@Badgeman posted:Gutey has a great opportunity this week. He already has a playoff quality roster as proven last season ... he now needs to find the missing pieces to fill holes and add depth to key positions. I am excited about fall 2024.
“It’s chick hatching season.”
- Theodore Thompson
It's just Ted.
From Gute’s presser, ongoing:
@BillHuberNFL: Gutekunst said the draft board is pretty well set. "We feel really good where it's at." They'll meet again tonight and that'll be it.
"Sometimes," Gutekunst said, there's subterfuge to the 30 visits [adding that this was a lesson learned from Ted].
@ByRyanWood: Brian Gutekunst on what his heart rate is like when he's on the clock: "I guess it depends what's in front of me."
@WesHod: Brian Gutekunst on the #Packers' league-high 11 draft picks, says he's open to getting even more: "We have 11 right now. I’d love to end up with 13, 14 or more. I’d never shy away from that."
@BillHuberNFL: Gutekunst doesn't think it would be hard to get all 11 draft picks on the roster. "The best players play."
@WesHod: Gutekunst said signing Greg Joseph was all about competition. Anders Carlson had a promising rookie season.
Gutekunst also says Cooper DeJean could play corner or safety; just depends on where you may need him. Praised his athleticism.
Gutekunst says Luke Musgrave & Tucker Kraft "were right there" when it came to grades. #Packers went with Musgrave at 42 and couldn't believe Kraft was still there at 78. Just the way the draft goes sometimes.
@ByRyanWood: Brian Gutekunst says picks on first 2 days are "hard to come by." He's got 5 in first 3 rounds. On idea that could help him move back into 1st round: "To use one of those picks to move up, it better be for one of those players you don't feel like you're going to get most years."
@ilcuqui posted:From Gute’s presser, ongoing:
@WesHod: Brian Gutekunst on the #Packers' league-high 11 draft picks, says he's open to getting even more: "We have 11 right now. I’d love to end up with 13, 14 or more. I’d never shy away from that."
So is he just blowing smoke or will we see a couple of trade downs and still get the player Gutey wants?
Falcons supposed to get dinged pretty good for tampering with Cousins.
Be nice if they lost their R1 pick
I don’t think the team that they “offended against “ gets direct compensation.
Saw someplace mentioning the Falcons and Queens would swap picks. Falcons 8 for Queensland 23. Prob queen dreams
Ted Theodore Logan is the best Ted
@ammo posted:So is he just blowing smoke or will we see a couple of trade downs and still get the player Gutey wants?
I think the answer to that is somewhere in between. Good GMs are great at blowing smoke this time of year and even better GMs IMHO already know what they may go after if their board plays out in their favor.
"The two teams that have expressed the most interest in moving up have been the Vikings & Giants..
— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) April 22, 2024
The most likely scenario is that the Commanders stay at number two & take Jayden Daniels" ~ @AdamSchefter #PMSLive pic.twitter.com/EfbyAIpk51
ESPN's Jordan Reid final mock for Packers...Kinda DFH...
Graham Barton, C, Duke
One of the most impressive non-QB prospects that I saw out on the pro day circuit was Barton. He's an easy mover at 6-foot-5, 313 pounds. Barton spent last season at tackle, but he's projected to move inside at the next level, and he's my top-ranked center. Barton would be a gritty plug-and-play option for a Packers team that has had a lot of success drafting offensive linemen over the past decade.
Edgerrin Cooper, LB, Texas A&M
With a clear lack of depth on the second level of the defense beyond Quay Walker, the Packers could use Cooper's playmaking ability. He had 80 tackles, 14 tackles for loss and eight sacks last season.
Cole Bishop, S, Utah
The Packers had inconsistent safety play last season, leading them to sign Xavier McKinney this offseason. Let's keep adding there. Bishop is a versatile player who can make plays in coverage or get home as a blitzer, tallying 59 tackles, two picks and three sacks in 2023.
Khyree Jackson, CB, Oregon
Jackson is a long and active corner who would add a flexible skill set to the Packers' secondary; he can play both man and zone coverage.
Jaylen Wright, RB, Tennessee
The Packers signed Josh Jacobs in free agency to replace Aaron Jones, but Wright would bring a different element. He's a home run hitter who averaged 7.4 yards per carry (third in the FBS) and had 35 runs for 10-plus yards last season.
126. Green Bay Packers: Gabe Hall, EDGE, Baylor
169. Green Bay Packers*: Braiden McGregor, EDGE, Michigan
202. Green Bay Packers: Kitan Oladapo, S, Oregon State
219. Green Bay Packers*: M.J. Devonshire, CB, Pittsburgh
245. Green Bay Packers: Walter Rouse, OT, Oklahoma
255. Green Bay Packers*: KT Leveston, G, Kansas State
@ilcuqui posted:From Gute’s presser, ongoing:
@WesHod: Brian Gutekunst on the #Packers' league-high 11 draft picks, says he's open to getting even more: "We have 11 right now. I’d love to end up with 13, 14 or more. I’d never shy away from that."
I just don't believe he really means this for this year's draft. I understand the concept of more picks means more chances at a lottery find. And I also understand the concept of "competition. But the Packers roster is not full of holes. It's young, they have some stars and future stars, and there're very few (IMO) positions that are up for "competition". They are far more likely to find players to push other current players off the roster in the earlier rounds of the draft.
If the Packers were in a rebuild/mini-rebuild and/or had an aging roster, I totally agree that more picks is most likely better. I think it's 50/50 he keeps all 11 picks, and the whole "13 or 14 picks" is just GM speak.
@titmfatied posted:
One of Gute's answers about trading up..."It had better be a player that you wouldn't normally get a chance at"
These Packers will be drafting in the bottom 1/3 of the draft for the next few years and its unlikely Gute will have (5) picks in top 91 to work with any time soon.
IF he sees such a player this year, I think he's OK paying the price to go up get him because its likely his best chance between 2024 and 2026
Also, as much as I'd love Barton ( a lot ) (DFH) the potential move of Zach Tom to OC changes Barton's value a little imo. Barton's OL versatility is fantastic, but if he's not moving to OC in the near future - then you can look at a suitable RG later in the draft as the Packers have done previously.
3rd round has quite a few talented OGs available
@Satori posted:One of Gute's answers about trading up..."It had better be a player that you wouldn't normally get a chance at"
The only way they take Barton at 25 is if they project him as a LT at some point.
The most premium positions Gutey values are LT, lockdown CB and edge player. I would bet Packers will take one of those positions BPA at 25.
Then again, two years ago he took two non-premium positions guys, two of them, in R1.
Some interesting draft tidbits here.
@YATittle posted:Some interesting draft tidbits here.
"2024 will mark the fourth time they have owned the 25th overall selection in the first round (1967, QB Don Horn; 1999, DB Antuan Edwards; and 2004, DB Ahmad Carroll)."
The 25th pick has not been kind to the Packers.
But one of those 25th guys got them Ahman Batman Green. And that would have been an excellent 25th pick.
How do you figure?
Who was the first Packers QB to pass for 400+ yards in a winning effort?
@PackLandVA posted:The 25th pick has not been kind to the Packers.
Who says the Packers are staying at #25??
@ilcuqui posted:From Gute’s presser, ongoing:
Gutekunst says Luke Musgrave & Tucker Kraft "were right there" when it came to grades. #Packers went with Musgrave at 42 and couldn't believe Kraft was still there at 78. Just the way the draft goes sometimes.
@ByRyanWood: Brian Gutekunst says picks on first 2 days are "hard to come by." He's got 5 in first 3 rounds. On idea that could help him move back into 1st round: "To use one of those picks to move up, it better be for one of those players you don't feel like you're going to get most years."
I'll bet his heart was racing on picks 75-77 before they got Kraft.
I think the tier between picks 20-60, the players are all virtually the same. Maybe it goes to 45 then tier 3 starts 46. Something like that.
Unless he trades WAY up (John Alt), he's trading down if at all possible.
@YooperPackfan posted:How do you figure?
My bad. It was Fred Vinson, not one the other 2 1st round flunkies they traded for Ahman.
@Chongo posted:ESPN's Jordan Reid final mock for Packers...Kinda DFH...
25. Green Bay Packers
Graham Barton, C, Duke
One of the most impressive non-QB prospects that I saw out on the pro day circuit was Barton. He's an easy mover at 6-foot-5, 313 pounds. Barton spent last season at tackle, but he's projected to move inside at the next level, and he's my top-ranked center. Barton would be a gritty plug-and-play option for a Packers team that has had a lot of success drafting offensive linemen over the past decade.
41. Green Bay Packers (via NYJ)
Edgerrin Cooper, LB, Texas A&M
With a clear lack of depth on the second level of the defense beyond Quay Walker, the Packers could use Cooper's playmaking ability. He had 80 tackles, 14 tackles for loss and eight sacks last season.
58. Green Bay Packers
Cole Bishop, S, Utah
The Packers had inconsistent safety play last season, leading them to sign Xavier McKinney this offseason. Let's keep adding there. Bishop is a versatile player who can make plays in coverage or get home as a blitzer, tallying 59 tackles, two picks and three sacks in 2023.
88. Green Bay Packers
Khyree Jackson, CB, Oregon
Jackson is a long and active corner who would add a flexible skill set to the Packers' secondary; he can play both man and zone coverage.
91. Green Bay Packers (via BUF)
Jaylen Wright, RB, Tennessee
The Packers signed Josh Jacobs in free agency to replace Aaron Jones, but Wright would bring a different element. He's a home run hitter who averaged 7.4 yards per carry (third in the FBS) and had 35 runs for 10-plus yards last season.
126. Green Bay Packers: Gabe Hall, EDGE, Baylor
169. Green Bay Packers*: Braiden McGregor, EDGE, Michigan
202. Green Bay Packers: Kitan Oladapo, S, Oregon State
219. Green Bay Packers*: M.J. Devonshire, CB, Pittsburgh
245. Green Bay Packers: Walter Rouse, OT, Oklahoma
255. Green Bay Packers*: KT Leveston, G, Kansas State
Interesting that Cooper is the only LB selected...
@PackLandVA posted:"2024 will mark the fourth time they have owned the 25th overall selection in the first round (1967, QB Don Horn; 1999, DB Antuan Edwards; and 2004, DB Ahmad Carroll)."
The 25th pick has not been kind to the Packers.
Neither has RD3 but then Tucker Kraft fell from the sky.
@Satori posted:These Packers will be drafting in the bottom 1/3 of the draft for the next few years and its unlikely Gute will have (5) picks in top 91 to work with any time soon.
IF he sees such a player this year, I think he's OK paying the price to go up get him because its likely his best chance between 2024 and 2026
This kind of insight is why I send Satori fruit baskets every April. Money well spent.
A different take.
Another viable scenario is if a team wants to move back into the first round to get a quarterback with a fifth-year option. In that regard, the options would be the New England Patriots at 34 if they don't take a QB at 3, the Las Vegas Raiders at 44, the New Orleans Saints at 45, and maybe the New York Giants at 47. Maybe, the Packers could extract something this year plus a future second-rounder moving back 20 spots, but their board will dictate if it makes sense.
That's what I'm talking about about when I mention the "tiers". I also wonder if Gutey is "hiding" a player like TT used to do (Jordy)
More here.....
@ilcuqui posted:Gutekunst also says Cooper DeJean could play corner or safety; just depends on where you may need him. Praised his athleticism.
I've read this from a few reporters, but in context the question asked was can DeJean play corner, safety, or both?
A leading question that gives Gutekunst an out to provide any real insight into DeJean.
@H5 posted:I've read this from a few reporters, but in context the question asked was can DeJean play corner, safety, or both?
A leading question that gives Gutekunst an out to provide any real insight into DeJean.
In one of the articles at The Athletic, they interviewed GMs and personnel guys and they were all asked about DeJean. One of the responses was:
" Corner/ Safety - doesn't really matter. You bring Cooper in and figure it out once you get your hands on him "
Gute wants versatile, Hafley wants versatile. Hafley doesn't concern himself as much with traditional positions as he does with roles...and DeJean can play all of the roles regardless of what "position" you call him on any given play.
I know some have called Cooper a zone CB and a poor fit for what Hafley wants to do and there's certainly merit in that view. But I'm leaning away from the position-based evals and back towards the idea of taking a swiss army knife for the secondary.
Apparently, that's very appealing to the Packers front office and coaches.
"It had better be a player that you wouldn't normally get a chance at"
Is DeJean that guy ? Opinions vary
We'll all find out sometime on Thursday evening 
They can easily play a hybrid defense on specific plays to confuse the QB.
For instance the outside CB's play man and the inside DB's play zone. It's an interesting concept and one I think Hafley might enjoy.
We'll all find out sometime in September - February 
https://www.wsbradio.com/news/...DJSKERAADE5WEBECZ44/
The 'secret round' is obviously the undrafted free agents. What I found interesting was the 11% that made the 32 teams starting lineups! 
As expected, declining numbers of players selected in Round 4 (77), Round 5 (52), Round 6 (33) and Round 7 (18) reached the starting lineup.
However, 80 undrafted players — more than any of the final four rounds — were in starting lineups in Week 1 of the 2023 season. More than 11 percent of all starters in 2023 went undrafted.
But is he better than Josh Jackson, that is the real question. I remember there were those in here wanting the Packers to draft that kid in the 1st round. (I think I was one of them) He was horrible so there is so much we think we know and what we really know. In Gute we Trust-E pluribus Unum-Lets make a Packer coin with those sayings on it.
Vic Ketchman still echoing through the board.
"It's players, not plays."
"Think more role than position."
A predicted list.
@mrtundra posted:Interesting that Cooper is the only LB selected...
I love the first 5. I have doubts Jaylen Wright lasts until pick 91. He could go in the 2nd round to somebody.
@Floridarob posted:But is he better than Josh Jackson, that is the real question. I remember there were those in here wanting the Packers to draft that kid in the 1st round. (I think I was one of them) He was horrible so there is so much we think we know and what we really know. In Gute we Trust-E pluribus Unum-Lets make a Packer coin with those sayings on it.
I'm thinking more is he as good as Micah Hyde.
Found on the Internet: Prediction: Green Bay trades #25, #88, and Bo Melton to Denver for their #12 pick. GB drafts Terrion Arnold, CB.
I sure as hell hope not!!!!
