Seventeen games a year pretty much rules out an undefeated team...
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Loved Tae but this sound like a great business move the more I think about it. Hopefully we'll end up with 3-4 really good WRs instead to spread the field a bit, be a good bit under the cap, lock up some Def studs and have 4 picks in the top of the draft. Tae is great but he is turning 30 this year. Sold High
send one of the top picks to buffalo for Kumerow. Rodgers trusts him.
@Goalline posted:Sterling will fuck you up.
And Shannon will kick you in the teeth.
@DH13 posted:I don't think there is a WR in 17's class in this year's draft. Good haul for Gute but I'm going to miss elite WR play.
17 wasn’t in 17’s class when he was drafted. It took him 3 full years to reach a great level, and really the last 3 to become what he is today. At 29 years old, I am guessing 26-29 will be his best years as a pro. He will be good the next 3 but not having 12 throw to him will make a difference.
@Blair Kiel posted:I think this means the Pack will be undefeated next year.
I'd like them to be undefeated this year first, since the new league hear has begun.
I look at it this way. Have draft picks 22 and 53 and being able to work out a deal with Rasul and still have some cap $$$$$ is better than having Davantae.
@ammo posted:I look at it this way. Have draft picks 22 and 53 and being able to work out a deal with Rasul and still have some cap $$$$$ is better than having Davantae.
Not just Rasul, assuming he signs. Might not have been able to afford DeVondre Campbell either at 17’s price tag.
He was too short and not fat enough.
Promote from within. Look to the bench. They have their guy in St. Brown. The only puzzling part is on tape he's always wearing a Lions uniform.
@Johnny Z posted:He was too short and not fat enough.
Promote from within. Look to the bench. They have their guy in St. Brown. The only puzzling part is on tape he's always wearing a Lions uniform.
He was 6’7” 330 pounds. St Brown is a Bear so breathe.
@Iowacheese posted:Jarvis Landry please and Thank you
I'm not high on Landry but he might be a decent #2. Allen Robinson would've been a good fit, but that wasn't to be.
@artis posted:I'm not high on Landry but he might be a decent #2. Allen Robinson would've been a good fit, but that wasn't to be.
You can sign two Allen Robinson's for what Adams got.
@MichiganPacker posted:You can sign two Allen Robinson's for what Adams got.
Except he's a Ram now. But he's a solid wr and knows the division. Played in the elements in college and as a pro. Rams got an upgrade to go with Kupp. I think he would've been a good addition in GB.
It is bittersweet, for sure, but you have to have an eye toward the future. It's a win for Davante, and really, with a good draft, a win for the Packers... a draft loaded with receiving talent.
I see us taking two WR, and a TE... maybe even two TE's.
But....after languishing at the bottom of the draft order for so many years (and that's really a sign of success), this is a golden opportunity to re-make the team with quality, affordable talent.
Just forget about the draft picks they got (and those are huge).
We'll have to see what Adams' guaranteed money is, but let's say the dead cap hits are 25 million in Years 3-5.
Adams will likely be good for another 1-2 years, but those out years are likely going to be a disaster for the Raiders. 28 million a year is a lot of money for a guy who turns 30 this year and will be 34 at the end of this contract.
Julio Jones was great until he got to be the age Adams is now and Julio was a better player. Jones was bigger and much faster than Adams and at 33 he's been let go by two different teams in the last year. That's probably Davante in 2025.
@Packmeister posted:It is bittersweet, for sure, but you have to have an eye toward the future. It's a win for Davante, and really, with a good draft, a win for the Packers... a draft loaded with receiving talent.
I see us taking two WR, and a TE... maybe even two TE's.
But....after languishing at the bottom of the draft order for so many years (and that's really a sign of success), this is a golden opportunity to re-make the team with quality, affordable talent.
Assuming everything you say is true, why would the Packers have not also traded Aaron Rodgers for a boat load of draft picks in order to truly re-make the team with an eye toward the future?
Are the Packers "All In" in 2022?
Or are the Packers "Partially All In" and "Partially Eyeing the Future"?
Why not pick a lane?
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@DurangoDoug posted:Regardless of all this, Devante will go into the Packer HOF as soon as he's eligible. I do hope the draft capital in this trade works out well for the Pack.
DD you still have one of the best avatars ever.......
May be a blessing for Rodgers. He looked to Adams way too much these last two years and I get it, he's the best WR in the NFL. But have to wonder if spreading the ball around may be best for the team. Probably just wishful thinking....
Greg Jennings was great until he wasn't. Load up!
@Tschmack posted:Watch them trade Rodgers now
BOOM!
I'm thinking 12 told 17 he was only sticking around one more year and 17 didn't want to commit long term to a team that would be rebuilding while also dealing with cap issues. Honestly, no receiver is worth that coin, especially one that is on the cusp of 30 and whose numbers were enhanced by playing with a HOF QB. Good deal for Packers.
@CUPackFan posted:May be a blessing for Rodgers. He looked to Adams way too much these last two years and I get it, he's the best WR in the NFL. But have to wonder if spreading the ball around may be best for the team. Probably just wishful thinking....
Who knows, maybe in the end, this will all work out for the best. At present though, I believe with the loss of Adams and Valdes-Scantling (still could maybe sign him?), this is the weakest group of WRs/TEs in the NFL.
Lazard, Cobb, Amari R., DeGuara, Dafney as a group sort of remind me of the 2005 Packers when they were trotting out guys like Antonio Chatman and Taco Wallace.
Obviously, the Pack is going to draft 3 or 4 skill guys to challenge what’s there, but it really does look like an incredibly weak group they have right now.
@lovepack posted:Greg Jennings was great until he wasn't. Load up!
And Jordy Nelson, and James Jones, and Antonio Freeman.
And Julio Jones, and Dez Bryant, and AJ Green.
@Pikes Peak posted:It’s great only if the picks turn out
GB gets the Raiders 1st round pick, this year and their 2nd round pick, this year. There's talk that another player may come to GB as part of this deal, too. I'd be happy if just those picks were part of the deal.
@Iowacheese posted:Jarvis Landry please and Thank you
Now that we missed out on Allen Robinson, I guess.
@pkr_north posted:I am kind of disgusted 12 would not take a major pay cut to keep his buddy in town. aside from that, good move from the fo.
A really good move by the FO would have been them going after Allen Robinson while working the trade with the Raiders. This doesn’t feel like all in to me. They should have traded AR.
With this cap room they could probably bring back MVS and sign Landry to a 1-year prove it deal. Maybe they sign Tonyan too. Those three, Lazard, Cobb, Jones/Dillon plus a 1st round WR wouldn't be bad.
Final thought (for now) on the Davante Adams trade: His agents Frank Bauer and Kenny Chapman confirm that the #Packers offered more money than the contract he’ll sign in Las Vegas.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 18, 2022
Simply, it was his lifelong dream to be with the #Raiders.
Never good to have a guy on the team that really doesn't want to be there. Just need to capitalize on the compensation with good picks.
The only way this ends up being a smart move with us keeping Rodgers is if they make a major move in free agency, or trade for a #1 receiver. Draft capital is great, but if we take a top tier wide out in the draft, it’s highly unlikely he’s going to be an impact player as a rookie. At best they’re a #2 on a team with no 1 or 2 on the roster. We’ve had very few receivers make a splash in their first year.
Right now, the roster talent we have at receiver is Division II level. Randall Cobb, Gid bless him, is on the downside of his career. Lazard is just a guy. MVS is explosive, but he also explosively drops balls, and disappears two of every three games. And tight end? We saw what a dumpster fire that position was in the playoffs with old man Marcedes fumbling the ball away, and Deguara dropping passes. What guarantee is there that Tonyan comes back strong? And he’s 28 on April 30th.
Are we so sure this front office can knock it out of the park with a receiver draft pick?
Some names to consider:
Amari Rodgers
J’Mon Moore
MVS
Eq. St. Brown
DeAngelo Yancy
Trevor Davis
Jared Abbrederis
Those are the receivers not named Davante Adams that we have drafted in the first five rounds in the last seven years. While it’s true they weren’t high picks, the front office thought that there was sufficient talent in those batches to enhance the roster in lieu of free agency.
J’Mon Moore was an utter bust as a third.
Before we all break out the champagne, let’s remember for every smart pick like a Jaire Alexander or a Elgton Jenkins, there’s been a trade up for Jordan Love in lieu of a receiver we very much needed, or taking Kevin King instead of the current NFL Defensive Player of the Year, a guy that played only two hours by car from Lambeau. We traded down for King and Vince Biegel when TJ Watt was there for the taking.
I have no faith in this front office to identify young talent at wideout. I hope they prove me wrong, but this seems more about “the future”. The Packers seem to be perpetually in “looking to the future” mode.
Id this front office isn’t dead set on a “Super Bowl NOW” mentality, then there’s no reason to keep #12.
I don’t want MVS at his asking price. He’s a one-trick pony.
It will all work out for GB. This was a huge win for that front office at 1265 that the dipshits like to hammer.
I'm not one of those guys who roots for ex-Packers. I hope he bombs.
Juju Smith Schuster is available, ex Stiller.
@SteveLuke posted:This is Demovsky's latest attempt to carry water for the organization.
It is what the Packer press does - spin to make the organization look good.
No one in the Wisconsin press is going to point out that if Davante was not going to play in GB then maybe, perhaps just maybe, getting this trade done BEFORE THE DECENT AVAILABLE WRs WERE GONE IN FREE AGENCY would have been a wiser move.
Agents for Adams have confirmed this.
Give it a rest.
@michiganjoe posted:Agents for Adams have confirmed this.
Give it a rest.
"As others were told, I was told as well that the #Packers were willing to match the money the #Raiders are giving Adams or perhaps exceed it.
But WHEN they became willing to do so, and WHY Adams had reached the point of not wanting to come back, also MATTER. Eager to learn more."
Maybe, just maybe, an after-the-fact "offer" to make it appear that a similar or even superior effort was made to retain Adams -- in comparison to the offer he got from LV, is just more face-saving front office PR spewed by a loyal beat writer whose next criticism out of 1265 Lombardi will be his first.
That Davante wanted out is obvious. Why he wanted out (and since when) is something that Demo & Tommy Boy Silverstein will do nothing to uncover lest it deviate from the 1265 Lombardi line.
That the Pack got a respectable haul in return for Adams is a credit to the Front Office.
That the Front Office delayed completion of the trade until practically all the available alternative WR talent was signed elsewhere is ... completely contrary to what a Front Office that is supposedly "All In" would or should do, yet that is precisely what the Packer Front Office did.
I mean I know the loyalists don't like to acknowledge unpleasant facts, but the Packer WR/TE receiving corps that was not exactly a strength before the Adams trade is about as bad as any in the NFL at this point in 2022, so that does not seem to indicate the franchise is really all that serious about going "All In," does it?
Has any other NFL franchise declared it was "All In" by trading away one of its top players for draft picks? Anyone?
But do not fret, like all the good & loyal Packer Backers you will have plenty of opportunity to quote Demo & Tommy's upcoming tripe about how the signing of a Jarvis Landry, Juju Smith-Schuster or some other unwanted WR still out on the street will more than make up for losing Davante and how another glorious NFC North Title/SB run awaits in this "All In" 2022 season.
Maybe... woulda, shoulda, coulda... ifs and buts... probably...
Fact remains he didn't want to play in GB anymore and said so with his "won't play on the tag" comment. Once he said that, he was gone. The Packers offered more money, Adams took less. GB didn't offer more money "after" Adams made his decision.
A 1st and a 2nd is great return for someone who doesn't want to play for your team.
Favre/Rodgers Driver/Freeman/Brooks/Nelson/Jennings/Adams
And just like that, Don Hutson’s all-time Green Bay Packers record of 99 TD receptions will securely live on — likely for at least another decade, perhaps many.
— PackersHistory.com (@PackersHistory1) March 18, 2022
Davante Adams, with Aaron Rodgers throwing to him, was poised take that all-time crown.
All we can say is wow. pic.twitter.com/mGR44h0ShD