@antooo posted:
Still searching for a lolly gagging gif.
Isn't the pic upside down?
Now if a 6, turned out to be 9 - Jimi Hendrix
This one was fun on a slow Easter morning. Traded Rodgers and 78 for both #2s, traded back early, traded up in the middle.
Wright is a guy I like if the Packers are going to focus more on the run game. I chose him over Harrison because I think Wright's a better RT prospect.
Washington was gone, so Musgrave was an easy choice over Kraft
DJ Turner does a few things: He's not only fast, but quick and aside from hedging against Stokes' recovery he also can play the slot against either type of slot reciver.
While I think Tuli Tuipolotu fits the Packers better in some ways, he didn't work out at the Combine and ran just a few drills at USC's Pro Day where he looked...okay. I stuck with Foskey who looks more explosive even though he's 22.
Tillman is a big, "dirty work" receiver with some sneaky, Jordy-esque deep potential.
I picked Skinner over Jordan Battle because he has the experience aligning the defensive backs as well as being a good player.
Trading up for Duncan felt a little weird when I still hadn't taken a defensive lineman, but Gutekinst likes to stockpile offensive linemen and he was the last of the Bergeron/Freeland/Duncan trio and might have a shot at replacing Bakhtiari with some weight room and technique work.
McKee seems like a good lottery ticket. Stanford went to crap around him and he got conservative with the ball rather than going fuck it, chuck it. He has solid arm talent.
I have no idea where Byron Young will go. He has good athleticsim , ran great, but he just turned 25 and isn't as long as teams would prefer on the edge. Still, at this point he worth the pick on traits. (Plus, he was the "extra" pick from an earlier trade with the Bengals from the algorithm, which felt a little heavy, so if he was removed it's still a draft I like)
I missed out on the defensive linemen I wanted except 45/46 but Turner was too good to pass up and Edge has a higher position value, and I still likely take Wright even in Bresee hadn't gone just before. The trades back early helped get guys in the middle that are better prospects than the ones I'd have to settle for later.
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Former Badger DL Keeanu Benton via Dane Bruglers draft beast
SUMMARY: A four-year starter at Wisconsin, Benton was the starting nose tackle in former defensive coordinator Jim Leonhard’s 3-4 base scheme, also seeing snaps over the B-gap. He averaged 36 snaps per game over his final two seasons in Madison and posted a personal-best 10 tackles for loss as a senior captain in 2022. With his push-the-pocket power, Benton consistently resets the line of scrimmage when his pad level is right and plays with the movement skills to get up and down the line of scrimmage.
His mediocre college production is a product of his role for the Badgers and his pass rush potential boosts his draft grade (flashed promising rush potential during Senior Bowl practices). Benton needs to play with consistent leverage and become a more consistent finisher for the NFL game, but his stout power base and above-average athleticism at his size are outstanding foundation traits. He has the talent to play all over the defensive line as a pro.
GRADE: 2nd Round No. 56 overall
Bill Huber at SI with some sleepers for your consideration
Wide Receivers
Well they hit on one here:
Outside linebacker: YaYa Diaby, Louisville
@Satori posted:Bill Huber at SI with some sleepers for your consideration
I like Iosivas and mentioned him before. 6'3" and sub-4.5? That's a toolbox seemingly fitting Gutekiunst's profile, as well.
Martin is seen by many as another Brian Branch hybrid slot safety. It'll be interesting to see how he gets deployed when drafted. He's not Stokes/Alexander fast, but has solid speed, but didn't run three-cone or shuttle to have some numbers on his lateral agility.
Couple of snippets from Greg Cosell of NFL Films
Evaluating Pass Rushers
Greg: “Guards and centers control the depth of the pocket. Tackles control the width of the pocket. When I’m evaluating pass-rushers — let’s say I’m watching college tape — what I want to see is how they do in their first two, three, four steps. I’m not looking at secondary pass rush.
Because there’s a difference between rushers and pursuers. There’s nothing wrong with being a pursuer, and getting a sack off of a secondary [reaction] or a redirect, or re-tracing your steps. All sacks, by definition, are good. But if you’re looking to see if a player will be a really good pass-rusher, you want to see how he does in his first two, three, and four steps.
That, to me, is the moment of truth for a pass-rusher."
Cornerbacks had better be able to play press-man coverage.
Greg: “You’ve got to be able to play press man. Because if you can’t play press man, there are too many throws in front of you in the quick game. You’re just giving up those throws. Some guys are going to be better at it than others, and there’s two kinds of press man. There’s mirror match press man, in which you do not physically put your hands on the receiver. You allow him to declare his release, and you immediately get in his hip pocket, whether it’s inside or outside. Some people teach it with the shoulder [as the landmark], but whatever it is, you get in the hip pocket or the shoulder right away once [the receiver] declares [his] release.
“And then, of course, there’s physical press man. Some guys are better at that than others. Joey Porter Jr. has 34-inch arms, which is freakish for a cornerback. They have the physical traits with that arm length to be able to play physical press man, and disrupt a receiver off the line of scrimmage. If it’s quick game or shorter throws, the quarterback is going to look away, because the receiver has been disrupted, and the timing with that receiver is done. Those are the two kinds, and it just depends on how you want to play it.”
from the BlueChip scouting team- potential fits for Packers defense in the draft
So now we know the X’s and the O’s, who are the Billy and the Joe’s?
Here are the 2023 NFL Draft prospects who’s strengths translate nicely to what this Penny front and coverage demands:
NT/0 Tech - Jaquelin Roy LSU 6’3 305: Roy has the natrual play strength to hold up against double teams and stack/shed. He also has quickness to penetrate and push the pocket.
3 Tech/4i - Karl Brooks Bowling Green 6’3 303 - Tyree Wilson Texas Tech 6’6 271: Both Brooks and Wilson have the athleticism and strength to provide the interior rush that will disrupt run schemes and bring pressure right in the face of the QB
OLB - BJ Ojulari LSU 6’2 248 - Will McDonald Iowa State 6’4 239: Ojulari and McDonald are both speedy rushers that can run the arc and bring that pressure off the edge. Both have the movement abiltiy to cover the flats in space as well.
Outside CBs - Joey Porter Jr. Penn State 6’2 193 - Christian Gonzalez 6’1 197: In C9 the outside CB is responsible for everything the #1 WR has in his bag, vertical, underneath etc.. Gonzalez is able to handle that task with pure mirror/match cover skills, JPJ is able to do the same with length, physicality and catch point disruption.
Slot CB - Cam Smith South Carolina 6’1 180: In Cover 9 the slot CB has man match responsibility to go with the #2 WR vertical or breaking out towards the sideline. To be successful that player must trust his own deep speed and be quick and fluid enough to trigger on out breaking routes as well. Cam Smith’s 1.49 10 yard split is evidence of the necessary short area quickness and his 4.3 40 shows the required long speed as well.
Weak side Safety - Ji’Ayir Brown Penn State 5’11 203: The weak safeties coverage responsibility is the same as the slot CB on the other side of the formation, #2 vertical or outside. In this instance it’s more likely the receiver is a TE. Ji’Ayir Brown has the instincts, hips and enough size to handle most TEs in coverage.
Strong side Safety - Jartavious Martin 5’11 194: Read and Range is the name of the game for the Safety playing on the roof of the defense. Martin is a twitchy athlete with 4.4 speed that allows him stay over top of anything that threatens the deep middle.
This is a defense built to handle 1st & 10 as well as 3rd and Long. Of course there are over a dozen different variations and audibles attached to this type of scheme, but this gives a good baseline idea of an odd front with a 2 Safety shell with it. Also this is a good estimation of players that are Fitting the Scheme.
Porter is another Bakersfield boy, his dad played for the Steelers.
I still think Carpenter needs a strong look before investing an early pick ,1st thru 4th, on a safety. He looked like he had a little thumper in him what little I saw him. Overall our secondary was pretty decent except for one aforementioned safety when the correct defense was called. IMHO
Carpenter can't run and has no agility as a safety. He's a special teamer and maybe a sub package linebacker. 20 years ago he might have been an early Cover-2 Strong Safety, but those days are long gone, just like Bernardo Harris and Brian Noble at ILB.
@Herschel posted:Carpenter can't run and has no agility as a safety. He's a special teamer and maybe a sub package linebacker. 20 years ago he might have been an early Cover-2 Strong Safety, but those days are long gone, just like Bernardo Harris and Brian Noble at ILB.
I don't recall his combine numbers but he looked plenty fast to me on the st plays he was in last year. He has a year under his belt now , next man up.
And I sure loved me some Bernardo Harris and Brian Noble in their careers. Both those guys did not get the credit they deserved in my book.
Tariq Carpenter Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com
I liked them too, that's why I used them as an example, but they were slower than Jake Ryan, which doesn't cut it any more.
🤦♂️Bernardo "Running in Quicksand" Harris. Noble looked like Renaldo Nehemiah compared to BH.
Hersch is right. No speed = torched defense nowadays. Which explains why they drafted Quay Walker and kept Devondre Campbell.
I've had quite enough of seeing the middle of the defense giving up 30+ yd plays down the seam.
Can't teach speed.
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Under the radar TE that the Packers have in their sights
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...e-for-predraft-visit
Josh Whyle
Whyle measured 6-foot-6 1/2 and 248 pounds at the Scouting Combine, where he ran his 40 in 4.69 seconds – a good time for a man his size. A member of Bruce Feldman’s coveted “Freaks” list headed into 2022, Whyle’s Relative Athletic Score was 8.98 on a 0-to-10 scale.
Man, we better get at least 2TEs from this draft. So many good ones.
Whylie and Kuntz are my favorites of the second-tier TEs. I’m hoping for Washington or Musgrave earlier and one of these two later.
Mayer visiting his new digs today in Green Bay
@Boris posted:Can't teach speed.
Don Beebe would like a word with you.
@DH13 posted:Anyone else remember that draft not too long ago that was flush with WR talent? It being a position of need for GB at the time, does anyone remember how many of those WR's Gute took?
We got the next great QB.
@YATittle posted:Wide Receivers
I've read that Jonathan Mingo was made for the Packers. I'd also take a hard pass on Ragin' Cajun WR Michael Jefferson, as it was reported that he was in an automobile accident about a week ago and has undergone two or three surgeries, since then. Emory Hunt was on CHTV, talking with Nagler, about some draft sleepers. One guy he mentioned was combo Safety, Xavier Bell of Portland State. Another was UTenn- Bethel DL, Darel (DUH-rel) Middleton.
Jaire did not meet the height requirements Packers like but they made an exception and it has worked out well. If an undersized WR that can run like Watson, change directions like Davante, and catch the ball like Jordy is available then take him.
With the TE draft depth, I can’t see taking Mayer at 15.
@Packy posted:With the TE draft depth, I can’t see taking Mayer at 15.
If he’s the best player available you take him
With Mayer, I think you’re getting a solid starting TE but might never be a great TE in the NFL. I could see someone taking him bottom 1/3 of the first round but I could easily see him slip into the early 2nd. I think he’s going to be a good NFL player, becoming great is questionable in his case due to average explosiveness.
@YooperPackfan posted:If he’s the best player available you take him
He won't be, but yes always BPA
Trust the board...oh look welp...here's Aaron Rodgers - board says we take him....we take him
@YooperPackfan posted:If he’s the best player available you take him
He's basically Bubba Franks. That's certainly not bad, but not a rerun in the top-15 many want to see.