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Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:
Originally Posted by Boris:

 Me: I don't know, do you think you'll play perfect football again with very few penalties & zero turnovers?

few penalties  

 

They had 11 penalties for 85 yards against GB. At least two GB touchdown drives were aided by 15 yard penalties (one for roughing Rodgers, one for Bowman doing something over by the Packer bench).

 

SF also missed a makeable FG towards the end of the half giving GB its best field position for the 2 minute drill. That could have been a 7 point swing (3 for 49ers, allowed Pack good field position for TD rather than FG going into half)

 

The 49ers didn't play a perfect game either.

Peouned.

Originally Posted by heyward:

There weren't two depth guys starting at safety on Sunday. One of them was going to start even if Burnett was healthy. That's the problem. The Packers don't have a second starting caliber safety on the roster.

 

This. Does anyone know what Richardson's status is? I know he's on the PUP, but I haven't heard much lately since they said the injury may be career ending depending on how he heals.

 

Nick Collins managed to make Charlie Peprah and Atari Bigby look competent. You can get away with guys like McMillian or Jennings if either is lining up next to Burnett. You're in trouble if they're lining up next to each other.

 

No argument SF played a better game than GB did on Sunday.

I said that exact thing a couple days ago.  You can get away with one good safety in this league but he can't afford to get hurt or you get what we got sunday.

 

As far as Richardson goes...I wouldn't pin too much hope on a guy who's head could fall off on the next big hit.  Burnett needs to stay healthy.

Originally Posted by DH13:
Originally Posted by Boston Jim:
Originally Posted by Hungry5:

I thought the DBs were supposed to be pretty good with some depth at backup. Not so, they were bad.

While the DB depth may not be as great as we thought in camp, they're also not as bad as they looked as a whole on sunday.  The key issue was the two "depth" guys starting at S and not having Heyward on the field.  It all fell like dominos from there.  I thought Shields and Tramon had good games, considering their S help was what it was.  Still don't know about Hyde.

If you can, watch this http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/223206791.html

 

Leroy Butler explains some of the bad plays, one by Shields.

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

Nick Collins managed to make Charlie Peprah and Atari Bigby look competent. You can get away with guys like McMillian or Jennings if either is lining up next to Burnett. You're in trouble if they're lining up next to each other.

 

No argument SF played a better game than GB did on Sunday.

This game made me think back to one in 2002 where an injury to Darren Sharper forced the Packers to start Antuan Edwards and Marques Anderson. The results were, as one would predict, a disaster. Chad Pennington absolutely torched the Packers secondary in a game they had to win in order to get a bye.

Although not "wanting Capers fired", Butler's analysis leads me to question his wisdom in employing a scheme that his players are unable to mentally grasp. Two fundamentals of coaching are never ask a player to do something that they are:1) Physically incapable of doing 2) mentally incapable of doing. I know that he didn't want to play man coverage because of Kaepernick's threat of running from the pocket, but our DB's just looked lost in the zone scheme employed for this game. With not knowing until Friday that Burnett would not play, I guess they thought it was too late to change the game plan. 

Originally Posted by chickenboy:
Originally Posted by Rockin' Robin:
Originally Posted by Boris:

 Me: I don't know, do you think you'll play perfect football again with very few penalties & zero turnovers?

few penalties  

 

They had 11 penalties for 85 yards against GB. At least two GB touchdown drives were aided by 15 yard penalties (one for roughing Rodgers, one for Bowman doing something over by the Packer bench).

 

SF also missed a makeable FG towards the end of the half giving GB its best field position for the 2 minute drill. That could have been a 7 point swing (3 for 49ers, allowed Pack good field position for TD rather than FG going into half)

 

The 49ers didn't play a perfect game either.

Peouned.

 

Yes they did play perfect as in zero turnovers while the Packers had 2. You can nitpick anything you like & I know you're too stupid to understand anything unless it's completely  spelled out for you, so I'll begin by removing your posting privs until about Christmas. 

Originally Posted by YATittle:

thanks for posting the link to butler's analysis. those who want Capers fired should note the litany of missed assignments. Shields move in particular is a head scratcher...

Yeah, that was bad. Holy cow.

Originally Posted by FLPACKER:

Although not "wanting Capers fired", Butler's analysis leads me to question his wisdom in employing a scheme that his players are unable to mentally grasp. Two fundamentals of coaching are never ask a player to do something that they are:1) Physically incapable of doing 2) mentally incapable of doing. I know that he didn't want to play man coverage because of Kaepernick's threat of running from the pocket, but our DB's just looked lost in the zone scheme employed for this game. With not knowing until Friday that Burnett would not play, I guess they thought it was too late to change the game plan. 

They had all of training camp to learn zone play. Just like last year, guys in the secondary looked lost. CK said he heard them arguing in the huddle in the playoff game.

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

Thanks for posting that twice. Do you know what CK heard GB arguing about in the playoffs last year?

I'm just paraphrasing here. It was players arguing about missed assignments.

Originally Posted by Boston Jim:

 CMIII's hit didn't affect the game at all. I loved it.

This thread keeps getting bumped, and I keep reading this.  This is complete bull****.  It absolutely did affect the game. 

Originally Posted by Brak:
Originally Posted by Boston Jim:

 CMIII's hit didn't affect the game at all. I loved it.

This thread keeps getting bumped, and I keep reading this.  This is complete bull****.  It absolutely did affect the game. 

How? The Packers were getting it stuck up their arses at the time. 

Boston, He heard them arguing over missed assignments defending the read option. I'm sure most of that was asking Walden if he knew and edge from his assh*le but whatever. Point is they solved that in spades. I'm not sure where the real breakdown came from on Sunday but I'm pretty sure it's a result of Capers trying to find the best way to shelter Jennings and McMillian without Hayward and try to keep everything in front of them. And then Jennings let Davis behind him for the first TD anyways.

 

F**k I hate this thread!

Originally Posted by Blair Kiel:

I kind of miss Chickenboy.

It takes a dumb mother****er to continuously piss off the host for no apparent reason other than to be noticed, but there are replacements for Derwood waiting in the wings.

 

You won't have to wait long.

Originally Posted by Brak:

He doesn't do that, and it's 4th and 2.  They probably kick the field goal.  That's a four point difference.  Who knows what plays out after that.

 

So, yeah, it affected the game.

Disagree BJ?

Originally Posted by YATittle:

thanks for posting the link to butler's analysis. those who want Capers fired should note the litany of missed assignments. Shields move in particular is a head scratcher...

 

So if it's not the coaching it's the players.. AKA you blame TT for assembly a D full of players incapable of consistently following assignments?

Blame can only go two places...

1 - Capers can't coach
2 - TT can't assemble a defense.

I'm in the blame Capers camp.

overly simplistic.  Capers schemes, coaches get guys prepared for the scheme, players play it out.  All under the umbrella of the guys who Ted assembled.

 

If the scheme was sound, and the players didn't execute, that falls on the DB coach, LB coach, etc. in concert with the players.  If the scheme wasn't right for the talent involved, that falls on Capers for a poor scheme, or Ted for not bringing in the bodies. 

 

 

"overly simplistic. "

 

Yet accurate.

Coaches or GM.  Players not capable or players not being coached to potential?  Of course it's not 100% one or the other, but certainly there is one factor contributing more than the other.

I look forward to another attempt by you to somehow not find any blame in a Defense that is the Achilles heel of this team.   A defense that could possible keep a historically amazing QB from winning multiple SuperBowls in his prime. 


Yeah, the Haley GIF is pretty special.

 

"We're going to completely piss away and waste the skills of a generational QB with a crappy roster and what do we effing do, we draft a RB in round 6. Everyone should be fired!!!! What a f*****g waste of a career!!!!!"

 

Sincerely, every Bronco fan in May 1995 on a message board if the internet was up and running and message boards even existed.

 

Maybe we should wait for Aarons career to play itself out before we crap on the organizations decisions on a weekly basis. 

Originally Posted by El-Ka-Bong:
If the scheme was sound, and the players didn't execute, that falls on the DB coach, LB coach, etc. in concert with the players.  If the scheme wasn't right for the talent involved, that falls on Capers for a poor scheme, or Ted for not bringing in the bodies. 

Bingo.  We've been hearing about defensive secondary communications issues for years now.  Maybe Joe Whitt and Darren Perry should start getting the x4 red-hot poker up their arses.

Originally Posted by BrainDed:

I look forward toanother attempt by you to somehow not find any blame in a Defense that is the Achilles heel of this team.   A defense that could possible keep a historically amazing QB from winning multiple SuperBowls in his prime. 


Please tell me, when I have done what you say I have done?  I'm as critical of anyone of AJ Hawk, I'll point out deficits in the defense, and piss and moan like everyone else with every TD they allow.  I can't say I have particularly signaled out Capers, but I can't say I've been defending his every step.  This is the second time you've referred to some indefensible position I have on Capers or the defense, but I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.  I think you are fighting shadows and claiming victory.

a quick search of X4, I have used the word "capers" in a post 8 times (9 if you count this one) and 6 of them were prior to the last two posts in this thread. 

 

Before today, since 2010, I have mentioned Capers by name 6 times.  Is there some other super secret term or something that fits the complaint you have about my position on the defense? 

Shields game is bump and run coverage. Guy was born to run and his game is best suited to man coverage. Nobody should be surprised by this. He will get better at zone concepts.

 

You're not going to play one of the best teams in the league with a newly designed defense, without your defensive QB, and be totally sound in every aspect. We saw a nice improvement from last time we played this team, and the good news is, there's even more room for improvement. 

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