Official 2016 Packers Training Camp master thread

packmon posted:

titmfatied posted:

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Packers WR Ty Montgomery reveals severity of ankle surgery es.pn/2amvjPg

Montgomery said his surgery contained three parts: tight ropes inserted into his ligaments to hold them in place, a cartilage repair and -- perhaps most serious -- a microfracture procedure on his talus (a bone between the heel and fibula and tibia).

“I think there’s a stigma with a sprain,” Montgomery said. “But what I think a lot of people don’t understand is sprain means partial tear. And people forget I had the surgery in December.”

 

 

 

I don't like the sound of that at all...the whole incident seems rather bizarre now, acting like he might come back and then he ends up with the dreaded micro-fracture surgery?

WTF?

ChilliJon posted:

Two things wrong here. 

1. Favre had his own locker room.

2. The recliner's missing. 

3 - Missing the gumball machine filled with vicodin.

packmon posted

Montgomery said his surgery contained three parts: tight ropes inserted into his ligaments to hold them in place, a cartilage repair and -- perhaps most serious -- a microfracture procedure on his talus (a bone between the heel and fibula and tibia).

 

"Monty has an ankle, he will be day to day while we monitor the situation."   -MM 

With microfracture of talus, that is minimum 6-9 month recovery. Depends on healing and how cartilage regrows.

in the end I think it hurts his development as a player more than it hurts the Packers. still a disappointing situation for everyone. 

Hey.

We said we wouldn't take your land either.

I can only assume it was Hundley's ghost at practice.

I'm intrigued what Marquise Williams could do with more coaching. When we were there he was very up and down with his accuracy, but his passes had a lot of zip. He looked quick and is definitely a threat to run. Definitely has the tools IMO, but seemed raw. I was more impressed with him than Callahan FWIW.

I'm partial to Marquise Williams, but only b/c he saved me at QB on my college fantasy team last year.  Definitely has the athleticism, no idea how he is as a passer.  And he went to UNC, so you know he's smart.  

In combo. Lacy came up limping. He is walking off field now. Starks takes starter reps.

He's obviously too thin to take the pounding of a full NFL season.

Discouraging:

Thumbs down

On a night when rookie free agent Geronimo Allison continued to impress with his precise routes and soft hands, third-year pro Jeff Janis was digging himself deeper into a hole. Janis has not had a good start to camp and his opportunities seem to be shrinking. It’s a rare night when he gets so open that you actually notice it and when his hands fail him as they did Wednesday night, his prospects fade even further. Maybe Janis will turn it on in the games, which was sort of the case last year, but for someone in his third season he can’t keep having so many negative plays. The worst of his efforts was on a goal-line route in which Rodgers put the ball right into his arms. But as he went to the ground, he let the ball slip through his arms, negating what should have been a short touchdown catch. Janis wasn’t the only one dropping balls –Davante Adams had a bad one over the middle in the red zone – but at least Adams has been making plays. Janis just can’t seem to win enough routes in practice and is putting immense pressure on himself to be great in the games. His special teams play will make it hard to cut him, but if he can’t contribute as a receiver, the Packers are going to have a difficult choice to make.

Encouraging:

» TE Jared Cook (foot) and WR Ty Montgomery (ankle) were running full-speed routes as part of their rehab. LB Sam Barrington (ankle) was also doing cutting as part of his drills conducted on Clarke Hinkle Field. WR Jordy Nelson (knee) was doing foot drills on the side.

 

 

FLPACKER posted:

 

But as he went to the ground, he let the ball slip through his arms, negating what should have been a short touchdown catch. Janis wasn’t the only one dropping balls –Davante Adams had a bad one over the middle in the red zone  

Can't the Packers deflate the ball a bit to make it easier to catch?

I agree.  But the flip side is ARs ability to throw it.  It is AR who likes the over inflated balls. 

Neither player should be dropping passes. You would think Jordy, Cobb, Abby are locks to make the roster based on their veteran status and/or the fact that they've had good camps so far. I think they are willing to gamble on Abby's injury history because good Slot receivers don't grow on trees and his upside his high. You would think Monty makes it because he showed so much promise and they still need to find out what they have with him. So you have Adams, Janis, Allison, and Davis fighting for the last two spots. Davis has an edge because he has intriguing skills and is a mid-round draft pick which TT seems to covet, but he still needs to find a niche to lock down a spot. So really it's Adams, Janis, and Allison fighting for that last spot. My money is on Adams with Allison going to PS, but you never know. 

Will they keep Janis solely for STs? 

CUPackFan posted:

And he went to UNC, so you know he's smart.  

Good one!

AR must be throwing the ball wrong to Janis.

Brak posted:

CUPackFan posted:

And he went to UNC, so you know he's smart.  

 

...especially if he knew what major to take 

I know that we are supposed to have a "deep" WR group this year but I remain unconvinced. Dropped balls are a killer esp. in the Red Zone.  Janis! only make the team based on his ST abilities. I would not be too surprised to have both him and Adams getting cut. I would prefer that both get cut based on the drops. Move on to guys with potential for cryeye. These guys have shown that  they are not going to change for the better.

I wonder if Janis! can move to safety? He CAN tackle.

I don't see Adams getting cut

Yes, let's cut them both based on a week and a half of TC.

DH13 posted:

Yes, let's cut them both based on a week and a half of TC.

yes that and all of last year.  (NO PROGRESS)

Remember: With Goodson suspended there may be a four week opening for Special Teams specialist, which may be Janis!'s saving grace regardless.

Heck, THIS http://www.packersnews.com/sto...-receivers/88047278/  guy can catch and has potential.

Herschel posted:

Remember: With Goodson suspended there may be a four week opening for Special Teams specialist, which may be Janis!'s saving grace regardless.

And Janis! might be able to learn Goodsons spot on D as well. Who knows?

PackerPatrick posted:

DH13 posted:

Yes, let's cut them both based on a week and a half of TC.

yes that and all of last year.  (NO PROGRESS)

But not the year before that (Adams).

DH13 posted:

PackerPatrick posted:

DH13 posted:

Yes, let's cut them both based on a week and a half of TC.

yes that and all of last year.  (NO PROGRESS)

But not the year before that (Adams).

not a "Great Year" but ok, however he HAS regressed BIG time. Not a good sign.

Plus Janis was a beast on special teams last year.  You can't overlook that.  

That's true LL, Janis! was a demon on ST, but not as a WR. We have others that we are already keeping for that reason. Why waste a WR spot when we have others?

"You combine Janis' ability to run bad routes with Teddy Bridgewaters inaccuracy and it might be pure magic you madman" - Rick Spielman's mind

PackerPatrick posted:

I know that we are supposed to have a "deep" WR group this year but I remain unconvinced.

Not just this year, last year too.

Here are a few comments, quoted tweets, and thoughts on last year's WR, from the 2015 training camp thread.

PackerPatrick posted:

I wonder if Janis! can move to safety? He CAN tackle.

Right, because the Packers need safety help. 

Justin Harrell made the team for a few years over players who arguably deserved it more. Draft status plays a big part, this team has shown it will be very patient with high picks hoping to unlock their potential. My guess is Adams and Davis round out the top 6 with Allison on the PS and Janis sent packing. Hard to tell though, weird year at WR.  

PackerPatrick posted:

DH13 posted:

PackerPatrick posted:

DH13 posted:

Yes, let's cut them both based on a week and a half of TC.

yes that and all of last year.  (NO PROGRESS)

But not the year before that (Adams).

not a "Great Year" but ok, however he HAS regressed BIG time. Not a good sign.

There have been many more positive comments about Adams this TC than negative.  I'm still concerned about him but he's doing a lot better than Janis has, just going on TC reports.

Not to re-dredge a complete analysis of last year's problems on offense, but at WR, talent wasn't so much the problem as it was speed.  There was no deep threat, which allowed man coverage to work on Jones, Adams and Richards, and teams could run a single safety deep which allowed them to jam Cobb and stuff Lacy. It was all about lack of a deep threat.

Ted and Mike are not allowing that to happen again.  Jordy's back, Janis and Abby are moving up the depth chart, Jones is gone, Richards is slimmed down as is Lacy, Cook is on board, and they drafted Davis. They learned a hard lesson about the need for speed, and they are not letting last year happen again.  They even signed this guy Binford, who was a dance(!) major in college and his entire football experience consists of 1 year in the arena league, it appears almost solely on the basis of his 40 time, which they clocked at 4.3 and is rumored to be as low as 4.22.  They want speed options and this year there are several. We'll be fine.

Here's a link to Jordy Nelson's career stats.  Based on his first 3 years, he should have been cut. 

Give these young guys a chance to develop.

I like James Jones as much as the next guy, but at this point he could be covered by a linebacker, as Driver was his final year, due to a lack of speed. It's hard to get real separation when you're that slow because it also allows a defender a better chance to recover from a mistake.