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So true....Nick Perry & Clay (and I love me some Clay) would NOT have had this impact on a rookie.

FYI...Clay is in the perfect situation for him & his career in LA.

When Gary was in the game I kept hearing his name called. He always seems to be around the ball. Gutey didn't reach for this guy. He's a damn good football player.

Boris posted:

So true....Nick Perry & Clay (and I love me some Clay) would NOT have had this impact on a rookie.

FYI...Clay is in the perfect situation for him & his career in LA.

When Gary was in the game I kept hearing his name called. He always seems to be around the ball. Gutey didn't reach for this guy. He's a damn good football player.

I think Perry and maybe even Datone would be much better and more productive players if they had leaders like the Smiths early in their careers. Perry overlapped with Woodson by a year, but neither one had a true mentor to help their development. Both let bad habits become the norm and have basically washed out of the league now. No clue why GM's seemingly overlook the leadership aspect of veteran like they do. I understand the money doesn't always work out, but the leadership of guys like Woodson and no Z Smith have such a massive impact on performance and development for young players that it seems crazy to not figure it out. Investing in culture makes as big a difference as anything.  

phaedrus posted:

Such great news.  Rap was he had no numbers.  Well, he has numbers with the Packers.

That sack, he had two blockers, one on the line of scrimmage and the other, a running back in the backfield.  The first block was a chip and Gary just mauled the RB.

That was no RB. He got chipped first by the TE then ran over the RT. 

With good coaching and proper motivation he's going to be a good one. He's got all the physical talent.

Gary sack

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PackerHawk posted:
phaedrus posted:

Such great news.  Rap was he had no numbers.  Well, he has numbers with the Packers.

That sack, he had two blockers, one on the line of scrimmage and the other, a running back in the backfield.  The first block was a chip and Gary just mauled the RB.

That was no RB. He got chipped first by the TE then ran over the RT. 

With good coaching and proper motivation he's going to be a good one. He's got all the physical talent.

Gary sack

Wow!

Packdog posted:
Packdog posted:
Boris posted:

I challenge anyone to tell me which player they would've taken over Gary who was drafted after him in the 1st round.

 

Was really high on Brian Burns. Looks like a good one.  

I wanted O Lineman, Dalton Risner. He went in round 2 with the 41st pick overall. He would have solved a lot of the O Line problems we have been dealing with. He can play multiple positions and is a beast when on the field. He and Elgton Jenkins would have transformed our O Line. Now, we get to kick the O Line can down the road until next year, maybe. Dexter Lawrence was also available when we picked Gary.  Brian Burns went in Round 1 at number 16, over all. Hard to say how picking Burns would have impacted Gute's decision to nab both the Smiths in FA. With Burns picked, we would not have needed both Smiths, would we? 

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mrtundra posted:
Packdog posted:
Packdog posted:
Boris posted:

I challenge anyone to tell me which player they would've taken over Gary who was drafted after him in the 1st round.

 

Was really high on Brian Burns. Looks like a good one.  

I wanted O Lineman, Dalton Risner. He went in round 2 with the 41st pick overall. He would have solved a lot of the O Line problems we have been dealing with. He can play multiple positions and is a beast when on the field. He and Elgton Jenkins would have transformed our O Line. Now, we get to kick the O Line can down the road until next year, maybe. Dexter Lawrence was also available when we picked Gary.  Brian Burns went in Round 1 at number 16, over all. Hard to say how picking Burns would have impacted Gute's decision to nab both the Smiths in FA. With Burns picked, we would not have needed both Smiths, would we? 

I think both Smith's were signed well before the draft.

Burns is a different animal than the Smiths. Pettine wants guys who can set the edge against the run (which isn't where we're getting gashed), Burns is a pure pass rusher. We'll see where Gary goes, I think he was drafted knowing that he's an unpolished raw athlete. The upside for Gary is higher than Burns, but the immediate returns obviously favor Burns. Check back in year 3 or 4 when both guys are more seasoned to make a comparison.  

Boris posted:
I challenge anyone to tell me which player they would've taken over Gary who was drafted after him in the 1st round.
 

Sure....obviously Gute didn't want Burns or he would've selected him. Burns probably didn't fit as well in this defense as Gary does. 

And of course you have 20/20 hindsight. 

No hindsight, would've picked Burns all day long and said so before the draft. JMHO. Let's face it Gary was not high on folks wish list.

Bottom line is Burns isn't a player without weakness either.... When Gute picked Gary I jumped on board as he is the expert and Gary has rare RAS.  Still have faith that Gary will become something...doesn't always happen immediately. He could still be the better pick in the long run. We shall see.

 

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“He’s starting to play faster, more aggressive."

In 31 combined snaps against Washington & Chicago, rookie LB Rashan Gary recorded seven tackles (two for a loss) & a sack.

Player on the Rise





Fast forward to Week 16 and Smith remains every bit as enthusiastic about the rookie first-round pick’s potential, especially with how Gary has performed as of late. In 31 combined snaps against Washington and Chicago, Gary amassed seven tackles (two for a loss) and a sack of Bears quarterback Mitchell Trubisky.

“Gary is picking it up and he’s recognizing it and he’s talking,” said Smith on Monday. “He’s starting to play faster, more aggressive. That’s kind of who he’s always been, an aggressive type of kid, but when you know what’s going on, you play a lot faster. This last week, I thought he did some good things.”

Gary


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