Good question. How does one rate a scouting department when we don't know who they rated where, or who they recommend vs. who is selected? We read snippets after all is said and done and a player is no longer playing, but if someone wrote that story... We hear a lot more about baseball scouts and who they uncover, but little about NFL scouts.

Hence, very little accountability. They do have to answer to the organization, but it's all kept internal. The GM does have to respond to the Press, but have you ever heard of a GM saying, "Yeah, I really fucked that pick up..."

@Pikes Peak posted:

Speaking of mistakes….FROM THE Onion

Chiefs Second Super Bowl Win Proves Anything Possible If You Don’t Trade Up To Draft Mitch Trubisky

It's not just Trubisky.

The Bears have invested 4 first round picks, one second round, two third round, and one fourth round pick (along with a still serviceable at the time Kyle Orton) for their starting QBs over the last 13 years.

Trubisky Trade

https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/mitch-trubisky-trade/

Here's what Chicago gave up to move up ONE pick:

• No. 3 pick (which became Solomon Thomas)
• No. 67 pick, Round 2 (which was traded to the Saints, who selected Alvin Kamara)
• No. 111 pick, Round 4 (traded to the Seahawks, who selected safety Tedric Thompson)
• No. 70 pick, Round 3 in 2018 (which became All-Pro linebacker Fred Warner)

Cutler Trade

During the 2009 offseason, the Chicago Bears made a blockbuster trade that brought Jay Cutler and a fifth-round pick to Chicago in return for Kyle Orton, two first-round picks, and a third-rounder.

Fields Trade (from footballreference.com)

April 29, 2021: Traded by Giants as 2021 1st round pick (11th overall) to Bears for 2021 1st round pick (20th overall, Kadarius Toney), 2021 5th round pick (164th overall subsequently traded, Jamar Johnson), 2022 1st round pick (7th overall, Evan Neal) and 2022 4th round pick (112th overall, Daniel Bellinger)

Yeah, the 49ers fleeced the Bears for that draft pick....a huge mistake by Chicago. Passing on Patrick Mahomes?  Colossal failure.

I'm guessing he wouldn't be the Mahomes we know today if he ended up with that dumpster fire.

Probably not...

Looking at Trubisky's college stats, he reminds me a lot of Trey Lance...only one year of real production. Mahomes had three 3 years of production, 2 of which were very good, especially his last season in college. How Trubisky was rated ahead of Mahomes on any draft boards is a mystery to me.

Interesting that SF made the same gamble/mistake as Chicago with Lance.

Too many guys get caught up in who looks good rather than does he get the job done. Trubisky looks like a QB and can throw a nice ball, but Mahomes gets the job done even if it sometimes doesn't look the prettiest (arm angle, platform, scrambling around, etc.).

@Fandame posted:

Too many guys get caught up in who looks good rather than does he get the job done. Trubisky looks like a QB and can throw a nice ball, but Mahomes gets the job done even if it sometimes doesn't look the prettiest (arm angle, platform, scrambling around, etc.).

Trubisky might look good but Mahomes is rather cute.   

Not that I look at them that way, just saying.

Goldie does.

@Packmeister posted:

Yeah, the 49ers fleeced the Bears for that draft pick....a huge mistake by Chicago. Passing on Patrick Mahomes?  Colossal failure.

And Solomon Thomas really fleeced the Niners by letting them select him in the first round.

That's for sure...lol

@Chongo posted:

I'm guessing he wouldn't be the Mahomes we know today if he ended up with that dumpster fire.

This. Mahomes was more ready than Trubisky and got more time to acclimate before having to play, as well as playing for Andy Reid.

All the speculation of the Colts trading up to #1, I think they go for Carr and stay put or trade up one spot if other QBs go 1/2 because the trade up cost to #1 would be ridiculous.

Carr in Indy would be an upgrade over Ryan or whoever.

Ryan has dropped off a cliff. Not capable anymore. Just like Payton Manning in his last year.

@YATittle posted:

Ryan has dropped off a cliff. Not capable anymore. Just like Payton Manning in his last year.

Yes, better a year too early than a year too late. He's already a year too late and is still thinking about playing this year.

@Chongo posted:

I'm guessing he wouldn't be the Mahomes we know today if he ended up with that dumpster fire.

He wouldn't be what he is today, but I don't see any way he would have completely bombed. How you could scout Mahomes, Trubisky, and D. Watson and come to the conclusion that Trubisky was not only the best QB, but worth giving up an enormous amount of draft capital to move up one spot so that someone else didn't steal him from you with the other two still on the board is mindboggling. You could have watched one preseason series from Mahomes and Trubisky as rookies and seen the difference in raw talent.

Trubisky should tell his agent ASAP to get him to San Francisco as a backup QB for the minimum. I think he's in the Jimmy G/Purdy type category and would do very well in that system.

This one was kind of fun. Trade back with Washington in the face of them potentially getting sniped by another team trading with Green Bay, then use that pick to move back up in the second to get a receiving threat still on the board. I doubt like hell Hyatt would be the actual guy available (the sim had a TE run) but Pittsburgh only has one day 3 pick before the 7th round.

151.

@MichiganPacker posted:

How you could scout Mahomes, Trubisky, and D. Watson and come to the conclusion that Trubisky was not only the best QB, but worth giving up an enormous amount of draft capital to move up one spot so that someone else didn't steal him from you with the other two still on the board is mindboggling.

Bears gonna Bear

Bears bare, bees be.

Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

Rumors of DET moving up to #3 to draft one of the QB's.  They currently have #6 and #18.  If Stroud makes it to #3, that'd be a helluva move by the Loins.  They could even get a RD1 guy at #6.  That team is in an interesting position.

2022 draft class rankings…

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...ots-49ers-in-top-10/

Great to see the Vikings as #32 on the list. 

@Packy posted:

2022 draft class rankings…

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...ots-49ers-in-top-10/

NYJ's haul was very late 80's DAL, sheesh. 

DET finally hits some numbers too.  Can they do it again or was it luck.

I like the vibe of the Detroit coach.  There's a bit of meathead going on with him but his players will run through a brick wall for him.  

Meatheads are good at rallying the troops but they often fall short on the biggest stage because they don't have the ability to shut the gas off and make quick calculated decisions.

Who was the last meatball to win it?  Is Carroll considered one?  Ditka?

Cowher?

MM?  

Mike Tice of MN, the guy that was in MN when they had Moss and Culpepper and came up with the "Randy Ratio." Classic looks as well as the decision-making of a meathead. Second place to MM.

Tice was great.  Uncle Burnsie, Denny, Tice and Chili.  Thats entertainment !

Let's not forget Wun-aye the Pirate!

So these were SB winning HC's?

Back to the draft I grab Pete Skoronski if he is still there At 15.

@Fandame posted:

Mike Tice of MN, the guy that was in MN when they had Moss and Culpepper and came up with the "Randy Ratio." Classic looks as well as the decision-making of a meathead. Second place to MM.

Tice was two neck bolts away from starring in a horror movie.

@ammo posted:

Back to the draft I grab Pete Skoronski if he is still there At 15.

I like Skoronski, too. Not just because of him being a Packer legacy, but he is a decent OT. I think we need to draft an OT high, this draft just to get some protection for Love, if Love is our QB. We do not know what Bakhtiari will do, if Rodgers leaves. A top OT, in the draft may go a long way to alleviate the pressure on our back up OTs.  Maybe a Center, too, along the way, as Myers did not impress many, this past season. Hell, there I go revamping our OL, again.

@ammo posted:

Back to the draft I grab Pete Skoronski if he is still there At 15.

I'd  much rather see an Edge, Branch, Quentin Johnson, or Mayer there...maybe Paris Johnson. Skoronski, I think would make an excellent RG. If you're drafting him for that, then yes.

Fredokunst has spent 12 picks on offensive linemen: One good, one maybe average and one promising but needing strength. That's TT in the defensive backfield levels of drafting issues. Adding to that is Rhyan being drafted in a spot where he should be competent enough to get snaps on a struggling line at least as a swing. It'd generally way too early to make a final judgement on guys drafted last year, but that's a really tough start to overcome.

I'm not sure if using a 1 is the best course of action or letting someone else pick which lineman to take. I'm leaning towards an edge player as he hasn't whiffed on a high pick at that position yet.

I'm also not sold on a TE in the first. They seem to have the second-highest learning curve (behnd QB) before they show out. Unless they're in a full rebuild mode, I'd lean to waiting a bit for a TE.

If one of the QBs gets traded, it will be interesting to see what the compensation is and how that works out. Best guess is if Love were to be traded it would be for compensation this April for an "all-in" run, but if Rodgers is traded there may well be a conditional pick, or picks, involved. Say he's traded to the Jets along with Bakhtiari. They'd get compensation this year, but it may be Favre-esque with a conditional pick next year or even 2025 if both guys are still playing and the Jets are successful. .