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Article from The Athletic on the S2 Cognition Test, one of the newer tools teams use to evaluate NFL prospects

Was Brock Purdy’s emergence predictable ?
S2 Cognition test has pointed to NFL success

"If you watched Brock Purdy at last year’s NFL Scouting Combine, you would have seen a quarterback with below-average height, a merely adequate arm and foot speed that, while good, didn’t separate him from the pack.

The test he absolutely aced — and one that predicted his brilliant rookie season for the 49ers — was administered out of public view. Purdy landed in the mid 90s on something called the S2 Cognition test, a score you might consider Drew Brees-like.  Which is to say, it’s elite.

The S2 isn’t an intelligence test like the 50-question Wonderlic exam but rather measures how quickly and accurately athletes process information. It’s like the 40-yard dash for the brain.

”The game will never be too fast for Brock, I’ll say that,” said Brandon Ally, a neuroscientist and cofounder of Nashville-based S2 Cognition. “I don’t think he’ll ever have trouble adjusting.”

Ally and his partner, Scott Wylie, have tested more than 40,000 athletes, from big-league batsmen to pro golfers, and the company has contracts with 14 NFL teams. The group already has been testing players at college all-star games during the current draft cycle and will do more testing at next week’s combine in Indianapolis. By the time the draft begins in April, S2 will have scores for more than 800 prospects.

“The GMs have become so interested in the data that we start testing as soon as these kids declare,” Ally said.

The exam lasts 40 to 45 minutes. It’s performed on a specially designed gaming laptop and response pad that can record reactions in two milliseconds. To put that in perspective, an eye blink lasts 100 to 150 milliseconds.

In one section of the exam, a series of diamonds flash on the screen for 16 milliseconds each. Every diamond is missing a point, and the test taker must determine — using left, right, up or down keys — which part is missing.

In another, the test seeks to find out how many objects an athlete can keep track of at the same time. In another, there are 22 figures on the screen and the athlete must locate a specific one as quickly as possible. The object might be a red triangle embedded in other shapes that are also red.

“We’re talking about things they have to perceive on the screen within 16/1,000th of a second, which is essentially subliminal and which scientific literature says you shouldn’t be able to process,” Ally said.

“And I’ll be honest with you, we’re seeing pro baseball players see something way faster than 16 milliseconds, which has never been reported in literature, all the way to some athletes who may take 150 milliseconds. So our eyes may see the same thing. But for some, it takes longer to process than others.”

The article notes that the players, not the NFL own those results. They can share privately with prospective teams if they choose, they can release to public if they want. Speculation is that 1 or more top rookies* will release theirs pre-draft. That puts the other players in a tough spot.

" Hey Biff, how come you didn't release yours ? "



*speculation was Bryce Young who tested elite

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From Jason Wilde

Reading old quotes prepping for
@WiStateJournal #NFLDraft series:

Fans at 2008 draft party booed Ted Thompson for picking Jordy Nelson.
Asked if he deserved it, Ted replied,
"I don't think so. But who knows? We'll see. I think the kid's going to be a really good player."

Dane Brugler's latest 7-round Mock from the Athletic...

Green Bay Packers

1 (15): Peter Skoronski, G, Northwestern
2 (45): Luke Musgrave, TE, Oregon State
3 (78): Antonio Johnson, S, Texas A&M
4 (116): Dontayvion Wicks, WR, Virginia
5 (149): Cameron Young, DT, Mississippi State
5 (170): Evan Hull, RB, Northwestern
7 (232): Tyson Bagent, QB, Shepherd
7 (235): Atonio Mafi, G, UCLA
7 (242): Carrington Valentine, CB, Kentucky
7 (256): Jordan Howden, S, Minnesota

Just did this mock on PFN's Draft simulator:

1) Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon

2) Luke Musgrave, TE, Oregon State

3) Antonio Johnson, S, Texas A&M

4) Dontayvion Wicks, WR, Virginia

5) Nathaniel "Tank" Dell, WR, Houston

5) Josh Whylie, TE, Cincy

7) Viliami Fehoko, Edge, San Jose State

7) Karl Brooks, DT, Bowling Green

7) Stetson Bennett, QB, Georgia

7) Tre Tucker, WR/Returner, Cincy

The vikings wanted to trade up, with GB, to go after Gonzalez, but I said no way! Screw them!

That Brugler mock is painful. Not that the players are bad or anything, but it’s a “we’re not going anywhere this season” mock. Adding even just a #2 for Rodgers might make a big difference, though.

2023 Draft Preview

Armed with 10 selections, marking the fifth straight year the Packers enter the draft with 10-plus picks, Green Bay will have plenty of opportunities to add more talent and depth to their roster. All picks are eligible to be traded

If the Packers draft 10 players, it will mark the fourth draft in the last seven years that Green Bay selected 10-plus players (11 in 2018 and 2022, and 10 in 2017). From 2000-22, the Packers selected 10-plus players in a single draft eight times (2013, 11; 2011, 10;  2007, 11;  2006, 12;  2005, 11;  2000, 13).

https://www.packers.com/news/d...23-nfl-draft-preview

Press conferences featuring General Manager Brian Gutekunst, Head Coach Matt LaFleur and members of the personnel and scouting staff will be carried live on packers.com They will also stream on YouTube

@DH13 posted:

Smith_Njigba, Skoronski, Kincaid and Porter, Jr. are all there at #15.  Who do you take?

Of those, Porter Jr. Smith-Njigba isn’t as good as his predecessors, Kincaid doesn’t block at all, Skoronski has short arms (usually a demerit on draft boards, looking at history)

I've randomly heard a lot of discussion on sports radio about Skoronski's arm length and I get the impression it's not going to be an issue for NFL teams.  There were precedents of other OL who went on to have pro bowl careers of which I cannot remember the names of.  IOW, if Skoronski falls it won't be because of his arm length.

@DH13 posted:

Smith_Njigba, Skoronski, Kincaid and Porter, Jr. are all there at #15.  Who do you take?

Bijan Robinson. He is the best receiver in the draft and MLF can use him in teh slot this year while taking over for Jones next year.

@DH13 posted:

I've randomly heard a lot of discussion on sports radio about Skoronski's arm length and I get the impression it's not going to be an issue for NFL teams.  There were precedents of other OL who went on to have pro bowl careers of which I cannot remember the names of.  IOW, if Skoronski falls it won't be because of his arm length.

But if he falls and can't get up again, arm length becomes a greater concern.

@Herschel posted:

Of those, Porter Jr. Smith-Njigba isn’t as good as his predecessors, Kincaid doesn’t block at all, Skoronski has short arms (usually a demerit on draft boards, looking at history)

Both Joe Thomas and Bahk had short arms. That metric is not everything.

Edit: I think I was wrong about Bahk. 34 inch arms.

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@Goalline posted:

Smith Njigba.

rong.

That's the fantasy fan-boy choice. Your mother and I are both very disappointed in you after all the $$ and effort we've put into your roster- building education.

We expect more from a varsity Letterman.

Please try again:

from McGinn's annual series:  GMs on the 2023 OL class

https://www.golongtd.com/p/part-2-ol-buyer-beware?

“This is the worst offensive-line crowd in the history of the draft — maybe,” a long-in-the-tooth NFL personnel executive. “We have like 15 guys in our top 150. For an entire 32-team league. We need 320 linemen.

“It’s so bad,” he continued. “There’s going to be some reaches on offensive linemen in this draft. I think every lineman in the top 100 overall will go a half-round to a full round, if not two rounds, higher than they normally would in a given year.”

“In years past there have been more clear-cut (elite linemen),” an executive in personnel for an AFC team said. “Charles Cross would still be the top guy in this draft by head and shoulders. There’s guys with traits.
Paris Johnson has those kind of traits so it wouldn’t surprise me if people took him at pick 9 or 10 but the film isn’t as clean as some of those other guys that have gone that high. A lot of these guys don’t feel as clean as what you feel like a first-round O-lineman is.”

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