Appears MLF was as tired of the passive defense as most fans were.
Looking back, I think I like how MLF handled Barry. It's a good message to coaches coming in and for those already here. You're not a scapegoat, but you are accountable.
@vitaflo posted:ESPN's @PeteThamel reports "some -- or all" of the Packers current assistant defensive coaches could return under Jeff Hafley.
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) February 1, 2024
Also says Hafley is a long-time friend of Matt LaFleur.
Hope this works out
One of the Packer beat writers said that Murphy doesn't like paying coaches to not coach. And that whoever they picked as DC is going to need to be ok with keeping most of the current assistant coaches.
But it's ok to pay players....like Rodgers, $40M when you should've listened to Gutey and traded him before 2022 season....got it.
Also.....aren't they paying Berry this year? His contract wasn't over from what we've been told.
Hey Murphy Just because.....you can't turn 70 fast enough. GTFO
@michiganjoe posted:Appears MLF was as tired of the passive defense as most fans were.
I think this hire speaks a ton to what MLF (and all of us) have been wanting in a DC. Younger coach, uses Press and man corners, more four man DL, and taking it to the offense. Will it work? we won't know for awhile but it definitely is intriguing getting away from the tired old Fangio defenses.
The thing that concerns me about playing a 4 man front is stopping the run. We could absolutely not do it when using a 4 man front this season, and neither can the 49ers, even though they are supposed to have the best front and LBers in the game.
@packerboi posted:Will the Packers change to a 4-3?
Packers fans can expect to see a LOT more in 2024:
— Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap 💰 (@KenIngalls) February 1, 2024
-Hand on the ground 4-man defensive fronts
-Press man cornerback coverage
-Roaming center field free safeties
Basically, the complete opposite of what we've been used to.
The complete opposite, you say? Well, it worked for this guy:
Let the "Art of Seduction" gebin!
@FLPACKER posted:The thing that concerns me about playing a 4 man front is stopping the run. We could absolutely not do it when using a 4 man front this season, and neither can the 49ers, even though they are supposed to have the best front and LBers in the game.
TJ Slaton. AKA Grave Digger 2.0:
Kid has really come on as the season went on. Also, Karl Brooks can be a force.
Casual TJ Slaton masterclass (sound on) pic.twitter.com/H3khip0aUT
— Sam Holman (@Sam_DHolman) January 5, 2023
FWIW, considering your opinion of Fennell.
So new Packers DC Jeff Hafley
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) February 1, 2024
First things that immediately stand out on BC Defense film that DIFFER from Joe Barry general philosophy:
3rd Down Man Coverage
6-Man Pressure Concepts
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College football: Houston, we have a problem.
From The Insiders on @NFLNetwork: The #Packers hiring Jeff Hafley from Boston College is a big NFL story and an even bigger college football story. pic.twitter.com/kjwYJel3a0
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 1, 2024
I want the defense OFF the field and the Packers offense ON the field for most of the game.
None of this defense plays 90 plays and offense scores lightning strikes putting the defense back out there again.....it's exhausting for those defenders especially since the rules are geared towards offense.
Probably why we lost 4th quarter leads. Defense was gassed.
The obvious downsides of aggresive press coverage is getting beat by big plays. I would expect this year for us to get a lot of 3-and-outs and also give up some 80 yard bombs.
One benefit to that however is your D doesn't get tired either way. The Barry scheme of making teams get 7 first downs in order to score is fine on paper because it gives you more chances to get off the field, but it also means if the offense scores (even if it's a FG) the D is gassed.
Part of being aggressive means keeping the D fresh for longer even if our offense struggles.
https://www.acmepackingcompany...-coaching-staff-2024
Jerry Montgomery has clearly done a great job for the Pack since 2015....the D-Line usually plays very well. He's one of the folks I hope sticks unless Hafley has someone better in mind? If you have someone better Jeff.....show me
Another benefit of this hire is what it will mean for our young offense. They'll get to spend each week, and camp, working against a press defense. They'll be better able to play against teams that do that.
@Pikes Peak posted:Yup, I’ll give him a game or two.
First two preseason games seems fair to me.
@mrtundra posted:Sherman is trying to make a name for himself on the TV sports shows as an analyst. If this coach, or any other person, had anything to do with the 49ers, Sherman would be singing his praises. Sherman railed against the Packers after they lost to the 49ers. I do not think he and I watched the same game. The Packers could have won that game, not that Sherman would ever admit it.
I'm not doubting Sherman has a high opinion of Hafley. I'm saying anything that has to do with GB, Sherman shouldn't be cited as some knower of things. It's one thing to say you don't believe GB fans appreciated Rodgers or you don't think Love will be the guy. It's another to go in on it the way he did. Cocky as fuck and "welcome to mediocrity as long as Love is in GB." Fans aside, you don't do that shit to a young player, especially when he hasn't even stepped on the field as a starter. Sherman's a scumbag.
The glass is Hafley full. Or is that empty?
Cronyism strikes again. It better work out and work out fast or MLF needs so be run out of Dodge, or Cadillac, or especially out of Green Bay.
InterestingGive that man some kielbasa and cheese curds stat
@DocBenni posted:Hafley is going to be the savior of this defense. The offense is will become unstoppable with a defense that strikes fear into the hearts of all opponents.
This team will become the envy of every fan from every team ever!
...until Anders Carlson trots on the field
@Benzene posted:Give that man some kielbasa and cheese curds stat
When you say "that man", I'm hoping you you're referring to me
@Shadow posted:Looking back, I think I like how MLF handled Barry. It's a good message to coaches coming in and for those already here. You're not a scapegoat, but you are accountable.
Firing him prior to the 2023 season was justified. I'm sure someone who likes stats can make an easy case.
Perhaps if we had a competent DC we would have met SF in the NFCCC game instead of the divisional round. Perhaps we make a stop in crunch time against SF.
I disagree that he handled it well, I think he wasted a year by bringing him back.
@vitaflo posted:The obvious downsides of aggresive press coverage is getting beat by big plays. I would expect this year for us to get a lot of 3-and-outs and also give up some 80 yard bombs.
One benefit to that however is your D doesn't get tired either way. The Barry scheme of making teams get 7 first downs in order to score is fine on paper because it gives you more chances to get off the field, but it also means if the offense scores (even if it's a FG) the D is gassed.
Part of being aggressive means keeping the D fresh for longer even if our offense struggles.
When you have a great offense, you want to maximize the amount of possessions you get.
The risk of giving up the quick 7 is well worth it because the reward of the 3 n outs equates to many more possessions for you offense.
Let's say our offense averages 3 points per possession. Allowing the other team to control the clock and give you 8 possessions in a game equates to 24 points. If you can bump that up to 10, you are at 30 points.
Also, consider that the likelihood of giving up scores as the game goes on increases the more time your defense has spent on the field.
I know this sounds moneyballish, but its sound logic. When you have a shitty offense, like in basketball, it makes sense to slow the game down. When you are the more talented offense, you want to go UNLV run and gun.
@D J posted:The glass is Hafley full. Or is that empty?
Cronyism strikes again. It better work out and work out fast or MLF needs so be run out of Dodge, or Cadillac, or especially out of Green Bay.
Where the hell is everyone getting this "cronyism" ... based on one article that says they have been longtime friends? They've never worked with each other, not from the same area of the country. Their only tie is that Hafley worked with Saleh and Shanahan, who are close friends of MLF.
@BrainDed posted:Firing him prior to the 2023 season was justified. I'm sure someone who likes stats can make an easy case.
Perhaps if we had a competent DC we would have met SF in the NFCCC game instead of the divisional round. Perhaps we make a stop in crunch time against SF.
I disagree that he handled it well, I think he wasted a year by bringing him back.
MLF has done enough positive things in GB that there is reason to hope he has learned from his Barry mistake and hired a winner in Halfley.
But MLF did not HANDLE Barry well any more than he handled Mo Drayton well.
Neither one of them should have been hired in the first place and keeping Barry in 2023 was nothing more than doubling down on the initial error.
I do like how open Hafley has been about why he's leaving college coaching, and I can see how NIL has changed the game. The NIL is good for the athletes, but the rich will only get richer. I've read that now kids are shopping for where they can get the best guaranteed NIL $$$, and booster clubs, etc., have to pump money into NIL rather than the entire team, scholarships, facilities, etc. Big-time college ball is a mess.
Maybe if more college coaches left, they could figure out a way to get a grip on it. Either that or they'll make another layer of competition: $1 million+ NIL league, D1, D2, D3.
Is there a team in the league that plays defense similar to what hafley has shown?. Seattle maybe? Jets maybe? No. Yes...
I think (hope) like the Jets did in 2023.
@BrainDed posted:I know this sounds moneyballish, but its sound logic. When you have a shitty offense, like in basketball, it makes sense to slow the game down. When you are the more talented offense, you want to go UNLV run and gun.
In terms of complementary football, it makes total sense. Admittedly, it was surprising down the stretch how well the offense sustained drives. For such a young team, what they were able to do in the last 5-6 weeks of the season was impressive. But in its second year, hopefully the system will unlock the athleticism and they strike quickly when they pick their spots.
Even watching from the living room, the thought of the defense going back on the field after a td didn't inspire confidence. Even when GB had leads. I can't imagine a defensive guy on the sideline being overly enthusiastic to see the same scenario play out most weeks. Even the most professional of players probably had to take a deep breath knowing the next series could be 10-15 plays simply because of defensive philosophy. This has been an issue during Barry's whole tenure, and I'd bet a change in scheme alone has to be some relief for the core guys coming back. Who wouldn't be excited at the prospect of shorter drives and fresher legs in the 4th qtr?
@FLPACKER posted:Where the hell is everyone getting this "cronyism" ... based on one article that says they have been longtime friends? They've never worked with each other, not from the same area of the country. Their only tie is that Hafley worked with Saleh and Shanahan, who are close friends of MLF.
Because it's a narrative. 
It's not like they shared binky's in preschool.
I'd bet coaches at that level have probably crossed paths or have a connection somehow to 60% of the other coaches in the NFL. It's a small fraternity.
Thanks DJoldie....