The funny thing is this narrative that WRs are the difference winning a SB or not. Try good D. Most SB winning teams won’t get there without it.
Rams don’t win it this year without Donald and that defense.
Greatest Show on Turf lol. Only year they won it was due to the D. Vikings 1998 team couldn’t get it done. Know why? Defense was mediocre.
@Johnny Z posted:There is no substantive reason to draft WRs over 6' tall. They add nothing unless they have heart and guile and quickness around the body, and the vast majority do not have it. They come in anointed perfect WR body prima donnas, and they are usually mediocre at a thing called team: Randy Moss, etc. Very few rings.
Boyd Dowler would disagree with you.
Super Bowls are team wins, not individual performance wins.
They're normally team wins, but also individual wins when we want to say how evil Favre or Rodgers are and that even someone like Trent Dilfer can win a Super Bowl.
There are a couple of receivers I just don't like as first-round picks who've been mentioned there a lot: Jahan Dotson and Christian Watson.
I just don't get Dotson. He's fast, he's quick, he goes over the middle, good hands, it just seems he doesn't jet out of tight quarters like he should. A clean break on a slant, sure, but it doesn't seem like he makes guys miss like he should. Maybe I'm missing something, he seems reliable, he just seems like his big plays are predicated on getting him the ball in clean space. Contrast with Chris Olave and Olave seems like a smaller guy who can navigate the wash, for example. Dotson's not a guy I'd want to spend a first on.
Watson scares me as a receiver. He's big, super athletic and will block, but his hands don't seem natural at all to me, I don't think he tracks the ball well and his routes seem all over the place (though being 6'4" doesn't help in cutting, so this is more minor). With a QB who can - and will - spot throw to a deep corner over your outside shoulder it seems not a great combination. Round three or four? Yeah, worth the shot but I just don't see him as a first- or even second-round value in Green Bay.
This guy has watson 6th best recever and dotson 8th
@ammo posted:Super Bowls are team wins, not individual performance wins. That explains why Favre and Rodgers only have one each. Maybe if they had a few taller WR they each would have won a couple more. It couldn't have hurt.
Like the taller WRs on this list? Defense wins championships, not taller WRs.
I'm sorry none of you are smart enough to get me.
@Pikes Peak posted:That’s tall in parts of Central Africa
Goalline:
Pikes Peak wrote "Central Africa", not "Central America".
They all seem pretty tall
Watson 6'4
London 6'4
Pickens 6'3
Burks 6'2
Williams 6'2
Pierce 6'2
Dotson 6'1
Olave 6'0
Wilson 6'0
Also, the average human has less that two arms
I’m sad!😔
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Also, the average human has less that two arms
BuT the mode and median are both 2.0
@justanotherpackerfan posted:BuT the mode and median are both 2.0
He knows!
@Johnny Z posted:Heart and guile and quickness around the body are the dominate WR attributes, and they have no clue how to evaluate them. It's easy to catch the football against average defenses. The tape often lies. It's hard to make clutch plays against elite defenses. Guys who have been great at it: Julian Edelman, an NFL evaluation flunky if there ever was one. 3 Super Bowl rings. They had no clue it was in him. What was in him? Heart and guile, sneaky as hell, and quickness.
Catch radius? Complete nonsense. Contested catches? Complete nonsense. Size mismatch? Complete nonsense. Breaking tackles? Complete nonsense. NFL teams keep deceiving themselves with that garbage.
The teams that have largely ignored the big receiver gestalt in this century: New England Patriots; Pittsburg Steelers; Kansas City Chiefs; Seattle Seahawks. The most hated WR bodies in the NFL and they have tiny WR rings galore.
Would the Rams have won without Odell Beckham? Doubt it. Would the Broncos have won without Emanuel Sanders? Doubt it. Would the Ravens have won without Brandon Stokley? Doubt it. Would the Packers have won without Greg Jennings? Doubt it. Very few Super Bowls since 2000 have been outright won by team stocked with WRs 6'1" and over.
The point is to win Super Bowls.
Greatest Show on Turf? Merely 6'.
There is no substantive reason to draft WRs over 6' tall. They add nothing unless they have heart and guile and quickness around the body, and the vast majority do not have it. They come in anointed perfect WR body prima donnas, and they are usually mediocre at a thing called team: Randy Moss, etc. Very few rings.
Are you being for real? Dude, you crack me up.
@RochNyFan posted:Geez, I'm 6'3. Thought we were friends? Lol.
Well, I remember a song from the 70’s that short people have no reason to live, lol. It was a popular song. No way that sees the light of day these days. Or Blazing Saddles, or a whole bunch of stuff from the 70’s.
@Fedya posted:Last I checked, Guatemala isn't part of Central Africa.
There’s a Central Africa?
I beg to differ.
I have a theory that Hank and Goalline are the same person
We are. He’s my other half.
@Chongo posted:For his sake, I hope you're the bottom half.
ie - catcher?
Latest CBS 3 round draft, no trades.
#22 Chris Olave WR
#28 Nakobe Dean LB
#53 George Pickens WR
#59 Trey McBride TE
#92 Ed Ingram OG
I've looked at 3 different CBS mocks and each one has the Packers taking different guys. I guess if you throw enough shit on the wall something will stick.
@Herschel posted:There are a couple of receivers I just don't like as first-round picks who've been mentioned there a lot: Jahan Dotson and Christian Watson.
Honestly the only WR's I would put in the 1st Round are Wilson and Williams (even with the injury). Probably neither make it to the Pack, but when I see a guy like Olave that everyone is clamoring over I just see another Lazard-type possession receiver.
Wilson and Williams bring talent that we simply don't have at WR. I think 1st rounders need to bring something special to be considered 1st rounders (at any position). Outside of those two I don't see anything special about any of the other WR's that warrant them being taken over some other position with similar special abilities.
I guess I don’t see much if any comparison w/Lazard and Olave other than they both play wideout.
They are different players in terms of size and speed and playing style. Lazard does most of his damage in the middle of the field whereas Olave is more of a downfield threat.
Olave is also a legit high 4.3 low 4.4 guy. So yeah, he adds a receiving element they lost when MVS bailed for KC.
Wilson is a better prospect because I think he plays a bit more physical and tends to fight more through contact.
Ideally, I’d trade up to ensure I get both of them.
I want the Packers to draft in the First Round (if available) a WR(s) that has two traits: great hands and great route running/no the playbook.
If they draft a WR that doesn’t have both of those traits: that guy isn’t gonna get playing time and/or AR doesn’t trust to sling the ball to. And if that’s the case, that First Rounder is worthless in what might be AR’s final season(s).
Size, speed, blocking, YAC doesn’t matter too much if AR doesn’t throw him the ball.
Olave reminds me of a faster Greg Jennings. He runs good routes, has that great cutting ability, good footwork, but not a banger as he's kind of small.
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