“I’m developing a strong hatred for this team” lol! Those two guys are not happy campers.
The Jets are in a world of hurt right now. It appears they’ve quit. They can’t fire all the coaches or move off of Rodgers without taking a sizable cap hit.
The reality is this is a bottom 5 NFL team. How they won 3 games is nothing short of a miracle.
@Tschmack posted:“I’m developing a strong hatred for this team” lol! Those two guys are not happy campers.
The Jets are in a world of hurt right now. It appears they’ve quit. They can’t fire all the coaches or move off of Rodgers without taking a sizable cap hit.
The reality is this is a bottom 5 NFL team. How they won 3 games is nothing short of a miracle.
At 31:40 of that video they start to realize what the whole Rodgers package entails. People want to celebrate high achievers until they get a close look under the hood of what makes them tick. In the end Gutey fleeced the Jets. I think the key moment was the SF playoff game. That was the equivalent of 4's 07 Giants playoff game. If a veteran player is lackluster in the playoffs just before sundown it's time to sell while spinning a yarn about welcoming him back if he wants to be here.
17 got the same while Gutey was doing the local used car dealer pump and dump. Had his price for the asset, took all the media arrows for being cheap and maximized the value by taking advantage of a bad team. The smart GMs work the angles with agents to take advantage of the bad teams if at all possible. .
It is kinda sad to see AR go down as a loser in the twilight of his career. The question becomes does he want to continue as a loser in 2025 for more $, or does he admit his time is done and retire after this year?
@Tschmack posted:The reality is this is a bottom 5 NFL team. How they won 3 games is nothing short of a miracle.
The worst thing "they" did (Thx Woody) was fire Saleh because he was the glue holding that defense together. The defense (& running game) kept them in games....
This is the problem with the Jets. They have a meddling owner and now a defense that has no coaching along with a QB that's 100 years old and they can't get rid of him.
I'm with ya DD, it sucks seeing him go out this way.....but I don't think he's done quite yet.
FYI....Saleh is doing just fine in Green Bay, thank you very much.
@titmfatied posted:In the end Gutey fleeced the Jets.
17 got the same while Gutey was doing the local used car dealer pump and dump.
The smart GMs work the angles with agents to take advantage of the bad teams if at all possible. .
Here's the thing....down the road these GM's may not want to deal with Gutey for fear he's going to fleece them. Gutey may end up softening some future deals if he has to deal with these same folks again.
E.G. TT after fleecing Belichick in 2006 for that Florida WR (Chad Jackson) in the 2nd round and TT traded down and still got Greg Jennings.
When it came time to trade up with the Pats to get Clay Matthews, (2009) Pats wanted an "extra" 3rd. TT calls BB and tells him, "I know we kind of got you in previous deal....I'm going to give you the extra 3rd." Showing BB his goodwill.
Relationships matter as you move forward in the business of NFL GM'ing.- The fleecing will continue until morale improves. 😁
@Boris posted:I'm with ya DD, it sucks seeing him go out this way.....but I don't think he's done quite yet.
Can't say I feel sorry for him at all. This is not Bart Starr who tied to play in 1971 after a total rebuild of his right shoulder. He only came back because of his loyalty to the Packers and what the Packers meant to him throughout his whole career. Rodgers has no loyalty to Woody, Jets fans or anyone else. His only loyalty is the next paycheck he will cash. I will not be surprised if he plays next season yet and plays even worse.
The talk that the addition of AR suddenly made the Jets a contender was always ridiculous.
@michiganjoe posted:The talk that the addition of AR suddenly made the Jets a contender was always ridiculous.
Actually I disagree somewhat. They had the defense and RB to win a lot of games. It's a proven method to win in the NFL and has transcended rule changes and eras. Their problem was always the O-Line.
I really wish Rodgers hadn't blown out the Achilles last year. Would've been interesting.
@michiganjoe posted:The talk that the addition of AR suddenly made the Jets a contender was always ridiculous.
Veteran QBs that are well beyond their prime often come into situations where they can really improve the team. Joe Flacco was a statue in the pocket when he was young, but he's improved both the Browns and Colts in the last two years. But guys like Flacco (and washed-up P. Manning when they won the Super Bowl in Denver), and even vets who were only mediocre before (Ryan Fitzpatrick) can look good. But they look good for reasons that AR doesn't have (or won't agree to) in NY.
1. A tremendous offensive line with a strong running game.
2. The ability to run play action off the running game. The Jets OL isn't very good, but they'd look a lot better if they weren't dropping into shotgun on every snap. AR refuses to go under center because he wants to be able to scan the field. That basically neuters the threat of play action.
3. Understanding and adjusting to the scheme the offensive play caller is running to generate good matchups for the personnel. AR is rigid on that. He doesn't want motion, he doesn't want shifts. Just sit back in shotgun, run the play clock down to almost 0, and try to get the defense to show a tell. The defenses know this too and their game plan is to not do anything to reveal a tell.
4. Be a game manager. AR is not going to let himself be a game manager.
The Jets will take a 49 million dead cap hit next year if AR is back. I think he'll be back to play out the string. Ideally for the Jets, they draft a QB high in round 1 and then have him sit for a year while AR gets blamed when they go 3-14. It will be ironic if he forced himself out of GB because he was mad the Packers drafted his replacement only to end up in an even worse situation in NY being a placeholder for his replacement.
To be clear, I think the addition of AR improved the team, but the talk of him elevating them into a contender was silly.
@michiganjoe posted:To be clear, I think the addition of AR improved the team, but the talk of him elevating them into a contender was silly.
I think it had the potential to improve the team, but his contract - and the money the Jets spent on Rodgers' pals like Cobb, Lazard, Amos, and now Davantae has only handicapped the team moving forward while at the same time taking a step back on the field.
Probably much more accurate to state AR upgraded the QB position than improved the team.
@DurangoDoug posted:It is kinda sad to see AR go down as a loser in the twilight of his career. The question becomes does he want to continue as a loser in 2025 for more $, or does he admit his time is done and retire after this year?
No doubt he was a great QB, but I would argue that he shrunk in a lot of big games, especially playoffs. His legacy may not be as great as some of us thought it might be after 2010.
@michiganjoe posted:To be clear, I think the addition of AR improved the team, but the talk of him elevating them into a contender was silly.
But it didn't improve the team. They are 3-7 after 10 games. Last year they were 4-6 under Zach Wilson after 10 games and he got benched. Other than TD's (Rodgers has more), Rodgers and Wilson's stats after 10 games are close to identical.
I have a friend who was a life long Packers fan but jumped to the Jets as soon as Rodgers did. He hated Gute "running Rodgers out of town" and thought drafting Love was stupid. He was sure that the Jets would be a juggernaut this year because Zach Wilson was horrible and the Jets improved every position of need in the off season. He was convinced with that D and Rodgers at the helm it would be a cake walk to an AFCC game against the Chiefs.
I haven't talked to him since the season started but this isn't exactly working out the way he expected. I knew he was delusional then but I didn't realize just how bad the Jets franchise actually is.
'That's a priceless steinway'
'not anymore'
Thank you Jacques Clouseau
Rodgers was spectacular--age did him in--but his off the chart arrogance put him in this position and makes it so delightful to watch his decline..
As I heard somewhere this past month--the one positive thing about #8's hanging around is it postpones his foray into what will be an agonizing hosting of a podcast/opinion show
@Pikes Peak posted:He was great when he was great. These stinkers count in his legacy rankings.
Right?
Honestly, no.
People will remember it like they remember Jordan with the Wizards, Namath with the Rams, OJ with the Niners.
You don't forget the ends of their careers but when you think of their careers you think of the Bulls, Jets and Bills.
OK, maybe something else with OJ. 
Rodgers talks in a lot of hypotheticals. I appreciate you posting these tit.
@Tavis Smiley posted:Rodgers talks in a lot of hypotheticals. I appreciate you posting these tit.
I like to call him Throwstradamus because everyone can decipher a different meaning out of his open ended proclamations.
I wouldn't be surprised if Rodgers wears one more uniform after hanging it up.
With the way Caleb Williams, Purdy and Darnold are playing I just hope it's not one of those places
@PackerHawk posted:Honestly, no.
People will remember it like they remember Jordan with the Wizards, Namath with the Rams, OJ with the Niners.
You don't forget the ends of their careers but when you think of their careers you think of the Bulls, Jets and Bills.
OK, maybe something else with OJ.
OJ and Namath were both washed up due to injuries. They were some of the worst players in the NFL those final years.
Michael Jordan was a different story. He didn't have team success with the Wizards, but he still averaged 20/6/4 with advanced stats that showed he was playing at an all-star level. His PER advanced stats were approximately what peak Khris Middleton was (~20 when 15 is league average). Obviously not the GOAT like he was in Chicago, but he didn't really embarrass himself there (other than as a personnel guy with his decision to draft Kwame Brown first overall).
Comparing a basketball player/stats versus a QB/stats is the epitome of "apples to oranges".
@WolfPack posted:I wouldn't be surprised if Rodgers wears one more uniform after hanging it up.
With the way Caleb Williams, Purdy and Darnold are playing I just hope it's not one of those places
I have to wonder if he would play another year. My question who would want him at this point and is he still a big name to sell tickets?
I guess SF might be a possibility since he probably has always wanted to play there and if they can keep the talent around him, it could be a good situation. But, that all depends on if SF keeps Purdy.
Maybe he can torture the other NYC NFL fanbase and go to the Giants if they don't keep Daniel Jones. I would seriously laugh my ass off if that one happened.
@PackerHawk posted:OK, maybe something else with OJ.
@The Heckler posted:I have to wonder if he would play another year. My question who would want him at this point and is he still a big name to sell tickets?
I guess SF might be a possibility since he probably has always wanted to play there and if they can keep the talent around him, it could be a good situation. But, that all depends on if SF keeps Purdy.
Maybe he can torture the other NYC NFL fanbase and go to the Giants if they don't keep Daniel Jones. I would seriously laugh my ass off if that one happened.
Say what you will but SF is run by smart, competent football guys, seems to me that other than the Lance debacle they have been spot on. As far as the Giants, every set of football eyes in NY has seen enough of the chosen one.
If a team had 100% everything else in place and only needed a QB, Rodgers could probably still produce.
Still the best thrower ever... imho
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@bvan posted:If a team had 100% everything else in place and only needed a QB, Rodgers could probably still produce.
Still the best thrower ever... imho
The bottom line problem with AR is that he wants to run an offense a particular way that has shown to be...unsuccessful...the last 3? years he's tried to run it. So I doubt any organization that is good enough to assemble a team that is only a QB short would be willing to bring AR in and have him demand he run his choice of offense. SF had a shot to get AR two years ago and they passed. Doubt they'd have more interest now unless they were desperate.