Don't punt. Ever.
I wonder what the story is behind this picture.
So just maybe wishing a player to be better then he is doesn't really work:
Thumbs down
Coach Mike McCarthy’s seventh practice in pads since camp began 15 days ago contained 77 plays of 11-on-11 competition. It was a hot but almost windless night, and both Rodgers and his teammates on offense probably were as sharp as they have been all summer. He was rifling the ball all over the yard, and often times the passes were deadly accurate. Once again, however, WR Jeff Janis had almost no production. Of his six targeted throws, Janis’ lone catch was on a bubble screen. On his second-to-last attempt, Janis ran some type of hook on second-and-8 but CB Randall Jette shouldered inside of him and intercepted Joe Callahan’s pass. His last target came on third-and=3 to begin an all-out blitz period. Lined up wide left, Janis ran an inside-breaking route and the pass from Rodgers fell inconplete at the first-down marker. Rodgers didn’t appear to say anything, but his body language suggested that he wasn’t happy with the route. With Jordy Nelson still sidelined and Ty Montgomery sitting out until Tuesday night, Janis in some ways has squandered an opportunity to establish himself as a player to reckon with on offense.
I get blasted in the face
I get blasted for pointing out how people saw bad body language and quitting on routes from DuhVante...but we use body language to judge Janis.
Classic. 
And an old article to boot.
Janis never practices...he's our Max MgGee...just shows up Bigly in games.
And Roy "Wrong Way" Riegels ended up in the wrong endzone. Sometimes the route you run matters.
Edit: Jeff "Wrong Way" Janis has a certain ring to it...
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oldschool posted:I get blasted for pointing out how people saw bad body language and quitting on routes from DuhVante...but we use body language to judge Janis.
Classic.
And an old article to boot.
Janis never practices...he's our Max MgGee...just shows up Bigly in games.
your ability to read and comprehend seems challenged. it was AR's body language not JJ's in the article snippet. and you dishonor Max with that comment as JJ isn't fit to hold the proverbial old jock strap of Max's.
but keep beating that useless horse... I have serious doubts that JJ ends up on this year's roster.
"oldschool posted:
I get blasted for pointing out how people saw bad body language and quitting on routes from DuhVante...but we Bob McGinn (who wrote this observation) use body language to judge Janis.
Classic.
And an old article to boot.-Old? Try written last night, about Janis' now 7th practice where he's failed to show much of anything.
Janis never practices...he's our Max MgGee...just shows up Bigly in games. Welp, since this isn't 1964, and coaches and our HOF QB actually give a damn about how you perform in practice, he won't be showing up as a WR on the field unless a slew of WR's who practice and play better then him get hurt. Best case scenario once again is he continues to do well as a gunner on ST's, but even Chris Banjo may have something to say about that. In now 3 offseasons, Janis is showing to be who many thought he was. You're about the only one who can't see that.
We have to take these camp reports with a grain of salt. Every year there is a guy that media loves or hates and the coaches see it the opposite way.
Whatever happens, the guy isn't going to make or break our roster. If he makes it, he will be a core Special Teams player and if he see's the field at WR for more than a handful of plays per game, something went drastically wrong.
With the addition of Cook, we will see less 4 WR sets IMO. The weapons the offense will feature are Nelson, Cobb, Monty, Cook, Lacy and Starks. Cook may even get split out wide in a 4 WR formation taking even more PT from whomever is designated as #4.
IMO, the only time we will see the guys further down the depth chart is if they opt to play Monty or Cobb as a scat back on 3rd down. Then one of them will move into #4 with Cook playing as #3 split out.
I see Adams with more snaps than Monty, to start the season.
Dr._Bob posted:And Roy "Wrong Way" Riegels ended up in the wrong endzone. Sometimes the route you run matters.
Edit: Jeff "Wrong Way" Janis has a certain ring to it...
I dunno...the Wrong Way Feldman episode received the highest residuals for air play...and he apparently knocked off Ginger.
Some times the wrong way is the right way.
#unscoutedlooks
packerboi posted:"oldschool posted:
Janis never practices...he's our Max MgGee...just shows up Bigly in games. Welp, since this isn't 1964, and coaches and our HOF QB actually give a damn about how you perform in practice, he won't be showing up as a WR on the field unless a slew of WR's who practice and play better then him get hurt. Best case scenario once again is he continues to do well as a gunner on ST's, but even Chris Banjo may have something to say about that. In now 3 offseasons, Janis is showing to be who many thought he was. You're about the only one who can't see that.
Don't forget this is a guy who thinks all a WR needs to do is hope the QB throws a couple jump balls a game that he has to come down with. That would qualify him to take on a significant role in our O. No need to learn a route tree, how to read a D, how to set up a defender, how to get separation on a regular basis. He's got it all figured out.
ChilliJon posted:Why does it feel like the seasons going to end great?
Different vibe. Not desperation. Not superiority. Questioned. Feels like Herb Brooks "Not tonight" speech in Miracle.
They'll be in the mix again. As always. But this definitely feels different.
That was an amazing speech, but even better was his two sentence speech after they beat the Russians and they needed to beat Finland to get ANY metal.
After spending minutes looking each one in the eye, making contact. He tells them, "If you lose this tonight, you'll take it to your f###ing grave."
Turns around and walks toward the door. Stops.
"To your f###ing grave!"
The wrong way didn't hurt the Vikings on a day when Jim Marshall ran the wrong way. I know - only in Minnesota.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Marshall_(gridiron_football)
DH13 posted:Don't forget this is a guy who thinks all a WR needs to do is hope the QB throws a couple jump balls a game that he has to come down with. That would qualify him to take on a significant role in our O. No need to learn a route tree, how to read a D, how to set up a defender, how to get separation on a regular basis. He's got it all figured out.
Not to mention that routes are designed as a group, not just a bunch of individual routes. If Janis runs the wrong route it's not just a matter of whether the ball is thrown to the right place, but it can also impact how the defense plays the primary receiver. It must be maddening to the coach who designed the plays and the QB who runs them.
Tdog posted:oldschool posted:
Everybody is buying ityour ability to read and comprehend seems challenged. it was AR's body language not JJ's in the article snippet. and you dishonor Max with that comment as JJ isn't fit to hold the proverbial old jock strap of Max's.
but keep beating that useless horse... I have serious doubts that JJ ends up on this year's roster.
More projection of your own faults onto me...nobody is buying it.
Of course we are talking about Arods body language....THE POINT is that I was blasted for reporting on body language I saw on TV.
Multiple posters blasted me for doing it...saying that you can't do that.
But then the forum turns around and blasts Janis based on Arod's....get this....BODY LANGUAGE.
As for Max...great guy...great broadcaster...one of my all time Faves...But...I can't dishonor him more than he did himself.
I mean C'mon...hire somebody to clean your gutters Max...you're 80 years old.
You could fall on your freaking head!
It's speculation from McGinn, so it should be taken with a grain of salt just like your "observation" of Adams body language. Honestly though, Janis running the wrong route is more believable than Adams being a quitter despite him being praised his rookie year and sophomore offseason about his work ethic and attitude. Just to be clear also, Janis showed up in A big game, not big games plural...and by showing up, he caught two jump balls with most players have a 50/50 shot at anyway.
With the addition of Cook, we will see less 4 WR sets IMO.
Cook may even get split out wide in a 4 WR formation taking even more PT from whomever is designated as #4.
If Cook continues to practice like he did last night and he and Rodgers get their timing down well, that's a very good observation. Finley lined up quite a bit as a WR. In fact, if I remember right, that was one of his beefs in his contract negotiations as he wanted to be paid as a WR.
It's also no secret MM loves his TE sets as well. Rich Rod and Cook could be quite deadly once they get to the RZ. There are potential mismatch nightmares for opposing defenses should Cook, Rodgers and Rodgers really start clicking.
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I'm always here to help...don't understand all the hatred.
I'm just opinionated..
I love Janis in the face
The problem is that DuhVante can do none of those things either...and doesn't have speed or the athleticism of Janis.
It's fairly straight forward analysis right now.
It might not be Janis in the end...but it's NOT going to be DuhVante...not long term for a whole season anymore.
It will have to be somebody else.
It's not my love for Janis...it's my cold analysis of DuhVante that you guys can't figure out.
DuhVante doesn't have what it takes...you can write that down.
packerboi posted:So just maybe wishing a player to be better then he is doesn't really work:
Thumbs down
Coach Mike McCarthy’s seventh practice in pads since camp began 15 days ago contained 77 plays of 11-on-11 competition. It was a hot but almost windless night, and both Rodgers and his teammates on offense probably were as sharp as they have been all summer. He was rifling the ball all over the yard, and often times the passes were deadly accurate. Once again, however, WR Jeff Janis had almost no production. Of his six targeted throws, Janis’ lone catch was on a bubble screen. On his second-to-last attempt, Janis ran some type of hook on second-and-8 but CB Randall Jette shouldered inside of him and intercepted Joe Callahan’s pass. His last target came on third-and=3 to begin an all-out blitz period. Lined up wide left, Janis ran an inside-breaking route and the pass from Rodgers fell inconplete at the first-down marker. Rodgers didn’t appear to say anything, but his body language suggested that he wasn’t happy with the route. With Jordy Nelson still sidelined and Ty Montgomery sitting out until Tuesday night, Janis in some ways has squandered an opportunity to establish himself as a player to reckon with on offense.
Janis is just trying to show how good he is with adversity...by introducing adversity into his play. Old school and I are both really impressed with the way he deals with all those dropped balls and wrong routes.
Rob Demovsky ESPN Staff Writer
Sounds like Jared Cook, Ty Montgomery and Sam Barrington -- activated off PUP yesterday -- have a chance to play Friday against the Browns. Packers coach Mike McCarthy said their reps this week are "to get them ready to play Friday night."
DH13 posted:I see Adams with more snaps than Monty, to start the season.
Agreed. I think he was hurt all year and I surmise he may have felt he was asked to play early due to the Pack being so depleted and it impacted his attitude.
Furthermore, I think he is a nice complement to Nelson's speed and he needs a fast wide receiver to line up with.
Outside of health, he needs good hands. His route running can be special.
Leopards don't change their spots in the middle of the stream in my face
Quitting on a 3 step drop slant route against the Bears on Thanksgiving that led to an INT and a game losing TD is the problem with DuhVante.
MM angrily said..."well that was a basic route."
Maybe you are sloppy with your analysis or remembering what actually happened in that game?
Once a quitter...always a quitter.
Cancer....no good.
Leopards don't change their spots in the middle of the stream.
Maybe, not midstream, but when they are done peeing, watch out!!!
packerboi posted:With the addition of Cook, we will see less 4 WR sets IMO.
Cook may even get split out wide in a 4 WR formation taking even more PT from whomever is designated as #4.
If Cook continues to practice like he did last night and he and Rodgers get their timing down well, that's a very good observation.
That IS interesting and I wonder if it impacts the numbers at WR for the 53. Based on what I've read or heard so far, Davis isn't the flashy guy we saw in shells and has disappeared. He may be safe on the PS if he has that much development in front of him. No matter his speed a team isn't going to sign him to their 53 if he needs a ton of development. At this point it almost sounds like Allison would be a greater risk on the PS.
For me the telling part was a seasoned sports writer writing "some type of hook on second-and-eight." It's a backhanded "what the heck kind of route was that?" comment on Janis' route-running -- something we all know AR and MM have not been happy with in the past. By this time, Janis should have figured out the routes and how precisely to run them. If another guy can become as good a gunner -- Allison? Davis? Banjo? -- then Janis can pack his bags for Minnesota.
You can't make those kind of unsubstantiated assumptions though.
It could be a new play or scheme the writer isn't familiar with ...or a million other things.
The only thing we do know...for sure...is that Janis was able to out produce DuhVant'es whole season...in just one game against world class competition.
And that DuhVante doesn't run the route tree any better than Janis...so that is a red herring if I ever heard one.
It's basic logic that Janis or somebody else will replace DuhVante.
But some here are starting to beat a dead horse with all of this...enough is enough !
By the way...Allison is a ballerina...I don't think he has the metal for gunner.
It takes a mans man.
Can't help but be impressed by what Jared Abbrederis has done first two weeks. Having as good of a camp as anyone #PackersCamp
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Geronimo Allison beats Quinten Rollins in first red zone rep, and #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers finds him for TD. Allison having great camp.
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You mean like a ball peen hammer? Or did you mean mettle, but didn't know how to spell it?
He has no idea what he is talking about per usual. There is another UDFA that was a dance major in college, not Allison. Though "his last name is a girl's name, he must be a ballerina" is probably what happened upstairs.
I hope Janis gets cut. Sick of hearing about this guy's potential. Dumb mostly always comes out on top versus potential.
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Now it is time to dance.
Opps...honest mistake.
You are correct...it's the speedster guy they just signed that is the ballerina.
Binford...the guy with 4.27 speed.
Lombardi would have looooooooved this guy.
"I am the nutcracker"
Good read by the way.
I hope you aren't also for the "crooked" on in my face #ilikeitintheface
I hope you aren't also for the "Crooked" one...or it's really going to be a long,long disappointing year for you.
#Janis!
#landslide
I think the term is: BIG-LEAGUE not "bigly"
I still remember a x4 post of a route Adams ran. I think it was the best route I ever saw. He thoroughly undressed the db.
oldschool posted:....
By the way...Allison is a ballerina...I don't think he has the metal for gunner.
It takes a mans man.
Mettle.
Carry on.
Ooops. 3 hours late
phaedrus posted:I still remember a x4 post of a route Adams ran. I think it was the best route I ever saw. He thoroughly undressed the db.
Even better than the routes run by Fred Biletnikoff, Steve Largent, Sanjay Beach, Antonio Chatman, or Taco Wallace? Not in my world it wasn't. 
packerboi posted:With the addition of Cook, we will see less 4 WR sets IMO.
Cook may even get split out wide in a 4 WR formation taking even more PT from whomever is designated as #4.
If Cook continues to practice like he did last night and he and Rodgers get their timing down well, that's a very good observation. Finley lined up quite a bit as a WR. In fact, if I remember right, that was one of his beefs in his contract negotiations as he wanted to be paid as a WR.
It's also no secret MM loves his TE sets as well. Rich Rod and Cook could be quite deadly once they get to the RZ. There are potential mismatch nightmares for opposing defenses should Cook, Rodgers and Rodgers really start clicking.
Would love seeing a DB on Cook