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Originally Posted by Pakrz:
Originally Posted by Koopla Krash:

I realize Burnett/Heyward being out are a big loss to the defense, but holy fVck - why does the middle of the defense look so open all the time?  Any team with a decent pass-receiving TE is going to be extremely difficult to deal with, even after the banged-up guys come back.  I just hope the pass-rush can get much more improved to help overcome this issue.

 

The Dom Capers defenses have always seemed to have this achilles' heel (and it really wasn't that abused today).

Always lost on these debates seems to be the other team.  They get paid to play and coach too.  They study film.  They have talent.  They scheme.  Boldin and Davis are pretty damn good players.  Sure, Hayward and especially Burnett would have helped out but we'll never know.  

What are they scheming to?  Attacking the middle of the defense.  We all can see Hawk is too slow to consistently cover the middle and Brad Jones is probably a bit too untested to really know how he will shake out.  Once SF saw Burnett was out, I expected Davis to go off ala Boldin, except that SF was having too much success with Boldin on the outside.

It's one game and I believe GB is stil one of the elite teams in the NFL.  I just hope Capers figures out some way to cover up what I feel is the weakest part of the defense.

 

By his standards Rodgers had just an average game.  Had the ball six times in the second half.  Lead two TD drives and that's great, but the four other opportunities were all 3 and outs with a total time of possession of  4:44.     

I'm not a big believer in the super high tempo style of offense.  Sounds great until after a game like this when the Packers longest drive lasted all of 2:51.  They always say the concept is to get off as many plays, but that didn't work out so well for us today.  Total plays were 58 us 75 them.       

 

This game was a clash of styles and for ours to work we need to pile on points, take their running game out of the equation, and start creating turnovers in the passing game when they're trying to play catchup.  We try to protect our defense by making games a track meet and seeing if the other team can stay with our tempo.  Kind of a questionable decision considering the missing pieces on defense.     

 

The 49er style is the old approach to slow it down, grind it out, lean on the defense with that big offensive line and when the fourth quarter comes around the defense won't have much gas left.               
 
I think a fast tempo is fine against an equally sized or less talented team but when you go up against an offensive line like the 49ers the goal should be just as much about getting some clock control so the D doesn't get so worn out.  It's happened every time we've played them.  


  

The loss of Burnett was obvious on plays like V. Davis' first touchdown. But on a lot of those plays Boldin was running unmolested through the secondary. No jam etc. It was zone defense with an anemic pass rush. I realize they were playing a reincarnation of the mid-90's Cowboys (my theory is the Ravens sold their souls to the devil) but the defensive secondary play was urine poor and there was no pass rush outside of Matthews. They may as well as benched Nick Perry for another DB.

 

Ok. Now I'm through.

Originally Posted by Pakrz:

I have no problem saying the Niners are a better team than Green Bay.  Mind you, it's not by a large margin but I believe they are.  There's a sizeable gap between their offensive line and defensive front seven and ours.... Except at Center.  

And outside of ILB, the front-seven are fairly comparable, but better teams also minimize mistakes.

SF  is the best team GB will play this year. It was tough watching Boldin and Davis get open but GB's plan was to play zone to keep an eye on Kap as opposed to DB's running man on man. Kap takes advantage of that by pulling it down and running. Take Hayward and Burnett out the secondary and it's going to look like what happened yesterday.

 

GB offense is going to look totally different by mid season. No one had any idea how the retooled OL was going to hold up against that front 7. I think the play calling reflected that. I thought the OL held up well against the best front 7 in football.

 

i didn't think GB was ready to beat SF yesterday. I thought they played a hell of a lot better than I expected. 2 sloppy turnovers sunk them. Couple bad penalties didnt help and MM's decision to accept the penalty to allow SF another chance on 3rd down was brutal. GB had the lead with 6 minutes left and had the ball at the end with a shot. 

 

These two teams are playing again in January. GB is going to look completely different than what we saw yesterday the next time they meet. After watching all the games in week 1 GB and SF are the two best teams in football. I can't wait for the rematch.

Originally Posted by Va. Packer:

They may as well as benched Nick Perry for another DB.

 

Ok. Now I'm through.

Totally disagree with this. On SF's last TD to drive to take the lead in the 4th after Lacy scored. Neal was in at OLB and completely ran upfield and opened up two huge holes for Hunter for 25 yards and Gore for 8 yards.

 

Sometimes trying to make a big play ends up giving up a big play. Those two runs really hurt.

San Fran is the better team.

Whoever does their game-planning, whether it's Hairball or his coordinators, are much better than our guys are. I can say our offensive plan may be right on, and player breakdowns prevent it from fully realized, but Capers has had his ass handed to him twice in a row now.

I suppose it may have been a result from having Burnett and Keyward out, but it seemed to me that defensive backfield communication was a clusterf**k from the get-go, and it didn't improve as the game went on. But it looks just as much like that's poor preparation by the coaches. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle of that, but the bottom line is it's another thing we are deficient in playing the Niners.

There is no comparison of the OL's. Where we have rushes that go for 2 yards, they have rushes that go for 5-6 yards. Where most of our passing plays look like a jailbreak, theirs are calm and cool with Kaperdick having all day to throw. Or run.

Also not much of a comaprison of ILB's. Jones had a poor game again vs the Niners; now is that player or is that scheme? Either way, it sure doesn't work for us. Hawk had 1 good tackle that I recall yesterday; otherwise he was....Hawk.

 

I'm not calling for anybody to get cut or coaches to get fired. Our team is what it is this year, and they just have to make the best of it. Getting injured guys back should help, of course, but overcoming our weaknesses is going to be a chore.

 

It definitely sucks that they lost, but I also came away with a good feeling after this game.  Not having Hayward and Burnett was the difference in this game.  McMillian was awful.  I thought one of his strengths was tackling.  Well, he sure didn't show that yesterday. 

 

After reading this thread it once again makes me wonder if some of you even like the Packers.  The Packers can beat the 49ers and I think they will the next time they play.  I actually think if this game was in Green Bay, they would have won yesterday. 

Originally Posted by Timmy!:

San Fran is the better team.

Whoever does their game-planning, whether it's Hairball or his coordinators, are much better than our guys are. I can say our offensive plan may be right on, and player breakdowns prevent it from fully realized, but Capers has had his ass handed to him twice in a row now.

I suppose it may have been a result from having Burnett and Keyward out, but it seemed to me that defensive backfield communication was a clusterf**k from the get-go, and it didn't improve as the game went on. But it looks just as much like that's poor preparation by the coaches. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle of that, but the bottom line is it's another thing we are deficient in playing the Niners.

There is no comparison of the OL's. Where we have rushes that go for 2 yards, they have rushes that go for 5-6 yards. Where most of our passing plays look like a jailbreak, theirs are calm and cool with Kaperdick having all day to throw. Or run.

Also not much of a comaprison of ILB's. Jones had a poor game again vs the Niners; now is that player or is that scheme? Either way, it sure doesn't work for us. Hawk had 1 good tackle that I recall yesterday; otherwise he was....Hawk.

 

I'm not calling for anybody to get cut or coaches to get fired. Our team is what it is this year, and they just have to make the best of it. Getting injured guys back should help, of course, but overcoming our weaknesses is going to be a chore.

 

Outstanding post.

 

What I find disconcerting is the reality that Harbaugh and Roman are just running circles around Capers. Capers had all off-season to scheme and get ready for this game. And his wrinkle was to treat CK like he was Eric Crouch. They basically sold out against the read option and just let Boldin run wild in the secondary.

 

Last year the excuse was nobody knew the read option was coming and the players. Apparently this year it's injuries to Burnett and Hayward.

 

But save for two great catches by Boldin (one armed grab on sideline and one over middle with two guys draped on him), he was wide open. 49er and Packer players confirmed that the scheme was just to sit back in a zone and watch. You'd hope somewhere around Boldins 150 yards they'd make an adjustment. Nope.

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
Neal was in at OLB and completely ran upfield and opened up two huge holes for Hunter for 25 yards and Gore for 8 yards
On several occasions I noticed Neal getting pushed back as if he was an inflatable doll.  He did not appear to have a very good game.
 
Capers made a big deal about how they were not going to put Tramon on the opponents' best receiver, but I wish he would have made an adjustment once it became apparent that Bolden was exploiting the zone.  MD Jennings and McMillen both looked to be a day late and a dollar short.
 
On the plus side, Matthews had a big game (stupid penalty notwithstanding), as did Raji and Pickett.  I do like the nastiness that Jolly seemingly has brought to the D-line.  Jordy also played pretty well, and that sideline catch was a thing of beauty.
Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:
Last year the excuse was nobody knew the read option was coming and the players. Apparently this year it's injuries to Burnett and Hayward.

I don't subscribe to the injury excuse either. There will guys missing each week. Nature of the game. If the safeties are that incompetent, then they shouldn't be on the roster. Methinks equal if not more blame for the wide open receivers falls on the staff (Capers). I will also note that wide open receivers in the middle of the field is something we've seen over and over during the Capers tenure.

Everyone seems to miss a second bigger ref error in the game then the one that is being reported. Near then end of the first half Rodgers launched a bomb into the end zone. A 49er's defender caught the ball and the Packer receiver caught him , simulative catch.  Now we know from last years Seattle game that that is a offensive TD. Another blown call, this one cost the Packers7  points.

Why would you say that GB is the second best team in football? Why are they better than the Manning-led Broncos for example?
 
Bottom line - the team has serious deficiencies at OL and safety, and both were known during the offseason (particularly OL after Bulaga got hurt). Middle linebacker is also a weakness.
 
Offensively, they admittely cannot control time of possession.
 
 
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

SF  is the best team GB will play this year. It was tough watching Boldin and Davis get open but GB's plan was to play zone to keep an eye on Kap as opposed to DB's running man on man. Kap takes advantage of that by pulling it down and running. Take Hayward and Burnett out the secondary and it's going to look like what happened yesterday.

 

GB offense is going to look totally different by mid season. No one had any idea how the retooled OL was going to hold up against that front 7. I think the play calling reflected that. I thought the OL held up well against the best front 7 in football.

 

i didn't think GB was ready to beat SF yesterday. I thought they played a hell of a lot better than I expected. 2 sloppy turnovers sunk them. Couple bad penalties didnt help and MM's decision to accept the penalty to allow SF another chance on 3rd down was brutal. GB had the lead with 6 minutes left and had the ball at the end with a shot. 

 

These two teams are playing again in January. GB is going to look completely different than what we saw yesterday the next time they meet. After watching all the games in week 1 GB and SF are the two best teams in football. I can't wait for the rematch.

 

Denver-GB would be close to a pick-em game if they met in the SB. SF poses a tougher threat to GB than Denver. And I'd have no issue facing Manning in NY in February. His work outdoors after January 1 hasn't exactly been stellar.

 

Exactly what did you see from GB's OL yesterday that leads you say they are seriously deficient? They were deficient at S yesterday. But that might have to do with Burnett not playing.

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

 They were deficient at S yesterday. But that might have to do with Burnett not playing.

You might be on to something there. 

 

While the OL did admirably most of the game, there were too many 3-and-outs and too many negative runs when it mattered.  They're young and everybody is playing a new position so they'll get better but executing with the game on the line needs to eventually come.

Originally Posted by Hungry5:
SFO 2.6 ypc

GBP 3.3 ypc

We're likely splitting hairs for the most part, H5. While the defense by and large controlled the Niners rushing attack, Kaperdick had at least a 5 yard and a 15 yard on separate series.

On the drive where Gore scored a TD, they were 4/37 on rushes. Hunter had a 23 yarder, and Gore had a 8 yarder.

Gore also had a couple of 4 and 5 yard runs in different series. Again, these were the exceptions rather than the rule, but they were nonetheles allowed.

Originally Posted by Timmy!:

Where we have rushes that go for 2 yards, they have rushes that go for 5-6 yards.  

 

Not splitting hairs based on what you initially posted. Neither team ran well consistently so I didn't agree with Packers go for 2 and 9ers go for 5-6 yards comment. What actually happened in the game does not support your statement.

Originally Posted by Koopla Krash:

I realize Burnett/Heyward being out are a big loss to the defense, but holy fVck - why does the middle of the defense look so open all the time?  Any team with a decent pass-receiving TE is going to be extremely difficult to deal with, even after the banged-up guys come back.  I just hope the pass-rush can get much more improved to help overcome this issue.

 

The Dom Capers defenses have always seemed to have this achilles' heel (and it really wasn't that abused today).

 

Because our safeties, save for Burnett, and our ILB's stink.   Because the 49'rs knew what was coming. 

The only solution I can see is getting Burnett healthy and moving Hyde to Safety where he belongs.    

Originally Posted by El-Ka-Bong:

Aikman said early on that the Bulaga injury was a good deal

Which reminds me that in my whining post I forgot to add how much I hate Aikman----he is terrible...and I don't care how many positives he throws Rodgers/McCarthy's way---he cannot hide his hate for the Pack.....Mathews acting about the guy hanging on to his leg?-one benefit of an extended losing streak would be not drawing Buck and Aikman in the booth....did I mention that I hate Aikman?

Originally Posted by DH13:

NFL now saying Staley should not have been penalized on the CM/CK hit.  Guess we can shut up about that one now.

Sounds like CYA from the NFL.  Can't have another blown call leading to a TD in a game involving the Packers.

 

Matthews hit was wrong - plain and simple.  But both Staley and Boldin couldn't wait to get involved in the melee afterwards. 

Both penalties were obviously the right call (throwing the flag, that is).  Clay needs to be smarter than that in the future.  I don't want him getting a Suh reputation (I don't think he will, Suh is a moron) and it hurts the team.  I hope he takes his fine and kicks ass within the whistles and sidelines for the rest of the year. 

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