Rodgers Contract and Future

I think the first and foremost concern before any contract/playing/scheme issues is if Love can actually play at a high level (or at all) in the NFL.

I hope Love doesn't see the field for two years other than lots and lots of mop up duty with 30 point 4th quarter leads.  I'd hope the team could still get a lot of evaluation out of him at that point.  

More likely is that Rodgers gets dinged up more than once and we see snippets of Love sooner than later.  

Here's a nice column by Andrew Brandt that sums the situation up well:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04...mp;utm_medium=social

Brandt is a copycat.

Hub Arkush of Pro Football Weekly was on this morning and said it is well known throughout the NFL that Matt LaFleur is amongst the best, if not the best, in correcting and revising QB Mechanics. In fact, he apparently tweaked Matt Ryan's the year he won the MVP and Ryan also credits him with that. 

One of J-Lo's primary issue is just that. "Looping wind up" is one of his weaknesses, holding onto the ball too long, pocket awareness, etc. If in fact MLF is one of the best coaches at correcting the above and Love is teachable, this bodes pretty well for the Packers.

It unfortunately does not for AR.

My guess? Number 10 is the starting QB for the Packers in September, 2022. The Packers arrange for a trade to the Broncos for a 2nd round pick. It would be Elway's Manning dream scenario 2.0 and the Packers ship Rodgers to an AFC opponent they will almost never see. 

Just curious, why is there a tag for sourdough?

Because this past Sunday was pretzel day.

So what you're saying is that Rodgers goes to the Broncos and finally gets his second Super Bowl ring?

I guess the 'out' situation, still costs 17m unless some team picks the whole thing up and we can make a trade.  this could be handled by not making the pick...they either mis-calculated the pick, ie: should have NOT made the pick or mis-calculated making 12's money for a longer term.  they also converted some $ to guaranteed to get cap savings, i can't remember if that affected the overall term or anything...the team screwed that up one way or the other.  if they could have even 'sniffed' there would be a good crop of qb's coming into the draft in the next few years, why extend 12 at all? just use the franchise tag after his contract runs out...that would actually make sense to me and gives us a 'direction' on wtf they are doing.

@Brak posted:

Because this past Sunday was pretzel day.

that 'splains it

@QuietOne posted:

So what you're saying is that Rodgers goes to the Broncos and finally gets his second Super Bowl ring?

I sure as hell hope he'd be going for his 3rd by then but I am also a realist and realize nothing was done to make this defense any faster, a key issue in 2019. 

@Thunderbird posted:

Just curious, why is there a tag for sourdough?

SEO baby.

If I could click on it...

Bad Bob strikes again.

https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...f-aaron-rodgers-act/

@PackerPatrick posted:

Bad Bob strikes again.

https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...f-aaron-rodgers-act/

Likewise, McGinn believes that Rodgers was “difficult to coach” last year and that he will be “even more difficult to coach” if the team shifts its offense to a run-based attack in 2020.

He's not even an active reporter with the ability to talk to "sources" he could previously pull out of his ass when he was employed with JsOnline. He knows no more of this then any of us do. 

That was just Florio with his usual click bait.
He knows it will at least bring out the queen fans. 

Or, he may right.

They don't want him to "return to form" they want him to run their fucking offense the way they want it run. If he does that, they think they have a chance to win another championship. If he doesn't it's going to be some close-but-no-cigar seasons from here on out.

If #12 is the pro he purports himself to be, he will work with the staff and honor their wishes and run the offense as they want it run. If he does that, they have a real shot at winning a title.

Last year vs the Whiners (twice) should show Aaron how much an unstoppable running game can help you win.

Who is the 1?  Did he drop one to Bulaga that I forgot about?  

Marcedes "Big Dog" Lewis

Big Dog

Marcedes Lewis.  

With Jennings, Nelson and Adams, there was never a good reason for TT to take a WR in the first.  I'd say 2019 and 2020 were probably the only drafts since about 2006 that it would have made sense to draft a first round WR, when Jennings was drafted in the second.  And if I remember right, Packer fans wanted Chad Jackson with that pick....

We took Jennings in the 2nd round in 2006. We could have drafted Vernon Davis at TE, though, instead of AJ Hawk, in the 1st. We also took Abdul Hodge in the 3rd, doubling down at linebacker, which didn't work. The one pro-bowler we missed out on in the third round was Jason Hatcher, who had a decent career on the D-line.

We also doubled down on O-line, taking Darren Colledge, and Jason Spitz. 

Packers traded out of the 1st and drafted Jordy early in the 2nd, 36th player drafted overall. He could have easily been a 1st but TT went for more picks.  He was the 3rd WR taken in the draft. The other 2 were Donnie Avery and  Devin Thomas.  Who the hell are they??   It also means the Vikings passed him over too.  

@MNPackman posted:

Here's a nice column by Andrew Brandt that sums the situation up well:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04...mp;utm_medium=social

Key passage that may be some insight into the front office and coaching staff’s point of view: 

“There is one parallel that is important here. In the later years of Brett’s tenure, I sensed a feeling around our personnel department that there was, well, too much emphasis on Brett and not enough on our team. I just noticed that when fans and media constantly marveled about Brett, they felt it was ignoring all the work put in by our team as a whole. Current Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst was part of that scouting department then and my sense, from afar, is the same feeling exists in that building now. It is a dynamic in team sports that happens far more than people know, currently on display in the The Last Dance documentary about Michael Jordan’s last season with the Bulls. Scouts, while marveling at the talent of their superstars, get much more excited about seeing their “hidden gems” succeed than they do about stars doing what they are expected to do.”

Its going to be interesting... Rodgers is a smart guy. I’m willing to wager he sees the dynamics and is willing to zig to avoid ruining his legacy. To not be Favre. He’s spent a career taking hits making sure he’s not like Favre. Wouldn’t it be something if Rodgers checks all the boxes and goes out like Elway did? 

If baffles me the amount of Packers fans who want to move on from #12.  It truly does and I don't think many remember what the Packers QB situation was like before #4 and #12.

Anyhow, it is only my personal opinion but I think that Rodgers never lost his form but he is running a different system that is way more balanced than MM's and he also doesn't have the weapons he needs right now.   

So my guess?  The Packers do NOT trade or release AR anytime soon because of of the cap hit and I don't think Gute/MLF will do it unless they know for sure they have the heir apparent whether that's Love or someone else. 

@pkr_north posted:

I guess the 'out' situation, still costs 17m unless some team picks the whole thing up and we can make a trade.  this could be handled by not making the pick...they either mis-calculated the pick, ie: should have NOT made the pick or mis-calculated making 12's money for a longer term.  they also converted some $ to guaranteed to get cap savings, i can't remember if that affected the overall term or anything...the team screwed that up one way or the other.  if they could have even 'sniffed' there would be a good crop of qb's coming into the draft in the next few years, why extend 12 at all? just use the franchise tag after his contract runs out...that would actually make sense to me and gives us a 'direction' on wtf they are doing.

There's always a good crop of QBs coming out. 3 first round QBs are about the norm. Sometimes 4 and occasional 5 but there are also 2 and sometimes 1 or none.

The real question is if you can get one of the guys you like, especially if you are picking later int he round.

I suspect that the Packers didn't think Love would be in range when they picked at 30. I saw some rankings of him in the teens overall. To see him at 26 they probably said, WTF, that's value and moved up and got him. Not much more strategy beyond that. You take the players where they fall and if you see value on your board you try to make it happen.

An excellent opening post & thread.

1 thing I'd like to point out is if Rodgers gets hurt, we're going to see "J-Lo" a lot sooner than 2022.

@The Heckler posted:

If baffles me the amount of Packers fans who want to move on from #12.  It truly does and I don't think many remember what the Packers QB situation was like before #4 and #12.

Anyhow, it is only my personal opinion but I think that Rodgers never lost his form but he is running a different system that is way more balanced than MM's and he also doesn't have the weapons he needs right now.   

So my guess?  The Packers do NOT trade or release AR anytime soon because of of the cap hit and I don't think Gute/MLF will do it unless they know for sure they have the heir apparent whether that's Love or someone else. 

I haven't seen many, if any, fans saying they want to move on from him. Laying out what is gonna happen doesn't mean they want that to happen, it's just acknowledging that in the NFL, that's how things work.

@The Heckler posted:

If baffles me the amount of Packers fans who want to move on from #12. 

Anyhow, it is only my personal opinion but I think that Rodgers never lost his form but he is running a different system that is way more balanced than MM's and he also doesn't have the weapons he needs right now.   

 

I think some fans do, but most don't. Chongo posted it above, the front office and the HC want Aaron to run the offense as designed, but its hard when you've been free-lancing at an elite level for so long.

When AR was first playing, MM said: "He isn't averse to throwing boring passes"
That was a shot at Favray and his improvisational style- the same style that made him exciting to watch AND drove Holmgren/Sherman nuts.

Now we're seeing the same thing with AR, he's so used to running the show, he chafes under the yoke of running the offense exactly the way MLF drew it up.

And in many cases, the changes AR makes at the LOS got GB out of a lousy play call and MLF has acknowledged as much. MLF is a novice play caller, while AR is a maestro at the LOS.  AR covered up lots of MLF whiffs too - but all the rhetoric is focused only around the plays AR left on the field ( which he did)

As far as the weapons thing, I really think that's overblown. Rodgers-Adams-Jones is a spectacular set of triplets and all you really need are some complimentary pieces.
The media pounded it into everyone's brains MUST HAVE MOAR WRs and so that became the central talking point for months - especially with the large number of WRs available. But this is MLFs offense and its not a WR -centric attack. Part of the reason for that is that the match-ups are better at TE vs LB than WR vs CB

MM offense flooded the field with WRs and won match-ups because our 4th WR was always better than the opponents 4th CB. MLF chooses different match-ups to exploit, hence the investment in TEs and RBs. Its a different approach and fans haven't caught up to it yet, they're still living in WR -World.
Hence all the unhappiness post-draft

IMO Rodgers has plenty of weapons, he just needs to run the offense that MLF spent his career refining. GB was 3 points/ game away from being a Top 10 offense and 5 pts/ game away from being a Top 5 offense.
A few tweaks here and there and a RB who can close out games...
GB offense will be a top performer in 2020 with the roster they have

@Timpranillo posted:

I haven't seen many, if any, fans saying they want to move on from him. Laying out what is gonna happen doesn't mean they want that to happen, it's just acknowledging that in the NFL, that's how things work.

Definitely not many in this forum that is for sure because we are the smart Packers fans.  I have noticed it quite a bit on social media which I know I should take with a grain of salt that's for damn sure. 

Satori, GREAT point about the fans haven't gotten used to the different style of offense the Packer use now vs. what we had with MM for all those years.  

@AtTheMurph posted:

There's always a good crop of QBs coming out. 3 first round QBs are about the norm. Sometimes 4 and occasional 5 but there are also 2 and sometimes 1 or none.

We are going to need proof if you are going to be throwing around numbers like this

All this and we haven't even had any teary eyed end of season press conferences. 

Nor threats to "retire" Yay!!

@AtTheMurph posted:

There's always a good crop of QBs coming out. 3 first round QBs are about the norm. Sometimes 4 and occasional 5 but there are also 2 and sometimes 1 or none.

The real question is if you can get one of the guys you like, especially if you are picking later int he round.

I suspect that the Packers didn't think Love would be in range when they picked at 30. I saw some rankings of him in the teens overall. To see him at 26 they probably said, WTF, that's value and moved up and got him. Not much more strategy beyond that. You take the players where they fall and if you see value on your board you try to make it happen.

Interesting because Sam Farmer, LA Times NFL writer, saw him falling out of the first round.

@The Heckler posted:

Anyhow, it is only my personal opinion but I think that Rodgers never lost his form but he is running a different system that is way more balanced than MM's and he also doesn't have the weapons he needs right now.   

So my guess?  The Packers do NOT trade or release AR anytime soon because of of the cap hit and I don't think Gute/MLF will do it unless they know for sure they have the heir apparent whether that's Love or someone else. 

I've had the same opinion about Rodgers until just recently.

Now that we don't have live sports to watch my DVR is recording all broadcast Packers games. And it seems that the 2009 and 2010 season have been pretty well represented. I think I've seen 4 or 5 in the past couple of weeks.

One thing i will tell you is that Rodgers is not nearly the same player that he was. He doesn't drive the ball anywhere near what he used to do and isn't nearly as accurate.

The dude was incredible. The throws were spectacular, spot on, fast and hard. He'd get into windows that were minuscule. His throws on slants and posts were things of beauty. I just don't see that same arm and I don't see the same accuracy. And it's not a small change either.

@YATittle posted:

Interesting because Sam Farmer, LA Times NFL writer, saw him falling out of the first round.

Gil Brandt had him at 21.

I saw J'Lo anywhere from 17 to in the 50s. 

@The Heckler posted:

If baffles me the amount of Packers fans who want to move on from #12.  It truly does and I don't think many remember what the Packers QB situation was like before #4 and #12....

 

Not just you, Heck', I've read and heard so much after the draft about ARod, the Packers, and future plans for them both. Right now, the consensus is one of them moves on in 2 years, and Love will be the man from then on.

And it only took 3 days to figure all this out! Why, it's so easy....

Favre to @richeisen: "They don't draft any weapons that can help immediately, to my knowledge. That sends a disrespect message to Aaron Rodgers. He has every right to be disappointed, if he is."

— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) April 29, 2020

More from Favre: "I think they burned a bridge that will be hard to overcome. At some point, it will rear its ugly head."

— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) April 29, 2020

Well, he would know....