I think the problem with that theory is that when all exceptional football instincts converge on one player at one moment like that, Janis! likely couldn't help but tackle himself or at the very least break up the pass.
This is probably why he looks so bad in practice/games. He can't get out of the way of his own football awesomeness.
Too bad they cancelled the Hall of Fame game. Once they saw him play they would have enshrined him on the spot.
All this hate just makes me want to root for the kid even more.
It will be like the Phat Eddie thread where OP got a lashing for suggesting Eddie should lose a few pounds. Then MM says Eddie should lose a few pounds and suddenly it's common knowledge and everyone concurs.
Reverses and bubble screens? Just because you are fast doesn't mean you have quick reaction. He can run straight down the field fast which is why he makes a good gunner. Not much thinking.
reverses
From what I've pieced together his speed actually isn't in the long format, outrunning guys. He apparently doesn't have THAT kind of top gear. It's in the shorter area bursts.
He gets downfield fast on punts. Haven't seen a quick burst in a short area. Jordy Nelson he ain't.
BrainDed posted:All this hate just makes me want to root for the kid even more.
It will be like the Phat Eddie thread where OP got a lashing for suggesting Eddie should lose a few pounds. Then MM says Eddie should lose a few pounds and suddenly it's common knowledge and everyone concurs.
He's a Packer, I think everyone here roots for him and hopes he succeeds. Every person here hopes he develops in to the next Jordy Nelson, but thus far he hasn't shown much other than he's good at Hail Mary's and ST coverage. Some here have built him up like he's the 2nd of 3rd best WR on the roster and that's just plain stupid.
PP didn't get a lashing, but his opinion was met with skepticism. Not by everyone either, there were many that thought he looked hefty. Victim cards don't work on X4.
Punt coverage is not a full on sprint down the field. I can speak from experience but you see it any time they isolate a gunner on tv. There is a lot of maneuvering and battling to get past the guy or 2 that are trying to bury you. On short area speed, I'm just relaying info. Not necessarily change of direction but acceleration.
I guess incessant self-promotion pays off.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/...ackersnews/88479554/
Should read "former x4 poster defenestrated due to victimhood". x4 not for pussies.
Good for him, glad he's made a career for himself. That said, it just shows how these reporters aren't any more experts than any of us. I've battled Nagler on Twitter a couple times after he said some really dumb things. He talked up Teddy Bridgewater like he was the next Russell Wilson and jumped on me when I questioned his size and how well he would hold up at the NFL level.
My two favorite responses to a Nagler post
Honestly I love his original post so much I want to take it behind a middle school and get it pregnant.
3 days before the playoff run. 32 days before a Super Bowl victory. And he calls Rodgers a choke artist. Even after going in to Philly and winning, he mocked them on here.
He should have this article tattooed to his freaking forehead.
And, there was even a chickenboy bitching about the lack of Marshawn Lynch in that thread. Man, it truly had it all. @Boris you are a jeenyus for saving that thread.
Grave Digger posted:Goode was a really good goode player...
Fedya!!!
cuqui posted:I guess incessant self-promotion pays off.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/...ackersnews/88479554/
Should read "former x4 poster defenestrated due to victimhood". x4 not for pussies.
Chad Reuter he is not.
thin skin is the hallmark of a good journalist
It's weird to me hearing Janis will be cut when he's described as a core special teamer by Zook less than a week ago. That goes a long, long way towards making the roster. If 87 18 17 and 88 are healthy none of the rest of the cast of characters at WR will see much time on offense. To me it seems obvious that Janis is the 5th guy on game day. He can still impact a game more than the other left overs with his ST play. We over value WRs every single training camp (including Janis) but the bottom feeders are easily replaced as WRs in the next draft class. Janis's skills on STs are not as easily replaced.
Abby took 18 snaps on STs last year.
Janis took 288 (3rd most on the team behind Jayrone and Banjo).
Janis' value last season appeared to be as a "gunner" on punt coverage. What it may come down to for him is if there is anyone else on the roster that can play that position as well & is more valuable in their primary position than he is at WR. In practice reports of ST periods, who fields kicks & how the kickers fare is typically all that is reported. I am interested to see if they "audition" anyone else at the position who appears to have a chance to make the roster. The position appears perfect for Janis, he can use his size & strength to get off the line-of-scrimmage, only needs straight-line speed, does not have to cut or "read" the defense.
Monty and Abby add value because they can also return kicks and punts. I think that helps both of them in terms of versatility. Their health is the question mark.
You would think Janis would get an extra look because he was so good last year as a gunner but it's clear to me as a WR he's not the 5th best guy.
Based on camp so far I'd rather have Allison on the field at WR than Janis!. Need all the weapons possible at the position given the QB and it's hard for me to justify his roster spot based on ST performance alone.
I agree both of those guys are ahead of Janis at receiver, however recent article indicated that Hyde was still #1 punt return guy, so I just don't know how many opportunities those guys would get, even at KO return, the majority are now not even returned. I could see them keeping Janis for STs, and as 6th receiver & putting Davis on PS.
We have kicked around the Janis issue around for some time now. I think that on another team he would make the team on special teams prowness alone. C. Patterson (sp?) is a good example as is Travis Jervey of players who teased with potential at their positions yet were best at special teams. This year I don't see the roster room for that type of player. Its a luxury we might not be able to afford.
As a WR Janis! is a poor-man's David Tyree.
Watch him have a big game tonight and heads will explode everywhere
I like what I have been hearing about Geronimo as a WR. But he like Davis offer little because of their body types for ST's work. Geronimo is reported to be lanky and not suited for gunner and Davis cannot get off press coverage as of yet in padded practices. Zook would probably love to keep Janis for his special teams play alone, but MM would prefer to have a LB or TE because he likes that body type. My guess is that MM's preferences win out this year.
Based on the struggles our WR group had when the injury bug hit, I would guess they are looking for guys who can first contribute at their position. Keeping an ST demon like Janis is a luxury when you're 4-5 deep with good receivers, but GB is facing a lot of uncertainty at the WR position. IF Allison or Davis or whoever show more as a WR then I think they are kept. IF Janis proves to be the equal or superior WR then his ST ability may give him the edge.
I think people are underestimating how much contributing on special teams is valued. What I think the coaching staff really needs to do is get Janis! more reps at longsnapper
Grave Digger posted:Based on the struggles our WR group had when the injury bug hit, I would guess they are looking for guys who can first contribute at their position. Keeping an ST demon like Janis is a luxury when you're 4-5 deep with good receivers, but GB is facing a lot of uncertainty at the WR position. IF Allison or Davis or whoever show more as a WR then I think they are kept. IF Janis proves to be the equal or superior WR then his ST ability may give him the edge.
Agree, I have not heard much about Davis' production and think that Allison might have already passed him on the depth chart. Abby has been used as a PR (behind Hyde) and Monty as KR so I see them as keepers because they are good at their drafted positions. I don't see Adams on ST as of late. Tonight's game will be tryouts for some special teams prospects. It also will gave WR's on the bubble to show their stuff. Randall and Rollens are the blockers on ST's so they play some already so that leaves the backups at other positions to play ST's. I see the new guy from Denver having a chance to shine as well as some other LB's on ST's. But I don't expect to have the Janis questions resolved until the last cut day.
Tschmack posted:Watch him have a big game tonight and heads will explode everywhere
It is pre-season, so maybe they practice the Hail-Mary formation?
oooo....now you did it....where's Old School? 
Looking for facts to support his opinion.
What? Any opinion from Old School becomes fact instantly.
I read that as "Any opinion from Old School becomes fart instantly"
For crying out loud. 83! has a long way to go at WR but he's a phenomenal gunner and most posters are forgetting that he performed well as the top KR (with no college experience returning kicks) after Monty went down last season. You can make a argument that GB's jump from 31 to 15 in special teams last year in Rick Gosselin's definitive ratings is due in large part to how well Janis! performed on STs.
I wouldn't use Montgomery as the KR right now, given the nature of his injury and the relatively short time he's had to recover. Let Janis! and if need be Micah Hyde be the KRs for the time being.
Rather I'd have Montgomery focus almost completely at WR and Jack-of-all-trades on offense as he offers something there that no one else on the roster does (given his build and power as a runner he can play the Cobb slot/RB role and bring attributes to the table that Randall doesn't have in terms of size and ability to break tackles. It also helps shield Cobb from overuse in the backfield where he's one good shot away from being injured -- he's too valuable to risk using in that role extensively if you have another option (88)).
Let's get Ty fully integrated into the offense. That gives you Jordy, Cobb, Monty and Adams (who will be in a position to feast on #3 corners or dime DBs, which is where he excelled as a rookie). Abbrederis isn't going to get cut given the way he's playing and the clear respect he's garnered from the offensive staff and 12.
Barring injury, Nelson, Cobb, Monty, Adams, Abby, and Janis! are my picks for the 53. Geronimo makes the PS, and Davis lands there too unless he gets traded or picked up in waivers after the final roster cut.
I read "any onion from oldschool becomes a fart instantly."
this is fun
anyone some cold tool becomes art instantly
El-Ka-Bong posted:I think people are underestimating how much contributing on special teams is valued. What I think the coaching staff really needs to do is get Janis! more reps at longsnapper
I read this as "more reps at beansnappers"
Ewwwwww....
FLPACKER posted:Janis' value last season appeared to be as a "gunner" on punt coverage. What it may come down to for him is if there is anyone else on the roster that can play that position as well & is more valuable in their primary position than he is at WR.
Appeared to be ? Janis was one of the best gunners in the league last year. He impacted games on several occasions.
MM has said that ST is 1/3 of the game ....I would think the coaches know they have one of the NFL's best Special Teams players already on the roster.
That said, really looking forward to seeing if Abby can keep it up(injuries), if Geronimo is the real deal, or whether Duhvante is more like James Jones than like Derrick Mayes....while were at it, or if Jordy can come back to what he was, or if Montgomery can overcome micro-fracture surgery long term.....Lot to be determined with the WR core.
Hungry5 posted:Tschmack posted:Watch him have a big game tonight and heads will explode everywhere
It is pre-season, so maybe they practice the Hail-Mary formation?
I hear the archdiocese has enshrined Janis the Dumb in Catholic Football Hall of Fame.
Where's Photoshop when I need it.
BrainDed posted:All this hate just makes me want to root for the kid even more.
It will be like the Phat Eddie thread where OP got a lashing for suggesting Eddie should lose a few pounds. Then MM says Eddie should lose a few pounds and suddenly it's common knowledge and everyone concurs.
Join the conspiracy.
There's not a single person here that doesn't see Janis' value as Jarrett Bush or truly wanting him to succeed. The trope that Janis is somehow being held back by anything than his own stupid gets tiring. Especially when it gets pedaled in the press and supported by yapper fan sites with a big fat dash of lunch pailer, white identity crap. Hence the piss pounding but you keep fightin' the man.
Why doesn't x4 have it's own Onionesque publication? SDPF could write a dating tips column.
Yep. In an ideal world Janis would stay on for his special teams ability and then learn to run a damned route the way Rodgers wants so that if they need him, he can play.
