Official 2022 Draft Thread

@Chongo posted:

Packers need a TE...but I am not so sure they will take one.

It's not a great year for TE in terms of impact talent...but there is a good collection of potential.

Trey McBride is probably the most NFL ready...he's probably the closest skillset wise to Kittle...although not quite as good of a blocker.

After that there is a sharp drop off to Ruckert, Dulcich and Kolar...Dulcich is probably the best athlete of the 3, Kolar probably has the best chance to be successful.

Jelani Woods is the most intriguing prospect because he tested better than any TE in combine history...but he's 6'7...some say that may be too tall...although it didn't seem to be an issue for Marcedes Lewis in his prime. I'm not sure he fits with what the Packers do.

My favorite is Chig Okonkwo from Maryland...I believe he's a more athletic version of Deguara and could be special in this offense...but given they have Deguara and have seen "flashes" I am not sure they use a pick on him...because that means you are probably cutting Josiah soon.

Wydermyer from TAMU has really been a disappointment...she underwhelmed at both the combine and pro day...ran a 40 north of 5 seconds...he may not even get drafted now. A month ago, I thought he might be the 2nd TE taken off the board.

I picked Kolar at TE because he fits the Packers mold for a TE. A hard blocking, receiving TE. Okonkwo is a versatile player, too. He can line up at FB and TE, much like what Deguara does now.

IMHO, we need a guy who can to threaten the seam in cover 2, which is more and more prevalent in the NFL. I think our offense wasn't quite as good last year without Tonyan. Not a coincidence that the offense was really good when Jared Cook was here, and healthy. For those type of guys I think the threshold for speed is a sub 4.70 forty.

The thing I like about Kolar and Woods is they are tall enough to create a mismatch. 6'4" and under doesn't have that angle.

Kittle's 6'4" but ran faster than any TE this year outside Okonkwo and played in a a pro style offense coming out. All the other top TE's are at least 6'5": Kelce, Gronk, Ertz, Waller, Pitts, Andrews, Gesicki, Henry, Logan Thomas, and Jared Cook.

I don't like Karlaftis in the first round.  Same with Jahan Dotson (no earlier than a late 3rd). 

Treylon Burks @ 22 and Devin Lloyd @ 28.
WR and LB in Rd1. Things change.

22. Kenyon Green  IOL, Texas AM.

Lot of people comparing him to Elton Jenkins....we'll see

28.  David Ojabo OLB, Michigan

We've got the players in front of him to give him the time to heal.  He doesn't get hurt,  he's not here.

53.  Christian Watson  WR, North Dakota

59.   George Pickens  WR,  Georgia

What better way to replace one stud 2nd rounder than with  2 stud 2nd rounders?

92.  Phidarian Mathis  IDL, Alafrickinbama

Mathis  Slayer  Clark  DL of the future

132.  Chigoziem Okonkwo. TE, Maryland

Never want to have to type that again, and kind of  similar to Deguara, but we need Tight ends and Henry took his to Ukraine.

140. Dare Rosenthal. OT,  Kentucky

Maybe a round early,  but this kid has all the  physical abilities and we`ve got the coach and the time  to teach him the rest.

171.  Jack Jones.  CB, Arizona  State

Slot CB with tons of ability.  A little short and some dumdum in the past, but worth a  5th.

228.  Ellis  Brooks.   LB Penn State

Special teams pick.  (And no, not from Penn, and not from that special  team)

249.  Ty Chandler.  RB North Carolina

Returns kicks, catches the ball out of the backfield.

@ChilliJon posted:

Treylon Burks @ 22 and Devin Lloyd @ 28.
WR and LB in Rd1. Things change.

Packers don't value LB highly in the draft...and their track record the last 10-12 years has proven that. Our best LB after Desmond Bish has been Campbell and we got him via FA.

I could see them taking OLB Troy Andersen from Montana State because he could actually be turned into an edge player...freak aflete

@D J posted:

More and more I am leaning towards building a top 3 defense. He would be a great addition.

Along those lines, I can’t think of any position we don’t need to bolster.  I’m hoping for a WR and an edge rusher in the first round, but BPA is where it’s at.

@pkr_north posted:

Starting to think more about staying put and taking Pickens now - guy looks like a freaking gazelle out there catches everything and is a big target

That’s what I thought until someone here mentioned his history of injuries, now I’m not so sure, if true.

@Herschel posted:

One thing that still makes me shake my head is the idea of Jacksonville taking Hutchinson #1. They're running a 3-4 concept and have taken OLBs in the first round  two of the last three years. Yeah, Josh Allen is the established stud, but they have K'Lavon Chaisson, Jordan Smith and Arden Key signed a one-year deal. A big part of me feels it's all bullshit to try and get an extra pick from Detroit. I really think they want to trade out of #1 in a big way and maybe take Hamilton if Walker Little is ready, or one of the OTs if he's not or to pair with him and move Robinson inside.

I hear ya, but that team can use anything but a QB.  They’re almost like Houston just being void of talent.

@Chongo posted:

Packers don't value LB highly in the draft...and their track record the last 10-12 years has proven that. Our best LB after Desmond Bish has been Campbell and we got him via FA.

I could see them taking OLB Troy Andersen from Montana State because he could actually be turned into an edge player...freak aflete

AJ Hawk was number five overall.  That LB was valued way too highly.   Maybe he ruined them

@Chongo posted:

Tae's concerns were speed (Treylon Burks ran faster at combine) and level of competition in college.

Gutey's job is to assess risks and draft accordingly...

Jameson Williams had an ACL injury, but they are fairly common these days, and while he probably wouldn't be ready this season, but he just turned 21, is 6'2 and pre-injury was clocked anywhere from 4.27 to 4.32 when in college. IF he falls to 22, I hope the Packers take the risk because I think he's going to be a game changer once he's fully healed.

Guys like Megatron and Julio Jones who are can't miss impact guys from day one are rare.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind the Packers taking Watson at 22...level of competition will be the knock, but he's going to be special I think.

The thing I can’t figure out, is if Williams is so good, why couldn’t he crack the starting lineup?

@Harry Manback posted:

I hear ya, but that team can use anything but a QB.  They’re almost like Houston just being void of talent.

If Jacksonville is wise, they'll beef up their O-Line and get some weapons for Trevor Lawrence.

Jahan Dotson - best WR in the draft.

@Iowacheese posted:

AJ Hawk was number five overall.  That LB was valued way too highly.   Maybe he ruined them

That wasn't a particularly good draft overall...lots of first round busts.

I can't think of too many LB taken in the top 10 where people could say they are a generational pick. Maybe Urlacher is the only one.

@Packmeister posted:

If Jacksonville is wise, they'll beef up their O-Line and get some weapons for Trevor Lawrence.

Always wise when you’re a team in rebuilding mode.  Get all the best OL and DL you can.  Of course QB when you think you have a shot at your guy.

@Johnny Z posted:

Jahan Dotson - best WR in the draft.

Sorry JZ, if you were serious.  But he’s far from the best WR in the draft, IMVHO.  If we pick him, I hope I’m wrong, which is a high probability.  It’s fun right now to speculate though.  My feeling is, after we draft, we feel a little like Christmas.  We either think we got too many socks and underwear, or we think we got enough of the things we really want.  Most of the time, socks and underwear were the wise choice looking back.  The fun this time off the year is sending in our list and hoping Santa brings us what we want.

@Harry Manback posted:

The thing I can’t figure out, is if Williams is so good, why couldn’t he crack the starting lineup?

Sometimes guys make jumps, especially in college.  He didn't have stiffs in front of him.  Sometimes a guy just needs more opportunities.  I don't think it matters.  You watch his tape vs SEC defenses and he's pretty pretty pretty good.  Some reports are he'll be ready for TC.

I'd take him if he fell to GB and thought you had a good shot at another more game ready WR on day 2.  But that's a big crystal ball decision.

@Packmeister posted:

If Jacksonville is wise, they'll beef up their O-Line and get some weapons for Trevor Lawrence.

Pedersen has a lot of work to do with Lawrence. He showed nothing last season.

@DH13 posted:

Sometimes guys make jumps, especially in college.  He didn't have stiffs in front of him.  Sometimes a guy just needs more opportunities.  I don't think it matters.  You watch his tape vs SEC defenses and he's pretty pretty pretty good.  Some reports are he'll be ready for TC.

I'd take him if he fell to GB and thought you had a good shot at another more game ready WR on day 2.  But that's a big crystal ball decision.

I guess, that’s going to take a big balls decision if they pick him.  I doubt he’ll Be ready for TC, but this isn’t his first ACL either if I’m to believe what some here have said.  I’m really leery about using high draft picks with high injury risks no matter what the ceiling might be.  The draft is a crapshoot anyway, why take any additional risk with a high draft pick?  That’s why they pay BG the big bucks.

Williams appeared in 37 games over the course of his college career. Besides the left ACL tear, Williams has no other publicly reported injury history dating back to high school.
From cover1.net

He is also approximately 11 weeks into rehab since surgery, and is considered 'ahead of schedule'.

Based on how the NFL usually evaluates WR talent, I think I stand a pretty good chance of being right.

Based on the fact you said Sinorice Moss was the best receiver in the 2006 draft, I think you stand a pretty good chance of being wrong as well

wow that is going back in the archives...

An interesting take on how WR’s get evaluated. https://www.acmepackingcompany...-wrops-ras-and-wraps

@YooperPackfan posted:

Sinorice Moss

Randy Moss’ stage name?

@YooperPackfan posted:

Based on the fact you said Sinorice Moss was the best receiver in the 2006 draft, I think you stand a pretty good chance of being wrong as well

How long has that been in the back pocket waiting for the moment.  

That’s like a stone cold stunner

Heart and guile and quickness around the body are the dominate WR attributes, and they have no clue how to evaluate them. It's easy to catch the football against average defenses. The tape often lies. It's hard to make clutch plays against elite defenses. Guys who have been great at it: Julian Edelman, an NFL evaluation flunky if there ever was one. 3 Super Bowl rings. They had no clue it was in him. What was in him? Heart and guile, sneaky as hell, and quickness.

Catch radius? Complete nonsense. Contested catches? Complete nonsense. Size mismatch? Complete nonsense. Breaking tackles? Complete nonsense. NFL teams keep deceiving themselves with that garbage.

The teams that have largely ignored the big receiver gestalt in this century: New England Patriots; Pittsburg Steelers; Kansas City Chiefs; Seattle Seahawks. The most hated WR bodies in the NFL and they have tiny WR rings galore.

Would the Rams have won without Odell Beckham? Doubt it. Would the Broncos have won without Emanuel Sanders? Doubt it. Would the Ravens have won without Brandon Stokley? Doubt it. Would the Packers have won without Greg Jennings? Doubt it. Very few Super Bowls since 2000 have been outright won by team stocked with WRs 6'1" and over.

The point is to win Super Bowls.

Greatest Show on Turf? Merely 6'.

There is no substantive reason to draft WRs over 6' tall. They add nothing unless they have heart and guile and quickness around the body, and the vast majority do not have it. They come in anointed perfect WR body prima donnas, and they are usually mediocre at a thing called team: Randy Moss, etc. Very few rings.

it is a well known fact that the taller you are, the worse teammate you are. 

Tall people are assholes

Randy Newman disagrees.

Well, Napoleon thinks JZ is a genius.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

it is a well known fact that the taller you are, the worse teammate you are.

Tall people are assholes

Good thing I'm only 5'8".

That’s tall in parts of Central Africa

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

it is a well known fact that the taller you are, the worse teammate you are.

Tall people are assholes

Geez, I'm 6'3.  Thought we were friends? Lol.

Please keep Fedya out of Guatemala. Those people have suffered enough.

@RochNyFan posted:

Geez, I'm 6'3.  Thought we were friends? Lol.

Splains a lot.😂😂

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Last time I checked guys like Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, TO, Julio Jones, Mike Evans and Calvin Johnson really sucked.

There have been plenty of really good WRs tall, short, fast, slow, you name it.

But let’s also not forget you need someone to throw them the ball and you need to have a good team around you.

Brandon Stokley can thank Ray Lewis and that D.  

@Tschmack posted:

Last time I checked guys like Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, TO, Julio Jones, Mike Evans and Calvin Johnson really sucked.

There have been plenty of really good WRs tall, short, fast, slow, you name it.

One Super Bowl between them.