I liked Gallup as well but Chark had that kind of wiggle-speed that reminded me of Robert Brooks (now there was a 3rd rounder) but according to the reports several teams had a man crush on Gallup so I suspect that he will go higher than GB is willing to pick!
Wide receiver is a position where they could dip in to free agency if they feel the need. The depth appears better there than other positions.
James Washington (OK State) and DaeSean Hamilton (Penn St.) are both guys who had strong weeks at the Senior Bowl and displayed the kind of route running ability that the Packers seem to covet. I'm guessing when all is said and done both guys will be ~2nd rounders.
Washington isn't very tall at 6'0", but has very long arms & good hands. Made a lot of big plays at Okla. St.
As an exercise I did a mock looking to add speed and athleticism above position emphasis and here's what came out of it:
14: R1P14 LB ROQUAN SMITH GEORGIA
45: R2P13 DL VITA VEA WASHINGTON
76: R3P12 TE MARK ANDREWS OKLAHOMA
101: R3P37 LB LORENZO CARTER GEORGIA
116: R4P14 TE TROY FUMAGALLI WISCONSIN
152: R5P13 WR ALLEN LAZARD IOWA STATE
173: R5P34 CB ISAAC YIADOM BOSTON COLLEGE
175: R5P36 EDGE KYLIE FITTS UTAH
177: R5P38 CB MICHAEL JOSEPH DUBUQUE
189: R6P12 OT COLE MADISON WASHINGTON STATE
232: R7P14 C SCOTT QUESSENBERRY UCLA
239: R7P21 LB LEON JACOBS WISCONSIN
I think I'd be cool with this. Smith and Vea would look really good in the front seven if Vea slid that far, though grabbing a better outside pass rush prospect would have been nice.
I "just missed" DJ Chark, Rashaad Penny and Hercules Mata'afa high in the 3rd, but Andrews fills a need also.
For prospects at OLB and corner, I like Carter, Fitts, Yiadom and Joseph but would have liked to "land" a higher-level prospect at each spot, but that'snot how things fell.
Madison is a good pass blocker and athletic, Quessenberry can be a legitimate backup to Linsley and should be able to play anywhere inside, if needed.
I had a couple of raw, athletic guys late I was looking at for fliers. I missed Kentavious Street but got Jacobs. He'd most likely be a practice squad guy in 2018.
I also missed Kurt Benkert in the mid rounds but I'm guessing we'll see Hundley and Callahan again next season anyway. :/
I've had many of your picks myself. Only one I'd change would be Smith in First round, There will be guys there that I like better
Two things...
If Roquan Smith is there at #14, you take him without any hesitation whatsoever. Dude is a straight up stud. I don't need to see combine numbers, measurable or any other BS that the path to the draft will show us. That kid can ball.
Did Vita Vea kill somebody that I'm unaware of? No way he falls that far....
Roquan Smith won’t be available at 14.
Pakrz posted:Two things...
If Roquan Smith is there at #14, you take him without any hesitation whatsoever. Dude is a straight up stud. I don't need to see combine numbers, measurable or any other BS that the path to the draft will show us. That kid can ball.
Did Vita Vea kill somebody that I'm unaware of? No way he falls that far....
With him there, I passed on Okoronkwo, Tarvarus McFadden and Donte Jackson. Obviously the list and algorithm aren't perfect, but I took the player I thought obviously best on board by a fair margin simply because it was a "whoa!" scenario.
Yeah, highly unlikely. The chance to pair Khalil Mack & Roquan Smith - I don't see how Gruden (Yeah, Gruden not McKenzie) passes him up for Oakland.
Unless the Niners win the flip & beat Oakland to him.
Pakrz posted:Two things...
If Roquan Smith is there at #14, you take him without any hesitation whatsoever. Dude is a straight up stud. I don't need to see combine numbers, measurable or any other BS that the path to the draft will show us. That kid can ball.
I like Edmunds better, different players, as the article points out. Don't know which would fit into Pettine's scheme better:
Pakrz:
Did Vita Vea kill somebody that I'm unaware of? No way he falls that far....
That made me chuckle!
FLPACKER posted:Pakrz posted:Two things...
If Roquan Smith is there at #14, you take him without any hesitation whatsoever. Dude is a straight up stud. I don't need to see combine numbers, measurable or any other BS that the path to the draft will show us. That kid can ball.
I like Edmunds better, different players, as the article points out. Don't know which would fit into Pettine's scheme better:
Dang, Edmunds is compelling. 6'5" 250 lbs and only 19 years old. Good stuff, thanks.
Pakrz posted:Two things...
If Roquan Smith is there at #14, you take him without any hesitation whatsoever. Dude is a straight up stud. I don't need to see combine numbers, measurable or any other BS that the path to the draft will show us. That kid can ball.
Did Vita Vea kill somebody that I'm unaware of? No way he falls that far....
I've seen mocks where Smith goes before us to the Bears and after us to the Cowboys.
phaedrus posted:FLPACKER posted:Pakrz posted:Two things...
If Roquan Smith is there at #14, you take him without any hesitation whatsoever. Dude is a straight up stud. I don't need to see combine numbers, measurable or any other BS that the path to the draft will show us. That kid can ball.
I like Edmunds better, different players, as the article points out. Don't know which would fit into Pettine's scheme better:
Dang, Edmunds is compelling. 6'5" 250 lbs and only 19 years old. Good stuff, thanks.
Most mocks I've seen have him off the board before we pick.
This mock has the Packers taking Edmunds.
YATittle posted:Pakrz posted:Two things...
If Roquan Smith is there at #14, you take him without any hesitation whatsoever. Dude is a straight up stud. I don't need to see combine numbers, measurable or any other BS that the path to the draft will show us. That kid can ball.
Did Vita Vea kill somebody that I'm unaware of? No way he falls that far....
I've seen mocks where Smith goes before us to the Bears and after us to the Cowboys.
I don't think Smith goes higher than 14 either. Many thought R. Foster would be gone in top 15 last year and he fell to 31. Too many "premium position" players that teams are going to jump on before they consider a MLB. Only caveat is if OAK takes him because of the help they need on D. But even they may feel they need a DB or edge rusher before they need another ILB.
That said, I don't know that BG would draft a ILB at that spot either considering the greater need at the edge. Depends if all the good lookin' edge guys are already gone.
phaedrus posted:This mock has the Packers taking Edmunds.
From Article:
Green Bay Packers: Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech 
The Packers have needed a stud inside linebacker for a long time. Ted Thompson was always reluctant to use a high resource on one, but perhaps the new general manager will approach the situation differently.
Compared to Anthony Barr by some, Tremaine Edmunds is a very athletic linebacker with great instincts
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2018.php#ixzz56XqzNWru
Barr is a bust.
Going to be a number of guys that will possibly be there at #14 other than the two LBers we've just discussed, who I would love to have:
Jackson - CB Iowa
Davenport - Edge Rusher - Tx-San Antonio
James - Safety - FSU
Vita - DT - Washington
Sutton - WR - SMU
Key - Edge Rusher - LSU (some "red flag" risks with him)
Compared to Anthony Barr by some,
So the Packers are going to draft a dirty a**hole. 
I love Arden Key. He looked like Vonn Miller in the Alabama game, but he is like Fred Taylor or a Ferrari you only get to drive him twice a month as he is in for repairs
Key has a lot of questions to answer, such as why he left the LSU team last Spring
DH13 posted:YATittle posted:Pakrz posted:Two things...
If Roquan Smith is there at #14, you take him without any hesitation whatsoever. Dude is a straight up stud. I don't need to see combine numbers, measurable or any other BS that the path to the draft will show us. That kid can ball.
Did Vita Vea kill somebody that I'm unaware of? No way he falls that far....
I've seen mocks where Smith goes before us to the Bears and after us to the Cowboys.
I don't think Smith goes higher than 14 either. Many thought R. Foster would be gone in top 15 last year and he fell to 31. Too many "premium position" players that teams are going to jump on before they consider a MLB. Only caveat is if OAK takes him because of the help they need on D. But even they may feel they need a DB or edge rusher before they need another ILB.
That said, I don't know that BG would draft a ILB at that spot either considering the greater need at the edge. Depends if all the good lookin' edge guys are already gone.
Smith is a good football player...but, we already have a player with similar measurables....Josh Jones. Now, you could argue that Jones might not have the instincts coming in that Smith might provide, but I think Jones is going to be that guy.
I think we need as many of "those guys" as we can get.
There are so many variables at work right now, calling draft picks is a fun, but futile exercise.
We need to see how our free agents are going to play out. Then, there's other teams' free agents who the Packers might sign.
All that will change the dynamics of how the draft plays out.
Plus, there's the combine coming up. That is only going to measure how good an athlete a player is, not necessarily how good a football player each one is, and hopefully reveal how healthy each player is.
We've all gone through this together, how many years now? Enjoy the ride...this is an exciting time, but try not to get caught up in the hype over these players....we just don't know, really.
Heck, even the pros make mistakes in the draft.
Look at the guys who have consistent, good tape against quality opponents....those are the guys we should be discussing as potential 1st rounders.
Packmeister posted:DH13 posted:YATittle posted:Pakrz posted:Two things...
If Roquan Smith is there at #14, you take him without any hesitation whatsoever. Dude is a straight up stud. I don't need to see combine numbers, measurable or any other BS that the path to the draft will show us. That kid can ball.
Did Vita Vea kill somebody that I'm unaware of? No way he falls that far....
I've seen mocks where Smith goes before us to the Bears and after us to the Cowboys.
I don't think Smith goes higher than 14 either. Many thought R. Foster would be gone in top 15 last year and he fell to 31. Too many "premium position" players that teams are going to jump on before they consider a MLB. Only caveat is if OAK takes him because of the help they need on D. But even they may feel they need a DB or edge rusher before they need another ILB.
That said, I don't know that BG would draft a ILB at that spot either considering the greater need at the edge. Depends if all the good lookin' edge guys are already gone.
Smith is a good football player...but, we already have a player with similar measurables....Josh Jones. Now, you could argue that Jones might not have the instincts coming in that Smith might provide, but I think Jones is going to be that guy.
I'd guess it's more likely Jones ends up replacing Burnett or Clinton-Dix.
Herschel posted:Packmeister posted:DH13 posted:YATittle posted:Pakrz posted:Two things...
If Roquan Smith is there at #14, you take him without any hesitation whatsoever. Dude is a straight up stud. I don't need to see combine numbers, measurable or any other BS that the path to the draft will show us. That kid can ball.
Did Vita Vea kill somebody that I'm unaware of? No way he falls that far....
I've seen mocks where Smith goes before us to the Bears and after us to the Cowboys.
I don't think Smith goes higher than 14 either. Many thought R. Foster would be gone in top 15 last year and he fell to 31. Too many "premium position" players that teams are going to jump on before they consider a MLB. Only caveat is if OAK takes him because of the help they need on D. But even they may feel they need a DB or edge rusher before they need another ILB.
That said, I don't know that BG would draft a ILB at that spot either considering the greater need at the edge. Depends if all the good lookin' edge guys are already gone.
Smith is a good football player...but, we already have a player with similar measurables....Josh Jones. Now, you could argue that Jones might not have the instincts coming in that Smith might provide, but I think Jones is going to be that guy.
I'd guess it's more likely Jones ends up replacing Burnett or Clinton-Dix.
It'll likely be Jones, he's bigger and unfortunately has no coverage skills
Look past his left hand.
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And look at his @BadgerFootball game film.
He's a can't-miss @NFLDraft prospect: https://t.co/i2bcwG4O6q pic.twitter.com/sKh0cXCbv4
I'd love to see him in Green Bay.
Hope Gutey can make it happen
He'll also likely go "late" enough they can grab a couple of promising defenders first.
So SI has this article ranking the neediest teams in the NFL. Packers come in at 25th but select 14th. So they should be able to fill many team needs drafting so much higher than their needs reflect. On the other hand our enimies to the west are 27th but draft #30. Not so good for them.
I find it hard to believe there are only seven teams with fewer needs than the Packers. Perhaps they're counting the need for a starting QB as bigger than other needs, but we've seen that having AR can only paper over so much.
The Packers probably have need at OL, TE, WR, LB, and backup QB at least. Who knows what the new DC can do with the secondary as it's currently constituted?
Brainwashed Boris posted:I'd love to see him in Green Bay.
Hope Gutey can make it happen
I've seen mocks where the Packers pick Gesecki from Penn State, passing on Fumagalli, who went later and also passing on WR D. J. Chark from LSU, who went off the board with the next pick after the Pack picked Gesecki. These mocks will drive you nuts, but they are fun to look at.
looking through some of the stuff on the interwebs, I would say our needs look like: cb,s,wr,te,lb/de - looking at the cb situation, it sucked last year, that includes the s play, I know there is an element of pass rush and that contributes, but our cb' s were less than marginal S position was the same. with burnett, house, likely leaving, this leaves some holes - not to mention the injuries. the first pick should be db/s as far as I can see. I love the lb/de choices they definitely are always hard to fill, but i see the secondary as deficient. imagine if we pair king with someone like lattimore on the saints, that would be awesome.
Fedya posted:I find it hard to believe there are only seven teams with fewer needs than the Packers. Perhaps they're counting the need for a starting QB as bigger than other needs, but we've seen that having AR can only paper over so much.
The Packers probably have need at OL, TE, WR, LB, and backup QB at least. Who knows what the new DC can do with the secondary as it's currently constituted?
I think with the new DC it is going to be very clear on whether it was coaching or lack of players on defense. I still stand by it was coaching and the difference will be seen really quickly.
As for the draft I will say that offensively they need OL and for sure a backup QB as you said. Maybe they can find a veteran backup somewhere but if they can't I don't think they can go in to another season with just Hundley as the backup. TE would be another glaring need this offense needs. They need to find someone to stretch the middle of the field more.
Defensively? well as far as I am concerned you could go with drafting for need, drafting BPA, or whatever philosophy you want to use but they are going to have to spend some draft picks on that side of the ball again. I honestly don't think I can list it out by position with the most need. Just get play makers and players who will play tough, physical and smart football.
They have a bunch of picks, and they'll need them. They need speed and athleticism. in order(ish):
CB: The cupboard is essentially bare. Kevin King shows promise, but after him it's all a question mark. Damarius Randall may be in the final year of his contract unless the Packers exercise their fifth-year option. He flashes potential but just as often shows his 10-cent head. If he were a tougher tackler he'd probably best be served moving back to safety. Will they commit that extra year to him? Quinten Rollins is in his final year and was a nice story, but I'd guess his best chance is a move to free safety as his lack of foot speed couldn't have been helped by any season-ending leg injury. Josh Hawkins is their hope to be the next Sam Shields-type find, but he hasn't shown even Shields' rookie level of consistency. Lenzy Pipkins, Herb Waters and Donatello Brown are roster chum at this point. Davon House is a desperation stop-gap and Dmitri Goodson is not an answer to any worthwhile question.
OLB: Perry and Matthews simply aren't durable enough. Matthews still makes plays but he needs to play fewer snaps and age is catching up, while Perry's had one good season. Perry will be round for 2018 but after this season it's anybody's guess. Gilbert and Biegel look like they may be solid rotational guys but getting a premier guy would make a heck of a difference. Kyler Fackrell is refuse. Ahmad Brooks would be fine to bring back as a spot-duty guy but he's not a snap eater.
TE: Kendricks is the only even half-way legitimate TE on the roster right now. DikPlod is a free agent and, in a perfect world, he's somewhere else next season. Like Canada. I could see the Packer spending two picks on the position by the end of the fourth round. Of course this would be with the understanding McCarthy would actually use TEs. Hopefully Joe Philbin's return yields positive results on that front.
ILB: Blake Martinez is the only guy there who should be on a contending team's roster. He's good enough to be a part-time plugger doing the dirty work on base and heavy packages, but he shouldn't be a nickle linebacker and in no way should he ever be on the field in dime. They need a dynamic guy next to him. What about Josh Jones? He's a safety and unless he suddenly changes drastically, that's where he should be. Jake Ryan's best comparison, at least speed-wise, is me. Joe Thomas is roster chum who flashes once in a great while but really shouldn't be plying meaningful defensive snaps on a good defense. It's telling that a position this weak is only fourth. Luckily, the jump to the next spot is pretty big.
WR: Adams is good, young and has a shiny new contract. There's no issue with him. Randall Cobb is a good slot guy and no issue there either. He's a versatile toy in the offense. His only danger is if Trevor Davis suddenly figures things out as a receiver, and I'd bet he's not losing any sleep over that scenario. After that, it's a crap shoot. Jordy appeared to have lost a step last year even before the Hundley debacle. If any of last year's preferred starters are gone, I'm thinking it's him. Geronimo Allison's best trait is his name, but he seemed to regress last season after getting suspended for stupidity. Michael Clark looks like a nice story, but so was Allison. Unless he has a unicorn in his backside he should be no higher than #5 on the depth chart. The wild card here is Montgomery, but if he comes back healthy, where is he at? Davis is a special teams guy. Both draft picks last year looked terrible. I will probably never understand spending a pick on Yancey. I think they need to add a guy who can play meaningful snaps at the position.
S*: This could be higher or lower. Burnett is a good, solid player, but he's beat up and may not be back. Clinton-Dix was infuriating last season and up-in-the-air. Brice and Evans showed enough promise to hope they'll be at least potentially solid backups. There could be an internal influx at the position. Any or all of Randall, Rollins and Jones could/should be in the mix this year.
RB*: Like Safety, this could be up or down. Where does Montgomery go? If they have a chance at a more consistent or dynamic back they should take him, regardless of round. That means if Saquon Barkley is there at 14 and he's highest in your board, you take him. If Rashaad Penny is in that situation in the third, you take him. Aaron Jones appears to be the best guy at the position, and it doesn't even appear particularly close. His head could be his undoing, though. Montgomery could be a good complementary back if he's healthy. Aaron Williams is a poor man's Tony Fisher/Brandon Jackson. He's the AJ Hawk on offense. DaVante Mays just looked sluggish in his opportunities last year.
DL: Clark and Daniels are quality starters while Dean Lowry is ideally a strong #4. Is Montravious Adams worth anything or is he just another Harrell/Worthy/Thornton waste of an early pick. Dial seemed to be an okay rotational guy but not ideal.
QB: They need a competent backup here. Unless McCarthy was somehow "hiding" Callahan, this needs to be addressed. I could even see a first-rounder if the right guy is there as he'd be locked in for five years. Otherwise look at a vet.
OL: My guess is they'll stay put here unless a guy really slides to their spot. LimpLinsley's new contract all but guarantees he's here long-term, Bakhtiari and Taylor are likely fixtures and I'm betting Bulaga is back for at least 2018. Jahri Evans played well last season and might be brought back for one more and they seem to like Patrick and Pankey well enough to maybe let them heir it out. As much as I like Isaiah Wynn, I'm doubting they're looking to spend a #2 on a guard. I also don't see them giving up on Spriggs and Murphy yet as giving Philbin a crack at them makes some sense.
Herschel posted:
WR: Adams is good, young and has a shiny new contract. There's no issue with him. ........ I think they need to add a guy who can play meaningful snaps at the position.
I think your right. Between what is wearing out (Jordy) and who hasn't shown they can do it with any consistency (the rest after Jordy), they need someone. For me the most NFL ready WR this year is Calvin Riley from Alabama. If he makes it to #14 (and more likely he won't) GB will get just the one chance to snag him. But he has all the physical tools, plus running great routes, getting separation, speed after the catch (if it is a foot race no one will catch him). Plus he shows he understands football. I think he would significantly contribute his rookie year and help fix a position in the process. But I understand the need on defense too.
Herschel posted:They have a bunch of picks, and they'll need them. They need speed and athleticism. in order(ish):
CB: The cupboard is essentially bare. Kevin King shows promise, but after him it's all a question mark. Damarius Randall may be in the final year of his contract unless the Packers exercise their fifth-year option. He flashes potential but just as often shows his 10-cent head. If he were a tougher tackler he'd probably best be served moving back to safety. Will they commit that extra year to him? Quinten Rollins is in his final year and was a nice story, but I'd guess his best chance is a move to free safety as his lack of foot speed couldn't have been helped by any season-ending leg injury. Josh Hawkins is their hope to be the next Sam Shields-type find, but he hasn't shown even Shields' rookie level of consistency. Lenzy Pipkins, Herb Waters and Donatello Brown are roster chum at this point. Davon House is a desperation stop-gap and Dmitri Goodson is not an answer to any worthwhile question.
OLB: Perry and Matthews simply aren't durable enough. Matthews still makes plays but he needs to play fewer snaps and age is catching up, while Perry's had one good season. Perry will be round for 2018 but after this season it's anybody's guess. Gilbert and Biegel look like they may be solid rotational guys but getting a premier guy would make a heck of a difference. Kyler Fackrell is refuse. Ahmad Brooks would be fine to bring back as a spot-duty guy but he's not a snap eater.
TE: Kendricks is the only even half-way legitimate TE on the roster right now. DikPlod is a free agent and, in a perfect world, he's somewhere else next season. Like Canada. I could see the Packer spending two picks on the position by the end of the fourth round. Of course this would be with the understanding McCarthy would actually use TEs. Hopefully Joe Philbin's return yields positive results on that front.
ILB: Blake Martinez is the only guy there who should be on a contending team's roster. He's good enough to be a part-time plugger doing the dirty work on base and heavy packages, but he shouldn't be a nickle linebacker and in no way should he ever be on the field in dime. They need a dynamic guy next to him. What about Josh Jones? He's a safety and unless he suddenly changes drastically, that's where he should be. Jake Ryan's best comparison, at least speed-wise, is me. Joe Thomas is roster chum who flashes once in a great while but really shouldn't be plying meaningful defensive snaps on a good defense. It's telling that a position this weak is only fourth. Luckily, the jump to the next spot is pretty big.
WR: Adams is good, young and has a shiny new contract. There's no issue with him. Randall Cobb is a good slot guy and no issue there either. He's a versatile toy in the offense. His only danger is if Trevor Davis suddenly figures things out as a receiver, and I'd bet he's not losing any sleep over that scenario. After that, it's a crap shoot. Jordy appeared to have lost a step last year even before the Hundley debacle. If any of last year's preferred starters are gone, I'm thinking it's him. Geronimo Allison's best trait is his name, but he seemed to regress last season after getting suspended for stupidity. Michael Clark looks like a nice story, but so was Allison. Unless he has a unicorn in his backside he should be no higher than #5 on the depth chart. The wild card here is Montgomery, but if he comes back healthy, where is he at? Davis is a special teams guy. Both draft picks last year looked terrible. I will probably never understand spending a pick on Yancey. I think they need to add a guy who can play meaningful snaps at the position.
S*: This could be higher or lower. Burnett is a good, solid player, but he's beat up and may not be back. Clinton-Dix was infuriating last season and up-in-the-air. Brice and Evans showed enough promise to hope they'll be at least potentially solid backups. There could be an internal influx at the position. Any or all of Randall, Rollins and Jones could/should be in the mix this year.
RB*: Like Safety, this could be up or down. Where does Montgomery go? If they have a chance at a more consistent or dynamic back they should take him, regardless of round. That means if Saquon Barkley is there at 14 and he's highest in your board, you take him. If Rashaad Penny is in that situation in the third, you take him. Aaron Jones appears to be the best guy at the position, and it doesn't even appear particularly close. His head could be his undoing, though. Montgomery could be a good complementary back if he's healthy. Aaron Williams is a poor man's Tony Fisher/Brandon Jackson. He's the AJ Hawk on offense. DaVante Mays just looked sluggish in his opportunities last year.
DL: Clark and Daniels are quality starters while Dean Lowry is ideally a strong #4. Is Montravious Adams worth anything or is he just another Harrell/Worthy/Thornton waste of an early pick. Dial seemed to be an okay rotational guy but not ideal.
QB: They need a competent backup here. Unless McCarthy was somehow "hiding" Callahan, this needs to be addressed. I could even see a first-rounder if the right guy is there as he'd be locked in for five years. Otherwise look at a vet.
OL: My guess is they'll stay put here unless a guy really slides to their spot. LimpLinsley's new contract all but guarantees he's here long-term, Bakhtiari and Taylor are likely fixtures and I'm betting Bulaga is back for at least 2018. Jahri Evans played well last season and might be brought back for one more and they seem to like Patrick and Pankey well enough to maybe let them heir it out. As much as I like Isaiah Wynn, I'm doubting they're looking to spend a #2 on a guard. I also don't see them giving up on Spriggs and Murphy yet as giving Philbin a crack at them makes some sense.
Pretty good breakdown of the fixin's that need to be fixed.
I still say the Packers should switch to a 4-3 D configuration. Strength of their defense is the d-linemen. Why not get more of them on the field and one less linebacker? Martinez could be a good one at MLB with two solid DT's in front of him.