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On the flip side MC......Sharpe and Lofton never played in a Super Bowl.  I just checked the top 25 WR of all time in yards and only 6 of them won rings - Rice, Wayne, Harrison, Holt, Bruce, and Bolden.  And only one played with a QB who is not in the HOF - Bolden was catching passes from Joe Flacco in 2013 but even that is weird, as I'd never consider Bolden a top 25 all-time WR.  

A great WR just does not lead to wins.  A bunch of good WRs combined with a great QB does.  I would never, ever draft a WR in the top 15.  Only WR in the last 20 years who I would have drafted that high was Larry Fitzgerald and that's because his intangibles and leadership dwarf any WR in recent memory.  He's also the only WR I've seen carry his team to playoff wins (playoffs in 2008 were unreal - 30 catches for 546 yards and 7 TDs in 4 games).  

All that said, #30 is actually a good spot to pick a WR if you think he's a sure fire starter.  I'd rather see a more valuable position if the right player falls but our history of picking the late 20's and early 30's is spotty.  I'd rather a sure fire starter at WR than reaching for a lesser player at a more valuable position like OT.  

Ian Rappaport has GB trading up with Seattle to take Notre Dame TE Cole Kmet. I would be disappointed with that pick honestly. I'm sure Kmet will be a good pro and by all accounts he plays hard and has a high football IQ in addition to having good size and RAS, but to me he's a safe pick in the mold of Kyle Rudolph (saw that comparison on Twitter). Would I take Kyle Rudolph in R1 (or trade up for him) seeing how his career played out? No. He's a safe, reliable target with a low ceiling, high floor. He was never Gronk or Kelce, but he put quality work out there for a long time in the pass and run game. Guys like Kittle and Kelce were huge pieces of their teams SB runs, same with Gronk...Rudolph has never been that and never will. So why would I take a player like that in R1? I'd rather gamble on an non-traditional, exciting high ceiling prospect Claypool if we want a TE. 

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First round TEs just don't have a great track record in the NFL.  It was discussed constantly on Denver sports radio after they took Noah Fant last year, that you just don't need to draft a TE in the first.  

Dang, just looked it up and it's worse than I thought.  Greg Olsen in 2007 is probably the only pro bowler.  The first round TE list since 2008: Keller, Pettigrew, Gresham, Eifert, Ebron, Howard, Engram, Njoku, Hurst, Fant and Hockenson.  

NFL teams are really working the media this year. Seems like a TON of disagreement from major draft commentators on prospects, I'm guessing based on what they're hearing from their NFL contacts. I keep seeing a recurring comment from a variety of media guys that says the media is WAAAAY off this year on their mock drafts and prospects who will go in R1. This is going to be a wild year. I think we need to take everything we think about some guys and just forget it...if GB jumps up 5 spots in R1 and takes a guy like TCU CB Jeff Gladney or stands pat and takes Wyoming LB Logan Wilson it's probably because the internet draft group think was completely out of wack on their evals.

There are a few things I know though that might point to a GB pick: Gute loves to jump around, their team needs are obvious, they haven't signed a CB yet despite the need meaning they're waiting to see what they will get, they haven't signed a DL yet despite the need, and they've done a ton of research on OT's it seems. I think, in terms of R1, those are the 3 positions they will be focused on and move to grab someone they want. R2 is where the WR comes IMO, that's a classic Ted/Wolf move.

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Michigan WR Donovan Peoples-Jones destined for the Green Bay Packers

“As a rookie I think he immediately upgrades the punt return game,” Westendorf said. “I didn’t talk about that earlier, but that’s something that Peoples-Jones was very good at in college. It really gives you a glimpse into what he could be with the ball in his hands as well. With all due respect to Tyler Ervin, he was a scrap heap pickup who is easily upgradeable. As a receiver it might take some time but he did do some nice things at Michigan on some of those forced touch type plays. Jet Sweeps, Bubble screens etc. He could grow into a more nuanced route runner as the season progresses, but I think his impact as a year one player would be a smaller one than what I think some fans are hoping for. Long-term, he’s a boom or bust player. He has all the tools and the athleticism to become a wide receiver one.”

He certainly would seem to be a boom/bust prospect. I could see it easily going south if his work ethic and football IQ aren't up to Rodgers standards. On the flip side we could get a monster steal in R3 if he improves the nuance in his game.

Chongo posted:

Interesting read from our pal Mike Wadney...yeah, he's a tool but he is often correct in his assessments (and will not be shy about letting you know when he is)

I followed him on the twit last season and yeah, he's a lot more negative than positive but also pretty accurate with the negative.  I keep wanting to tell him to quit pissing and moaning about every move and try to balance his takes but he usually ends up having a point.  Not that he doesn't miss sometimes but everybody does.  I'll keep reading his takes with much of my own chagrin.

Grave Digger posted:

Michigan WR Donovan Peoples-Jones destined for the Green Bay Packers

“As a rookie I think he immediately upgrades the punt return game,” Westendorf said. “I didn’t talk about that earlier, but that’s something that Peoples-Jones was very good at in college. It really gives you a glimpse into what he could be with the ball in his hands as well. With all due respect to Tyler Ervin, he was a scrap heap pickup who is easily upgradeable. As a receiver it might take some time but he did do some nice things at Michigan on some of those forced touch type plays. Jet Sweeps, Bubble screens etc. He could grow into a more nuanced route runner as the season progresses, but I think his impact as a year one player would be a smaller one than what I think some fans are hoping for. Long-term, he’s a boom or bust player. He has all the tools and the athleticism to become a wide receiver one.”

He certainly would seem to be a boom/bust prospect. I could see it easily going south if his work ethic and football IQ aren't up to Rodgers standards. On the flip side we could get a monster steal in R3 if he improves the nuance in his game.

PFF rates him in the 5th round. CHTV has him as their #11, behind Hamler, which places him anywhere from 2-4. As their primary draft pick at WR, I would be disappointed. IMO, he should have stayed for his senior year, where he could have been a top pick in next years' draft.

He has talent, but with guys like ESB and MVS already on the roster, he may be redundant.

My latest version on Fanspeak.  I've geeked out and completed dozens of mocks - this is likely my favorite one I've done.

30: R1P30 LB PATRICK QUEEN LSU

62: R2P30 DL AJ EPENESA IOWA

94: R3P30 WR DEVIN DUVERNAY TEXAS

136: R4P30 C TYLER BIADASZ WISCONSIN

175: R5P29 OT JACK DRISCOLL AUBURN

192: R6P13 CB LAMAR JACKSON NEBRASKA

208: R6P29 LB DAVION TAYLOR COLORADO

209: R6P30 TE CHARLIE TAUMOEPEAU PORTLAND STATE

236: R7P22 S JOSH METELLUS MICHIGAN

242: R7P28 G YASIR DURANT MISSOURI

Koopla Krash posted:

My latest version on Fanspeak.  I've geeked out and completed dozens of mocks - this is likely my favorite one I've done.

30: R1P30 LB PATRICK QUEEN LSU

62: R2P30 DL AJ EPENESA IOWA

94: R3P30 WR DEVIN DUVERNAY TEXAS

136: R4P30 C TYLER BIADASZ WISCONSIN

175: R5P29 OT JACK DRISCOLL AUBURN

192: R6P13 CB LAMAR JACKSON NEBRASKA

208: R6P29 LB DAVION TAYLOR COLORADO

209: R6P30 TE CHARLIE TAUMOEPEAU PORTLAND STATE

236: R7P22 S JOSH METELLUS MICHIGAN

242: R7P28 G YASIR DURANT MISSOURI

That's a pretty good draft.

Koopla Krash posted:

My latest version on Fanspeak.  I've geeked out and completed dozens of mocks - this is likely my favorite one I've done.

30: R1P30 LB PATRICK QUEEN LSU

62: R2P30 DL AJ EPENESA IOWA

94: R3P30 WR DEVIN DUVERNAY TEXAS

136: R4P30 C TYLER BIADASZ WISCONSIN

175: R5P29 OT JACK DRISCOLL AUBURN

192: R6P13 CB LAMAR JACKSON NEBRASKA

208: R6P29 LB DAVION TAYLOR COLORADO

209: R6P30 TE CHARLIE TAUMOEPEAU PORTLAND STATE

236: R7P22 S JOSH METELLUS MICHIGAN

242: R7P28 G YASIR DURANT MISSOURI

That’s a REALLY good draft. 

Did Fanspeak for the first time.  Could I call this one in and we can skip all the rest?

30: OT JOSH JONES HOUSTON
62: WR CHASE CLAYPOOL NOTRE DAME
94: LB WILLIE GAY JR. MISSISSIPPI STATE
136: RB ANTONIO GIBSON MEMPHIS
175: LB EVAN WEAVER CAL
192: CB LAVERT HILL MICHIGAN
208: TE JACOB BREELAND OREGON
209: EDGE TREVON HILL MIAMI
236: DL ROBERT WINDSOR PENN STATE
242: S SHYHEIM CARTER ALABAMA
@AtTheMurph posted:
30: OT EZRA CLEVELAND BOISE STATE
 
62: LB PATRICK QUEEN LSU
 
94: TE COLE KMET NOTRE DAME
 
136:CESAR RUIZ MICHIGAN
 
175: WR DENZEL MIMS  BAYLOR
 
192: DL DAVON HAMILTON OHIO STATE
 
208: WR TYLER VAUGHNS USC
 
209: WR RICO BUSSEY JR. NORTH TEXAS
 
236: LB LOGAN WILSON WYOMING
 
242: WR JAMES PROCHE SMU

Is this meant to be serious?

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