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Originally Posted by Boneio:
Originally Posted by excalibur:

Not behind EDS for certain. A rollout was probably better. Good weather, try the FG. MM doesn't trust Crosby, then why is he the kicker?

How about behind Matt Birk?

Little late to the game? I'm sure all football fans instantly recognized his name.  I'm sure you did too..... Right. On all Packers fans lips.

 

BTW..... He wasn't a starter for his first two seasons so using him as an example about relying on a rookie from Cornell playing Center in 2013 was silly.

Originally Posted by slowmo:

Yep, why would any Packers fan know the name of a guy who was an all-pro center for years for the Vikings, and played for them until 2009?

Absolutely! Packers fans know all Vikings players names in an instant, especially O-Linemen. Of course you knew it instantly when first referenced you're such a genius.

 

IOW..... Meaningless.

 Originally Posted by excalibur:
Originally Posted by slowmo:

Yep, why would any Packers fan know the name of a guy who was an all-pro center for years for the Vikings, and played for them until 2009?

Absolutely! Packers fans know all Vikings players names in an instant, especially O-Linemen. Of course you knew it instantly when first referenced hours ago you're such a genius.

 

IOW..... Meaningless.

 

Originally Posted by antiworst:

The fact that he played 15 years in the league and was a 6 time pro-bowler, played most of his career against a division rival, and you never heard of him is kind of astounding.

Name didn't ring a bell while I was having a heated discussion. Woe is me. You can't be serious, can you, really?

 

The name was raised originally in reference to the Packers pick from Cornell, Tretter. I said relying on a rookie from Cornell was a stretch. Then the poster responded with Birk's name. Implying BTW that he had started a s a rookie since that was the thread of the conversation.  But Birk did not start a game as a rookie nor as a second year player.

 

http://www.pro-football-refere...ayers/B/BirkMa00.htm

Last edited by excalibur
Originally Posted by excalibur:
Originally Posted by antiworst:

The fact that he played 15 years in the league and was a 6 time pro-bowler, played most of his career against a division rival, and you never heard of him is kind of astounding.

Name didn't ring a bell while I was having a heated discussion. Woe is me. You can't be serious, can you, really?

 

The name was raised originall yin reference the Packers pick from Cornell, Tretter. I said relying on a rookie from Cornell was a stretch. Then the poster responded with Birk's name. Implying BTW that he had started a s a rookie since that was the thread of the conversation.  But Birk did not start a game as a rookie nor as a second year player.

That's not true. He didn't say Birk started as a rookie. This is the exact quote:

"A wicked smart, athletic baller from the Ivy League manning the center position?  *cough cough* Matt Birk *excalibur is a putz, cough*."

 

He simply said that Matt Birk was an excellent center after YOU implied that an Ivy League player couldn't man the position. You've beat this "Cornell" thing to death. 

 

Originally Posted by excalibur:
Originally Posted by slowmo:
Originally Posted by Pakrz:

KFFL called... they're missing their village idiot.

Nah, I think they are happy to have sent the idiot here.

And you're arguing with me makes you what? What a bunch of friendly guys around here. Don't worry, I'm not going any place. Say something against Saint Ted and they go all gay.

LOL.  Pointing out you're a moron is, in your mind, arguing with you?  And now you're going all homophobic on us?  

Originally Posted by excalibur:
Originally Posted by slowmo:
Originally Posted by Pakrz:

KFFL called... they're missing their village idiot.

Nah, I think they are happy to have sent the idiot here.

And you're arguing with me makes you what? What a bunch of friendly guys around here. Don't worry, I'm not going any place. Say something against Saint Ted and they go all gay.

Ah... the gay reference.  Can it get any better?

Originally Posted by antiworst:
Originally Posted by excalibur:
Originally Posted by antiworst:

The fact that he played 15 years in the league and was a 6 time pro-bowler, played most of his career against a division rival, and you never heard of him is kind of astounding.

Name didn't ring a bell while I was having a heated discussion. Woe is me. You can't be serious, can you, really?

 

The name was raised originall yin reference the Packers pick from Cornell, Tretter. I said relying on a rookie from Cornell was a stretch. Then the poster responded with Birk's name. Implying BTW that he had started a s a rookie since that was the thread of the conversation.  But Birk did not start a game as a rookie nor as a second year player.

That's not true. He didn't say Birk started as a rookie. This is the exact quote:

"A wicked smart, athletic baller from the Ivy League manning the center position?  *cough cough* Matt Birk *excalibur is a putz, cough*."

 

He simply said that Matt Birk was an excellent center after YOU implied that an Ivy League player couldn't man the position. You've beat this "Cornell" thing to death. 

 

 I stressed a "rookie" from Cornell, I never said, nor implied, that an Ivy League player couldn't be  a player in the league, show me where I said that. Go on since you have time to spare searching posts.

 

Problem was and is EDS. Counting on Tretter was not realistic this season.

While EDS stinks and the line played like crap today, it wasn't the main contributor to the loss.

 

Sticking with Ross since his fumble and the loss in the playoffs is inexcusable.  There are 20 guys watching st home and waiting for a call who might have a little less talent but are more reliable..  It's a rare case where the TT philosophy of going with the young guy has gone very wrong.

Try as I might, I just can't get as torn up over this loss like I did the one vs San Fran. It may be the breakdowns that did occur were somewhat expected, or maybe the excitement from the good play we had, or it could be that we did everything but win the game.

 

We've still got problems on the OL that could get worse before they get better. We've still got problems in the defensive backfield and getting guys healthy remains key to solving them. And injuries still remain the biggest threat to the overall team.

 

WE do, however, have some running backs that are (were?) doing well. Franklin was a HUGE surprise! We've got a very solid DL and a decent rush defense thus far. The blitz was much better today, although that may be more of a reflection of the Bengals O-line. And we've got some guys showing up to play on gameday; if we could only get more of them to do the same....

 

Our bye week is very timely in hopes to get some guys ready to play, but I do hate it's so early in the season. It's going to be a long grind to the finish.

Our priorities MUST remain the same, though, and that is to win the division first. With that said, it's hard to say that the divisional games this year have any more significance than any other year, but it could be critical judging by the way the first quarter of the season has unfolded. It surely helped to have the Vikings, 49ers, Falcons, and Giants lose today, and Philly on Thursday, but we're still 2 games behind 3 teams (including Chitcago), and the H2H loss to the Niners.

It goes without saying we need to win the next quarter of this season, and hopefully at least pull even with these other teams.

 

We’re into the thick of the NFL football season and there are many teams still claiming to be good, or claiming to have good players, but in the world of sports it’s all about wins and losses. At the end of the day, it’s about the walk and not the talk.

β€œYou are what your record says you are.” - Bill Parcells, Former NFL Coach and Superbowl Winner

 

Ok. You may return to the everything is seashells and balloons spin.

I had no problem with the 4th down call. Franklins not the guy you want carrying it though. With Lacy and Starks on the bench I would have liked to have seen Rodgers keep the handoff and bootleg it like he did against Chicago in the NFC Championship. Needed a little creativity there based on being down both starting RB's,

The second int from Rodgers was the crusher. It was so totally unlike him to make a careless pass like that in that situation. If GB simply gets any points on that drive GB is winning the game.

Glad the bye is hitting now. I expect it will be another few years before we see another game like that from AR. Like last year it's all about division games.

I just felt that Rodgers had a much likelier chance of diving ahead behind EDS or Sitton for 6 fricking inches versus handing off to a non-power back who was 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage.  I have a hard time believing that Rodgers wouldn't have been able to dive ahead for half a foot.  That play was never going to get the first down.

Pouncey started for PIT as a rook and they rode him all the way to SB45.

 

One of the things a team has to deal with when they play/start so many rook and 2nd year guys is the mistakes.  There were plenty of other mistakes by older vets yesterday and vs. SF but Hyde, Lacy, Franklin, Jennings, McMillian, even Baker's Square have had some key gaffes that you could say led to points the other way.

 

One of the key things a DnD team relies on is the progress of their players and in GB's case, their rooks, because so many are starting or logging significant time.  If things go according to plan, we won't see anymore games like this in the second half or last quarter of the season.  I just hope we're not too far behind by then.


Originally Posted by excalibur:

  I stressed a "rookie" from Cornell, I never said, nor implied, that an Ivy League player couldn't be  a player in the league, show me where I said that. Go on since you have time to spare searching posts.

Problem was and is EDS. Counting on Tretter was not realistic this season.


So, it's ok to count on a rookie, except if he's from Cornell. Cornell players must be in their 2nd NFL season minimum before they can be relied on, because Matt Birk went to Harvard and didn't start right away. Am I getting this right?

Haven't had stupid like this around here for some time.

As good as this team is, it is disappointing to see how easy it is for them to lose the close games. McGinn had  a good article today about that. I do not know if it is the play calling or the players have brain freezes that affect their play but the fact is, this team rarely comes back when they absolutely have to in the 4th quarter. Even when the score was 14 -0 in the first I felt good the team would come back but down by 4 with 4 minutes to play yesterday I felt they were going to make a mistake and not get it done. Many times the team gets in a position to win only to miss a pass, get a sack, or miss a field goal. As good as this team is, there is definetely an issue with those type games.

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
I had no problem with the 4th down call. Franklins not the guy you want carrying it though. With Lacy and Starks on the bench I would have liked to have seen Rodgers keep the handoff and bootleg it like he did against Chicago in the NFC Championship. Needed a little creativity there based on being down both starting RB's,

The second int from Rodgers was the crusher. It was so totally unlike him to make a careless pass like that in that situation. If GB simply gets any points on that drive GB is winning the game.

Glad the bye is hitting now. I expect it will be another few years before we see another game like that from AR. Like last year it's all about division games.

 

I agree, the play call would be ok with Starks, Lacy or Kuhn, but not with a 5'10 200 pounder.   Plus, the interior D-Line is the strength of that opponent.   It wasn't a horrible call, but it wasn't creative, that's for sure. 

The 2nd INT is a pass Rodgers throws to Jordy on a regular basis and it often leads to a catch as he goes up and over the defender.   This time it was a little flat and it was to Cobb, who isn't going over a defender like Jordy can.   Not a horrible decision, but based on personnel he should have thrown a different type of ball.   It's not like he threw into double coverage, it was just short or the wrong ball to that particular receiver.

all this week to week, day to day, prognosticating these talking heads do is just so they have something to talk about.  don't mean a thing.  I ain't blind and I know what I see.

why are they all so obsessed with predicting the SB participants and/or winner after each weekend's games?  it's a fool's errand.  wait, that makes sense then.

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