Yah, I wondered about that statement too.
@Boris posted:Good call Dave...I think Van Ness just needs to get that twist and body lean thing going. That's the thing Clay Matthews had...arm over and ducking under an O-Line trying to block him but Clay was already by the guy heading to the QB.
I understand where you're going with this but that might not be fair to expect of LVN. You need a lot of bend at OLB to do the things CM3 did. LVN is stiff as a surf board. CM3 was more like a diving board. LVN needs to find his own dominant moves to consistently beat people. You don't need as much bend at defensive end. I think I saw him wearing a tshirt with that slogan.
@DH13 posted:LVN is stiff as a surf board. LVN needs to find his own dominant moves to consistently beat people.
Indeed.
LVN already has a very powerful bull rush and that's scary for an OL.
Nothing is a bigger bitch- slap to your manhood than getting walked back into the QB. Repeatedly. As the OTs gird for his head-on attack, he can counter.
Check out his highlights below; Van Ness also ran down both Fields and Mahomes as they were trying to run away from him. He's quite the athlete.
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Here's highlights on Karl Brooks - that dude had a heck of a season.
Knocked down 5 passes, blocked a FG, forced a fumble, recovered 2 fumbles and delivered 4 sacks and 5 QB hits. That's fantastic for any DL - but for a 6th round rookie its even more amazing. Brooks earned his playing time in 2023, netting 34 % of defensive snaps last year
Relevant because the new DC didn't want to deal with NIL.
Tulsa coach basically tells a kid to get bent when the kid attempting to transfer asks for NIL money.
"1st thing I'd do is drop the dogs. I don't know about the girl." 😂
— TJ Eckert (@TJEckertKTUL) February 7, 2024
Tulsa HC Kevin Wilson breaking down an actual text exchange with a recruit about what they'll get in NIL money if they came to TU.
Must listen. pic.twitter.com/0IajNez5r7
@Boris posted:Looking forward to Rashaan Gary having better stamina in 2024
Remember when he claimed to have sub 10% body fat? My guy had wrinkles in his tits and though he was sub 10..bahahahahah
Packers and LaFleur get Jeff Hafley.
Cowboys and McCarthy get Mike Zimmer.
It'll be interesting to see their plan for Preston. He was their best defensive player overall this year and may be a tweener in the new scheme's base, if they really are going 4-3, which admittedly sours me on the hire if you think they'll seriously compete for a Super Bowl next year.
It doesn't look like a good draft for off-ball linebackers and if Campbell is gone, they really only have one in Quay. In theory they could try to have Preston drop ten pounds and play SLB, but that potentially puts him in coverage more, not less.
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Hafley grabbed LB coach from Miami - Campenelli
Hafley grabbed DC from Chargers - Ansley
Here are both depth charts below and players in gold are FAs.
Sometimes coaches like to bring their favorite players along to the new destination... and sometimes their players will follow.
Andrew Van Ginkel, come on home!
Versatile player, not expensive, might be doable.
Will be interesting to see if the Packers draft any Boston College players. Should have pretty good insider info
@PackLandVA posted:Packers and LaFleur get Jeff Hafley.
Cowboys and McCarthy get Mike Zimmer.
Zimmer and MM? They should do a Hard Knocks: "Grumpy Old Men, Part 3."
@Satori posted:Here's highlights on Karl Brooks - that dude had a heck of a season.
Knocked down 5 passes, blocked a FG, forced a fumble, recovered 2 fumbles and delivered 4 sacks and 5 QB hits. That's fantastic for any DL - but for a 6th round rookie its even more amazing. Brooks earned his playing time in 2023, netting 34 % of defensive snaps last year
I can't wait to see him put on some more muscle. Except for strength -- and he's a young pup -- he has long arms and a great sense of timing to knock the ball down. He also has a motor and moves almost like a linebacker. He and Clark will make a deadly combo.
Remember all the hopes that were held for Letroy Guion Johnny Jolly after the purple drank incident? Guion Jolly had a knack for knocking down passes too. Brooks is the best version of Johnny Jolly Letroy Guion. Only young and hopefully smarter with certain decisions.
Quote from soon-to-be free agent FS Jordan Fuller
The Green Bay Packers have a new defensive coordinator in town in the form of former Boston College Eagles head coach Jeff Hafley, and even though he has yet to see his first game or hold practice with the NFC North division franchise, some people are already high on him.
Among them is Los Angeles Rams defensive back Jordan Fuller, who saw how Hafley worked during their time with the Ohio State Buckeyes.
“His name was, ‘The Wizard,'” Fuller said
“I think his superpower is his mind and how he sees the game and how he understands the game,” Fuller added.
“His in-game adjustments and him having us ready for certain looks that offenses would give us and stuff like that, it really felt like he gave us a winning edge.”
“He’s really good at helping guys to see certain things the way he sees it and it really, really slows the game down,” Fuller said. “He’s really good at teaching guys route concepts and if you’re able to see maybe like a couple things at once right before the play, it could tell you a whole lot about what you’re expecting.
I remember being with him for the first time … say you’re in man-to-man.
When you’re young in the game, you could be expecting every single route concept … but he taught me that it really didn’t have to go down like that.
It was really, if you look at the sets and the formations and stuff like that, you can really rule out a whole bunch of stuff and it allows guys to play a whole lot faster.”
former 49er CB Dick Sherman comments on playing for Hafley
“I think ‘Haf’ is a great coach that focuses on the details. Always has a great plan and adjustments,” said Richard Sherman, who played for Hafley when he was the 49ers’ defensive backs coach in 2018. “
His team will see the looks they will see on Sundays throughout the week because of the time he puts in studying and understanding offenses.
He’s going to be a great fit.”
more quotes on Hafley, via The Athletic
this one from Isaiah McDuffie who played for him at BC
“Early on in my college career, I was kinda more like a hybrid position, but he seen something in me and he was like, ‘We’re gonna move you to inside linebacker’ and he knew that’s what I was gonna play in the NFL,” McDuffie said. “So just getting the opportunity to do that, I feel like, was huge and just developing me and teaching me the game at a higher level.
“He’s just genuine. He’s gonna tell you how it is and he’s gonna keep it real and he’s a very likeable guy to begin with, too. At the end of the day, he’s been in the game and he has a good track record and guys are gonna see that and they’re gonna respect that, so at the end of the day, I feel like things are definitely gonna click.”
McDuffie agreed with Sherman’s assessment that Hafley left no stone unturned during the week of preparation before a game.
“Always,” McDuffie said. “That’s one of the biggest things. What we see during practice is what we’re gonna get in a game. He was always super diligent in practice, getting us those looks, because he does his studies and he breaks down his film so precisely that he knows what we’re gonna get in a game.”
@Packiderm posted:Johnny Jolly
Ooof! You may be right. Guion was the guy who washed out of GB and ended up a good DL in NE.
@pkr_north posted:gilman and van ginkel
If you've been injured in a car accident.....
@DH13 posted:Ooof! You may be right. Guion was the guy who washed out of GB and ended up a good DL in NE.
Guion was the former viking who got popped with weed, guns and $$ and followed that up with a DUI in Hawaii, ending his time in Titletown
"Packers defensive tackle Letroy Guion had almost $200,000 and over 350 grams of marijuana with him when he was arrested on Tuesday in Florida."
A DL who went on to success in NE was Lawrence Guy, a late rounder that GB let go before he was fully krausened.
Guy, Guion, just a guy? I'm like richard simmons. Can't keep all these guys straight.
@Satori posted:Quote from soon-to-be free agent FS Jordan Fuller
The Green Bay Packers have a new defensive coordinator in town in the form of former Boston College Eagles head coach Jeff Hafley, and even though he has yet to see his first game or hold practice with the NFC North division franchise, some people are already high on him.
Among them is Los Angeles Rams defensive back Jordan Fuller, who saw how Hafley worked during their time with the Ohio State Buckeyes.
“His name was, ‘The Wizard,'” Fuller said
“I think his superpower is his mind and how he sees the game and how he understands the game,” Fuller added.
“His in-game adjustments and him having us ready for certain looks that offenses would give us and stuff like that, it really felt like he gave us a winning edge.”
“He’s really good at helping guys to see certain things the way he sees it and it really, really slows the game down,” Fuller said. “He’s really good at teaching guys route concepts and if you’re able to see maybe like a couple things at once right before the play, it could tell you a whole lot about what you’re expecting.
I remember being with him for the first time … say you’re in man-to-man.
When you’re young in the game, you could be expecting every single route concept … but he taught me that it really didn’t have to go down like that.
It was really, if you look at the sets and the formations and stuff like that, you can really rule out a whole bunch of stuff and it allows guys to play a whole lot faster.”
Did he say in game adjustments???😳
I didn't sign up for The Leap, but yesterday's blurb on the GBP defense said things may not be as rosy as we'd like to believe with the new guys. While I didn't read the article ($$), here's part of the blurb:
"Multiple sources tell The Leap that some of the position-coach changes were not met with glee from all the key stakeholders on defense. It wasn’t just who left either. In at least one case, the retained coach in question played a major role in a perceived lack of in-game adjustments and situational coaching. He was seen more as a motivator than a technical guru which raises the question of who will handle those nuances on the new staff." The Leap, Feb. 13
I think the gist of this is that us fans should pump the brakes...
The gist of this is the sky is falling for the 2024 season already. How DARE there be some excitement for a new Defensive Coaching staff
How DARE you!
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@Iowacheese posted:The gist of this is the sky is falling for the 2024 season already. How DARE there be some excitement for a new Defensive Coaching staff
JFC
I ain't pumping no brakes, our cars have had ABS installed for decades. 
And if anybody is concerned about "feeling too good" about the Packers new DC - just go back and read the first couple pages of this thread - enough angst to last several lifetimes.
Playing defense in the NFL is approximately 25% talent and 75% attitude and that attitude is what was missing.
Attitude is a reflection of leadership
Also, give me football players over athletes on Defense. Give me Zach Thomas at 5’2” over the cross fit champion.
Players not all being giddy over defensive changes means absolutely nothing to the results on the field. You can't win by voting whether or not you like a coach.
The defensive players should be embracing change because even though they would never say it publicly they have to know what was being done before just wasn't working .
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Opinions Vary...but here's Justis Mosqueda talking about who/what Hafley will be looking for at DT and DE. Its a little bit different than what you read from others
https://www.acmepackingcompany...th-chart-kenny-clark
" Hafley’s 4-3 defense should mimic what the San Francisco 49ers, Houston Texans and New York Jets are running under defensive coaches from the same coaching tree.
The idea that the Packers will now want big, edge-setting defensive ends is simply not rooted in reality.
Look at who these teams have added recently. The Houston Texans traded up to the third overall pick to select pass-rusher Will Anderson Jr., who is listed at 243 pounds, in last years draft. The New York Jets rush the passer with 255-pounder Bryce Huff and 2023 first-round pick Will McDonald, who comes in at just 241 pounds. The San Francisco 49ers made three moves at defensive end this season, adding Chase Young (264 pounds), Randy Gregory (242 pounds) and Clelin Ferrell (265 pounds).
Green Bay isn’t going to be running a 4-3 under defense, which functionally is a 4-3 defense with 3-4 personnel. An example of that is when the Seattle Seahawks were doing just that and had hulking Red Bryant play end at 320-plus pounds.
Instead, the Packers will be playing a true 4-3 stack, which with Hafley’s single-high structure means that they’re going to need a hell of a pass-rushing unit.
Think about it from this perspective: Playing a dropdown safety with a 4-3 stack defense means that you’re inviting the pass, particularly crossing routes that have a high level of success against single-high coverages. The answer for Houston, New York and San Francisco on these routes is to simply get after the passer quicker, as it becomes a race to the quarterback before he can actually throw that ball.
That’s why you should expect Brooks and Wooden to play three-technique and not end. Think smaller bodies that can get after the quarterback all across the offensive line, as the defense will now be inviting the pass with just a single safety deep behind the box. "
That's really interesting because the common theme I seem to remember reading about evaluations of draft picks for the last several years, along the DL, was that they all had some pass rushing juice but lacked more run stopping ability. The GB D has had trouble stopping the run since it seems like forever and a common criticism I hear of the modern 4-3 is it's lack of being able to stop the run. For whatever all of that is worth, it looks like our pass rush may improve but run D may not.
I reread the first couple of pages when Joe Berry was first hired, and there was lots of enthusiasm for his talk of letting players play, creating pressure etc. But also questions about his prior lack of success as DC.
So for now I’m excited about HAFLEY and his aggressive approach. Curious to see how his 4-3 translates in GB. I’m ok giving up some big plays if we bring consistent pressure that creates stops and turnovers.
The way I see it the DL just rush. If you see a RB with the ball, tackle him. If you see the RB setting up to block keep rushing the QB. Maybe that is too simple, but that is what it boils down to for me. I doubt if Davis, Kostelnik, Jordan and Aldridge or White, Dotson, Brown and Jones worried about more than that.
@DH13 posted:That's really interesting because the common theme I seem to remember reading about evaluations of draft picks for the last several years, along the DL, was that they all had some pass rushing juice but lacked more run stopping ability.
Sort of.
What Gute said post-draft was that modern offenses featured more running QBs and way more WR screens - both of which require DL with lateral movement skills.
The Big Guys who take on double teams are still gonna screw themselves into the ground, but the other DL need mobility to assist on those plays. So he drafted Brooks and Wooden with that in mind.
As far as run stoppage...In the past, the Packers DC's were strategic about run vs pass and Pettine talked about it at length when he was here.
IF you have a high- scoring offense under AR, then its highly unlikely teams will have the testicular fortitude to beat you with the run. At some point they're gonna panic a little and throw more passes to catch up on the scoreboard. Stopping the pass was Job 1 and they could live with a little bit of gashing on the run side. Fans hate it, but strategically it made sense and that's complimentary football.
No defense can do both really well on every play, so it comes down to:
How to you wish to die ? 
Now here comes Hafley and apparently he likes single- high instead of 2 deep safeties all the time. What that means is that you have an extra defender in the box in run support. That numbers advantage is probably more important than the relative stoutness of your DTs in terms of stopping the running game.
@Satori posted:Now here comes Hafley and apparently he likes single- high instead of 2 deep safeties all the time. What that means is that you have an extra defender in the box in run support. That numbers advantage is probably more important than the relative stoutness of your DTs in terms of stopping the running game.
As long as Jaire (and maybe Stokes too?) Can shut down a couple WRs, the Pack should be in good shape.
Still need that safety or someone else to cover guys like LaPorta. Fortunately the Packers have a couple good TEs that can replicate that during practice.
Let's get to work boys!
@ammo posted:The way I see it the DL just rush. If you see a RB with the ball, tackle him. If you see the RB setting up to block keep rushing the QB. Maybe that is too simple, but that is what it boils down to for me. I doubt if Davis, Kostelnik, Jordan and Aldridge or White, Dotson, Brown and Jones worried about more than that.
Not at all that simple. In the run game DLineman have gap responsibilities that coincide with the LBers. If they just "rush the QB" they will lose gap control and get shredded, especially by cut backs.