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@FLPACKER posted:Are you sure you didn't get Battle, the other Alabama safety in the 7th? Branch is a First Round selection on almost every board
No, my 7th round picks , in that FanSpeak mock, were Jammie Robinson, S, Fla St; Zach Pickens, DL, So Carolina; and Brian Branch, CB, Alabama. I've noticed other big names on draft boards falling into the lower rounds, as well, on Fan Speak. Christian Gonzalez, CB from Oregon, was found in the 4th round, at the Packers pick and he was in the Top 10 players listed, on some boards. I have noticed that many Edge players are off the board by the Packers pick, in the 1st Round. OTs and WRs, too. It's doesn't seem to be a very deep draft , for WRs, though. None of these mocks matter until the combine comes. Then everything changes.
Agree, on pro football network simulator, I've traded back in the First Round to get more picks (typically third round pick) because no one was there at 15 that was at a position of need. The more I watch TE Mayer, the more I can't take him at 15 when I can get Kincaid or Musgrave in the Second Round, who both look more athletic.
I wonder if they know he's a Tedford QB?
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You wouldn't, by any chance, be making a case for Haener, would you? 
@Packmeister posted:You wouldn't, by any chance, be making a case for Haener, would you?
He won't be available in the the 4th or 5th round when the Packers would likely take a backup QB. I also have my concerns about playing in the cold with his hand size. He will be better in a warm climate or dome.
Kuntz is an intriguing prospect based on athleticism. Still...6'7 or 6'8 is outside the ideal height for a TE. But a 40 inch vertical and 4.57 40...if true...are filthy athleticism.
@Herschel posted:By end of Day 2, depending on trade compensation. TT used to trade sometimes for a Sliderâ at the top of Round 4, but thatâs likely too late even if they keep Love.
It would be a really good idea, but I have my doubts. Love needs competition.
@Iowacheese posted:Define Define
LOL, who gave you a thumbs down?
@Chongo posted:Kuntz is an intriguing prospect based on athleticism. Still...6'7 or 6'8 is outside the ideal height for a TE. But a 40 inch vertical and 4.57 40...if true...are filthy athleticism.
What a freakððŋ
Heâs a Kuntz
I brought Kuntz up earlier in this thread. Originally went to Penn St., track guy in high school. Running the forty in the 4.5s this offseason. I would love to see us get Kincaid or Musgrave in the Second Round and this guy later.
@Iowacheese posted:Heâs a Kuntz
I think you have to be an Englishman to use that word.
There was a kid on our school bus named Kuntz. He always rode up front by the bus driver instead of in back with the older kids. Even in HS. Probably saved his life. Not because of the name, well maybe partly because of his name. He was also just a kid that kind of invited ridicule. He was often drawing genitalia in his sketchbook. Very detailed.
Another TE that can run a little
Packers have spent 4 draft picks on TE since 2012 and one of those (Deguara) is more of an H-Back than TE.
Rich Rodgers, Kennard Backman and Jace Sternberger.
One average, two total wastes of those 3.
So as much as we want the Packers to value TE in the draft, history says they don't and are more likely to spent FA dollars on over the hill projects like Big Dog and Jimmy Graham. At least Big Dog does what he was hired to do...blocks his balls off.
A lot of teams don't value TE, some spend a lot of draft capital on them (Baltimore)...there is no set formula. If the Packers could get a good one by signing UDFA, that works for me...but they have not been able to do that outside of one decent year with Tonyan. The most frustrating thing is, this offense needs a good TE. It is one of the things that separates an SF or LA Rams from the Packers.
As Iâve mentioned many times, what kills me is there are literally 40 excellent to decent tight ends in the league. Just find one, dammit.
@Chongo posted:Packers have spent 4 draft picks on TE since 2012 and one of those (Deguara) is more of an H-Back than TE.
Rich Rodgers, Kennard Backman and Jace Sternberger.
One average, two total wastes of those 3.
So as much as we want the Packers to value TE in the draft, history says they don't and are more likely to spent FA dollars on over the hill projects like Big Dog and Jimmy Graham. At least Big Dog does what he was hired to do...blocks his balls off.
A lot of teams don't value TE, some spend a lot of draft capital on them (Baltimore)...there is no set formula. If the Packers could get a good one by signing UDFA, that works for me...but they have not been able to do that outside of one decent year with Tonyan. The most frustrating thing is, this offense needs a good TE. It is one of the things that separates an SF or LA Rams from the Packers.
What do all of the TEs mentioned have in common? None of them could / can run.
Rodgers forty time; 4.87
DeGuara 4.72
Backman 4.76
Sternberger 4.75
Graham & Bennett had lost their legs by the time we got them. Not saying that a good 40 time automatically makes a TE a playmaker, but I think it is safe to say that it can predict who isn't going to be one.
@FLPACKER posted:What do all of the TEs mentioned have in common? None of them could / can run.
Gurt seems to either draft guys that can't run and have other skills (Deguara, Doubs), or draft speed guys that can't play that well (MVS) and sometimes both (Amari).
The lone exception seems to be Watson...dude can run like the wind and is showing he can do other things too.
The overall problem with the Packers under Gurt, at least on offense, is they have swung and missed on skill positions. A lot.
The Chiefs seemingly add impact guys every year or two. They let Tyreek Hill go and filled the void with RB and WR. Yes, they have Kelce who is their best WR, but he gets wide open because they have other weapons around him to go to.
Doubs and Watson have shown promise...Deguara maybe shows more if they target him more. Dillon has been up and down...is that him or is it playcalling? Overall our most explosive weapon is 33. You need at least two more explosive weapons you can count on. WR, Slot guys, RB, TE...doesn't matter...we need playmakers...doesn't matter who QB1 is.
That is a tough one ... we already have a playmaker at RB that we don't use enough, trade Jones' contract for a rookie's?
@FLPACKER posted:That is a tough one ... we already have a playmaker at RB that we don't use enough, trade Jones' contract for a rookie's?
Yeah, it was just a hypothetical...
Back when I really hoped the Pack would draft Shanon Sharpe with Sterling at the top of his game. That would have" I believe" got us another Super Bowl or two !!!! But I am just a FAN . 
FFS I had an order for a party of 250 people on that danged balloon then they go and shoot it down?!?
@D J posted:FFS I had an order for a party of 250 people on that danged balloon then they go and shoot it down?!?
Too bad you missed boardingð
@Chongo posted:Packers have spent 4 draft picks on TE since 2012 and one of those (Deguara) is more of an H-Back than TE.
Rich Rodgers, Kennard Backman and Jace Sternberger.
One average, two total wastes of those 3.
Maybe they should get Lebron James to play the TE position.
Here was an interesting exercise with Rodgers staying, and I doubt there's any way Foskey lasts until #45 but PFF has him ranked lower still. They also have a number of safeties rated lower.
Trade backs twice, Vikings, then Saints to #29. Get back two 3rds and a 4th. Falcons give up a #2 and a conditional pick for Love.
#29 Tanner McKee QB Stanford
*Seahawks trade 51 & 83 for #44, #119, #234
#45 Isaiah Foskey OLB Notre Dame
#51 Darnell Washington TE Georgia
#71 Cedric Tillman WR Tennessee
#78 Matthew Bergeron OT Syracuse
#83 Jordan Battle S Alabama
#96 Noah Sewell LB Oregon
*Day 3 positioning trades.
#116 Tyjae Spears RB Tulane
#123 Joe Tippmann OL Wisconsin
#133 Ivan Pace Jr. LB Cincinnati
#158 Ochaun Mathis OLB Nebraska
#217 Zack Kuntz TE Old Dominion
#241 Jalen Wayne WR South Alabama
McKee becomes the heir to Rodgers, Foskey to Preston Smith. Washington has strong blocking potential, and a late flyer on a tall, athletic guy. Both receivers are also tall, athletic guys like they seem to favor, and Wayne has inconsistent hands. Sewell is Campbell's heir, Pace is a pint-sized Hassan Reddick who can be a special teams demon and occasional gadget LB/rush specialist. Spears might be the heir to Jones and should be given a shot at returner. Mathis is a situational rusher and special teamer.
Only one safety is a concern and Pace or Sewell probably should be another offensive lineman but there it is.
Packers don't need 13 draft picks. They need about 4 impact players which they should be able to get by trading Rodgers.
A few "ifs" here.... let's assume GB trades 12 to LV and acquires their #7 overall pick in this years draft. WIth the #7 overall pick, do you take a QB if Levis, Stroud or Young falls to that spot?
With the 7th pick....(If they have it)
Paris Johnson Jr., OT
- School: Ohio State
- Year: Junior
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Myles Murphy, Edge
- School: Clemson
- Year: Junior
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One of those 2. They already have a QB
I would rather trade for a couple of young impact players than a top 10 draft choice.
@ammo posted:Packers don't need 13 draft picks. They need about 4 impact players which they should be able to get by trading Rodgers.
They don't need 4 impact guys, but they do need at least one elite edge pass rusher and a real TE. You pair that edge rusher with half a season of a healthy Gary with that secondary and they should be in good shape (although if Joe Barry had two elite pass rushers, he'd probably rush three and drop 8 in a soft zone).
The other position of need is safety.
I think they need an impact WR too. Whether Lazard comes back or leaves Watson and/or Doubs could have that proverbial sophomore slump. If that happens no matter who the QB is the offense will suffer again. And we still don't know what the situation with Aaron Jones may be.
Lazard's predicted market value is 11 million a season in the FA market. Zero chance I'd pay that to keep him in GB.
I'd keep adding to the young stable of WRs already in GB... Johnston would be my guy if GB can swing it.
Ston or Son?
Ston.
@Pakrz posted:Lazard's predicted market value is 11 million a season in the FA market. Zero chance I'd pay that to keep him in GB.
I'd keep adding to the young stable of WRs already in GB... Johnston would be my guy if GB can swing it.
I'd normally be right with you. Pay the elite ones, draft young ones and let the middle play out.
Then we ended up starting the season with Sammy Watkins.
I may need to rethink undervaluing WR
@Pakrz posted:Lazard's predicted market value is 11 million a season in the FA market. Zero chance I'd pay that to keep him in GB.
I'd keep adding to the young stable of WRs already in GB... Johnston would be my guy if GB can swing it.
Lazard is reported to want 15-17 million a year. The Packers are unwilling to go above 8 million a year.
https://twitter.com/bigpackers.../1621706948679712769
Good luck to Lazard. They need to get better at WR than what they have in him.