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cuqui posted:

There are 12 “draftable” players that can play nose tackle in Green Bay’s defense:

-Jarran Reed/Alabama
-Vernon Butler/Louisiana Tech
-Kenny Clark/UCLA
-Austin Johnson/Penn State
-Andrew Billings/Baylor
-Nile Lawrence-Stample/Florida State
-D.J. Reader/Clemson
-Vincent Valentine/Nebraska
-Kyle Peko/Oregon State

The last three probably could play nose tackle in Green Bay’s defense, but would likely be a much better fit at the 5-technique:

-A’Shawn Robinson/Alabama
-Chris Jones/Mississippi
-Hassan Ridgeway/Texas

Of those players, the only one pretty much a guarantee to be off the board when Green Bay picks is Jarran Reed.

Another five (Vernon Butler, Kenny Clark, Austin Johnson, A’Shawn Robinson, Chris Jones) are extremely good bets to be off the board by their second round pick. So if the Packers don’t take one of these player in round one, the list is cut in half by the time the #57 pick is up.

Four of the remaining six (Nile Lawrence-Stample, D.J. Reader, Vincent Valentine, Kyle Peko) all carry late round grades.

If the Packers pass on nose tackle in round one, the only two options available in round two through five could be Andrew Billings (who also could be off the board at #57) or Hassan Ridgeway (and it’s questionable how well, or even if, he could be a 3-4 nose tackle).

Thompson may view Letroy Guion and Mike Pennel as the 1-2 nose tackles for the 2016 roster and if so he may ignore most all the players on this list (still could look at many of these players at 5-techniques). But if Thompson looks at Guion as a DE, then it’s a pretty decent bet that he takes one of these players in round one to play nose tackle because once it gets past the middle of round two the nose tackle position will be hard to fill.

I’d still guess Kenny Clark. His pass-rush upside will be a difference maker in Thompson’s eyes. Throw out B.J. Raji’s snap percentage at year’s end, because he was hobbled and missed some time. But at the beginning of the year Raji was playing lights out…couldn’t have played any better than he was playing And when going back and looking at those early games, even playing as well as he was playing, Raji only appeared in 53% of the defensive snaps in the first four games. Bottom line is that Thompson can draft run-stuffers, but over the course of the season even an elite run-stuffer is probably going to be off the field for half of the snaps if he’s playing for Dom Capers. So if Thompson drafts a run-stuffing player with limited pass-rush potential, he’s probably not going to do it in the early rounds. Clark has some pass-rush ability, flashed it in the PAC-12 and is still very young with the potential to show significant improvement. I’d guess Chris Jones would be #2 on the list primarily because of his workout numbers (and anybody who has paid attention the last 10 years knows that Thompson puts a heavy emphasis on workouts when drafting defense) and Vernon Butler would be #3. Personally I’d take Butler ahead of these players but I think Thompson would prefer Clark and Jones…they just have a better upside as pass-rushers. I thought for sure that Clark would make it to #27, but maybe not with McGinn listing him at #2 on the DT rankings.  The more and more I look at the board and the Packer's roster, the more and more it looks like Thompson will draft a defensive lineman in round one.  

My guess at this point would be Vernon Butler. He has more length than Clark, which TT has talked about getting longer in the front seven, and he's a good, penetrating NT/DT. 

I'd love it to be Leonard Floyd, but I don't think there's any way he slides that far. Shilique Calhoun may still be an option also, but he may lack the explosiveness TT wants in a first-round pick. 

A little birdy told me the Eagles drafting a QB at #2 is not going to happen.

Probably Tunsil....maybe Bosa or Ramsey. Tunsil is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Orlando Pace.

They floated the story about wanting a QB immediately plus then floated the "Sam Bradford wants to be traded" story.

They can't trade them as another team would need to take on that cap hit.

Eagles have $34 million guaranteed tied up in QB's already. It makes no sense to draft a QB this high unless you believe he is the 2nd coming of Aaron Rodgers.

Based on how things seem to be shaking out with, I'm guessing the top 2 guys available at 27 will be Eastern Kentucky DE Noah Spence and Indiana OT Jason Spriggs. Both makes sense for GB as developmental prospects with high upside at premier positions. Spence could be the steal of the draft based on his skill level vs. where he's likely to be drafted...the question is whether GB would be sold on his maturity? His upside as a pass rusher is Clay Matthews IMO, the sky is the limit for him. Spriggs seems a likely choice based on his athletic upside and his skill level as a pass protector, something GB likely values greatly as they are a pass first offense. The question is whether you're getting a potential All-Pro like Joe Staley or just an athletic specimen/mediocre player like Eric Fisher? Spriggs had a great week at the Senior Bowl, dominated the combine, and has the stats to back up the fact that his upside is closer to Joe Staley than Eric Fisher...he's my guess right now. 

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Why would they give up all that for Tunsil? They could stay put, keep the picks and grab Stanley, Decker or Conklin and even gain some picks. They have Lane Johnson already, and Jason Peters is still around for a bit. 

While ridiculous salary overkill, having Bradford for a year as their Jon Kitna and Daniels as the veteran backup afterwards makes the most sense. I like Ramsey a lot as well as Buckner, but I don't see them moving for one of those guys. 

It makes sense for Pederson to start fresh with "his" guy and build from there. 

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Hungry5 posted:

2x each week I run a Packers mock via Fanspeak using their big board. 1st draft is BPA, 2nd draft each week is BPA at a position of need for the Packers. I have been loading the full results of each draft into a SQL-DB that I'll use to compile my final consensus board the morning of Day 1.

Stay tuned.

For reference, I see OT as the #1 need for the Packers and have been drafting according to that perspective.

Final week. #consensus

Herschel posted:

My guess at this point would be Vernon Butler. He has more length than Clark, which TT has talked about getting longer in the front seven, and he's a good, penetrating NT/DT. 

I'd love it to be Leonard Floyd, but I don't think there's any way he slides that far. Shilique Calhoun may still be an option also, but he may lack the explosiveness TT wants in a first-round pick. 

Butler would be my pick at #27.  With McGinn listing Clark as the #2 DT I'm hoping he gets picked ahead of #27 so Thompson can't pick him.  Clark has those short little stubby arms (32 1/8), so if Thompson was serious about length then that is definitely a negative for Clark.

The latest consensus board I put together over the weekend had Calhoun #59.  There is a decent enough chance he'll be available at #57.

PackerJoe posted:
Herschel posted:

My guess at this point would be Vernon Butler. He has more length than Clark, which TT has talked about getting longer in the front seven, and he's a good, penetrating NT/DT. 

I'd love it to be Leonard Floyd, but I don't think there's any way he slides that far. Shilique Calhoun may still be an option also, but he may lack the explosiveness TT wants in a first-round pick. 

Butler would be my pick at #27.  With McGinn listing Clark as the #2 DT I'm hoping he gets picked ahead of #27 so Thompson can't pick him.  Clark has those short little stubby arms (32 1/8), so if Thompson was serious about length then that is definitely a negative for Clark.

The latest consensus board I put together over the weekend had Calhoun #59.  There is a decent enough chance he'll be available at #57.

Yeah, that's probably a better spot for Calhoun. To me, he's very similar to Nick Perry, probably a little more athletic but a bit less explosive. He's a guy I think TT would really like as a prospect. 

The more one watches video of defensive players in the SEC like Chris Jones, Nkemdichie, Leonard Floyd, Hargreaves, Deion Jones the more you are left with the sense that Derrick Henry is an absolute beast of a running back. 

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Perry put up a 4.56 40 (sub-1.6 10 yd) at 275 lbs...Calhoun put up a 4.8 at 20 lbs lighter. I definitely disagree he's a better athlete than Perry. The only guy to put up similar numbers to Perry is Emmanuel Ogbah who put up 4.56 (1.58 10 yd) at 275 lbs. That 10 yd split is critical IMO...pass rushers don't often run 40 yards, but they do run 10 yds pretty frequently and they need they quick get-off to beat NFL tackles. Round 1 and 2 are where you take those height/weight/speed football players and 3-5 is where you gamble on the underrated football players who play better/faster than they've worked out. 

cuqui posted:

Henry with Eddie Lacy, taken about 10 days ago.

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Eddy's feminine side is starting to bother me...I hope he can grow a pair for this next ...and hopefully last season with us. 

He's been ok...but I wouldn't pay him the big bucks...and more importantly...Ted aint gonna do that either.

oldschool posted:
cuqui posted:

Henry with Eddie Lacy, taken about 10 days ago.

Eddy's feminine side is starting to bother me...

I don't even wanna know how you think you know anything about that side... ffs.

oldschool posted:

Eddy's feminine side is starting to bother me...I hope he can grow a pair for this next ...and hopefully last season with us. 

He's been ok...but I wouldn't pay him the big bucks...and more importantly...Ted aint gonna do that either.

One of the story lines floating around is that the Saints were heavily in to the bidding for one of the QBs, which is part of what drove the price so high. If true, I would think that means they liked Goff and/or Wentz much more than Lynch or Cook but part of me thinks they may still pull the trigger on one of the latter guys at 12, which is a reach for either.

The one I question is Miami trading up for Elliott when they already traded back with the Eagles, moving them further away from their guy. 

Tdog posted:
oldschool posted:
cuqui posted:

Henry with Eddie Lacy, taken about 10 days ago.

Eddy's feminine side is starting to bother me...

I don't even wanna know how you think you know anything about that side... ffs.

Would Paul Hornung or Jim Taylor, or Ahman Green or John Kuhn ever allow themselves to have their picture taken looking like somebody's Prom date?

No...they wouldn't. No way...ever.

The body language is disturbing in that picture.

Eddy should be the "man"...he's an NFL player coming back to his Alma mater. 

It says everything you need to know about Eddy's demeanor...and it isn't a warrior you have there.

It's a prom queen with A cup man boobs...eats cheetos...sits on the couch playing video games all week...doesn't have a girl friend...plays fat...starting to get into the dog house yearly....made up excuses are  starting to pile up... ranging from groins to contact lenses. He's one of "those" guys. 

Yeah...he's been an ok 2 rd pick...that's all....no big deal to see him go.

There is obviously a lot more to Eddy Lacy than meets the eye...projecting a football player onto him is an exercise in delusion...at times he just doesn't show up. Sometimes he shows up...and more and more he doesn't.

We all heard this about him coming out of college. Eddy's a different kind of cat...yup...he sure is.

It's no big deal...but I'm not going to cry to see him go either. 

 

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