Who should they have picked instead? Who would you have picked?
Not a down has been played in his career and you pansies have already decided how it will play out.
Mikey from Life cereal surprised a few people.
Hundreds of hours, if not thousands, have been invested into the research of draft-eligible football players by guys that are experts in the field. Guys that make millions of dollars and have invested their collective lives into the evaluation of football talent at it's highest level. They chose Gary at 12 and felt lucky that he was still available.
With that said, I'm more inclined to listen to the "I hope I'm wrong, but..." crowd. Now THOSE guys know whats up. I hope the 2020 draft turns out better for us.
PackLandVA posted:I will be more than happy to say I was wrong about Gary being picked at 12. In fact, I absolutely want to be wrong.
Are you some kind of masochist weirdo?
I'm still waiting for that stiff Ankles Adams to show something.
Just because it's not your kink doesn't mean it's weird.
Pakrz posted:Hundreds of hours, if not thousands, have been invested into the research of draft-eligible football players by guys that are experts in the field.
Is it this, or is it a crapshoot? I forget.
Of course I hope Gary kicks ass. I was not excited about him before the draft and said so before the draft. Now I hope I was wrong. #fans
Now anyone who hopes he sucks just to be right, they can cheer for a different team.
Crapshoot, always. Much less of a crapshoot when people who know WTF they’re doing are making the call.
After listening to the Michigan DC and watching film on Gary, I have high hopes that he will be a good pick. Gary received a lot of double teams and was excellent in playing his role within the Michigan defensive game plan. He really did the dirty work and opened things up for his teammates... made Winovich and Bush look good and get favorable matchups(which is why you heard comments from Bush and others that Gary was the best player on that defense). He is a beast against the run, and has all of the tools to rush the passer. If teams double Kenny Clark or Daniels and leave RG singled up, he's gonna make plays.
Hey, I was as shocked as anyone else by the pick of Gary at 12. I didn't get it. Now, after hearing their rationale in taking him there, that he was their #1 target in the draft, well, I can't disparage them on it. IMO, Gutey has earned my respect, and I will trust that they made the right choice. We will see.
Had they not chosen Gary, my pick at 12 would have been Cody Ford. That being said, we cannot talk about what a powerhouse scheme Michigan had in place in running over all of the NCAA last year, because it didn't happen. Their D was nothing to write home about, but, Gary is a player I've studied up on, and I do think he was compromised greatly by scheme.
From what I've seen, he is somewhat limited in his pass rush moves, relying too heavily on bull rushes. As far as stats go, or the lack thereof, the guy was indeed double or triple teamed a good amount of time (this is watching the individual games to really see how he ticks and what happened, as opposed to just highlights), and opponents often did run away from his side. No one is going to have a gigantic stat line with that happening, regularly, like in Gary's case. I noticed he didn't motor all the way through plays as well. Those are things that can be coached. What I saw that I liked, was Gary's abilities to hone in when the openings presented themselves. The guy has the same heat shaking missile kind of quality that Devin Bush has, at a far greater size.
Devin Bush is 5-11 234 with a 4.43. Rashan Gary is nearly 6-5 277 with a 4.51.
Opposing offenses won't be able to double or triple team him anymore without suffering carnage from the rest of our front 7, and I believe his 1 on 1's and overall play should improve with proper coaching. I want to see him attack around the blocker he is facing more. Way more. Shoot gaps, rather than attack the blocker. FWIW, the guy stayed home nicely in protecting his edge v. the run. He's got awareness and vision. The game is not too big for him, and I do think he will be starting week 1.
You can't teach speed. High risk/high reward. By the end of this season and next season, we will know a lot more. Just hoping for the best from what I consider to be a pretty talented personnel group, and a talented Rashan Gary.
I think a lot of people (not all) who disliked the pick equate him to another Nick Perry which is unfair in many regards. Part of it has to do with still thinking of how Gary would fit into the D in terms of Capers' D. That's an easy mistake to make considering how long his system was in place, not to mention the ptsd we all suffered seeing repeated collapses. I would bet much on the idea Pettine has a very good idea about how he wants to use Gary in his D.
We only saw a preview of what the D will look like last year and this year may look as different in year 2 as year 1 looked compared to Capers. That being the result of returning starters plus all the new names replacing the old. Gary will not be expected to replace CMIII and how he functioned on D for the last 10 years (neither will either of the Smiths' for that matter). He will have his own tailor-made role that will let him do whatever it turns out he does best, which may not may not be what he did best at UM.
DH13, seems what they liked best was that he fits OLB, EDGE, 3 tech, 5 tech... Pettine can put him anywhere. My guess is that he will be a roving monster, one that offenses won't be able to easily scheme around, allowing for opportune mismatches. I like it.
No shit on the PTSD regarding the Capers era, and I'm excited to see Pettine's real scheme, with all of his pieces in place. This should be a thing of beauty.
I just want to see us maul the F outta CHI in that Thursday night opener, and then every team we face the rest of the way. This could be really good.
I don't mind any pick as long as the guy is healthy, and production schmucktion when it comes to what they did in college. If you hate a guy because of college production, then you probably hated the picks of Bart Starr, Kenny Clark, CM III, and many more.
Starr: In four years, 43 games; 54.4% completion rate; 1,903 total yards; 10 TDs and 20 INTs! 
(Yes, it was a different era, but still ... a 1:2 ratio of TDs:INTs? Joe Namath had the same completion %, 24 TDs and 20 INTs in 30 games.)
Clark: Three years, 37 games; 96 solo tackles and 63 assists; 20 tackles for loss; 6.5 sacks.
Matthews: Four years, 47 games: 57 solo tackles and 40 assists; 13.5 TFLs; 5.5 sacks.
On the other hand, Tony Mandarich was supposed to be a lock; Datone Jones had 90 solo tackles and 58 assists, 36.5 tackles for loss, 12.5 sacks in 51 games; Terrell Buckley had a punt return average of 12.2, KO average of 23.5, and three punt return TDs in 34 games, plus 21 INTs with 4 for TDs.
You really don't know how any draftee will turn out until they put on the big-boy pants and hit other guys playing for money.
Logic is fine and all FANDAME, but I'm sticking with Gary sucks. I hope I'm wrong..
CUPackFan posted:Tschmack posted:I hated the pick at the time but have come to the conclusion it won’t do me a lot of good to hate it now. The pick is the pick. I hope for him (and the Packers) it works out. This team needs for a player taken that high to make an impact.
By they way, if you want to get depressed go look at the 2004 draft. Ahmad Carroll, Joey Thomas, Donnell Washington and BJ Sander in the first 3 rounds. Can't imagine a team has made 4 worse picks in the first 3 rounds in an NFL draft than this. Only saving grace of the draft was Corey Williams and Scott Wells in the 6th and 7th.
2017 (unless King's shoulder issues straighten out)
2015 ('nuf said)
2012 (considering what the team got out of Hayward)
Gary, Jerel Worthy, Kyri Thornton and Montravious Adams were all Donnell Washington picks gambling on unlocking the potential in a big-man's traits.
Sounds well-liked by teammates which is always good for the locker room:
I'm surprised no one is talking about James Lee's 3 cone time.
Interesting comparison in the piece to Frank Clark. One of the more polarizing picks in recent memory and agree it's a boom or bust choice.
FLPACKER posted:Sounds well-liked by teammates which is always good for the locker room:
Thanks FLPACKER. I watched every game I could of his, and I came away thinking 5 things:
1. He was doubled and tripled, but, not all of the time. That aspect to me has been completely overblown. Maybe double and tripled half the time...?
2. An A$$LOAD of plays went away from him, consistently. Possibly the biggest reason for his low production numbers. ***
3. He didn't always bring it 100% through the whistle. I wanted to see him finish plays with more regularity. Like, a lot more. I was underwhelmed with his effort towards the end of some longer developing plays. Almost like he quit towards the end of some.
4. He has a bull rush, and that is pretty much it.
5. He DOES stay home to cover the run, I mean, at an elite level. Gary will be a great run defender. This is no CMIII.
This dude is going to need coaching up at a supreme level for early success in Green Bay. I do think he will win WAY more in Pettine's scheme, but I'm not expecting much through the first 10-12 games. He's just going to take some time to develop. He DOES have the speed to make plays once he gets an opening, and I think may happen a lot more with the talent we have around him. With his one on one's, he always seemed too preoccupied with locking onto the opponent directly across from him as opposed to shooting around him, avoiding the opponent to get to the ball, or, rather, making the ball carrier the #1 target of attack. Maybe that was just part of his staying home to cover the run too...
To be a great D-lineman you have to put all the parts together and do that at the same time, such as get off the ball, win the hand battle, shed the block, all while you locate the ball. Average to poor D-lineman only see the guy in front of them until they shed the block & by then it is too late.
Pakrz posted:Crapshoot, always. Much less of a crapshoot when people who know WTF they’re doing are making the call.
With my background on pass rushers you should all be celebrating Gary’s future greatness.
This is true.
Your body-lean battles with Westy. Were. Epic.
There are 8 or 10 articles on 2019 potential busts that I read and he made every one of them! So at least that's consistent even if his college production wasn't. 😢
Herschel posted:CUPackFan posted:Tschmack posted:I hated the pick at the time but have come to the conclusion it won’t do me a lot of good to hate it now. The pick is the pick. I hope for him (and the Packers) it works out. This team needs for a player taken that high to make an impact.
By they way, if you want to get depressed go look at the 2004 draft. Ahmad Carroll, Joey Thomas, Donnell Washington and BJ Sander in the first 3 rounds. Can't imagine a team has made 4 worse picks in the first 3 rounds in an NFL draft than this. Only saving grace of the draft was Corey Williams and Scott Wells in the 6th and 7th.
2017 (unless King's shoulder issues straighten out)
2015 ('nuf said)
2012 (considering what the team got out of Hayward)
Gary, Jerel Worthy, Kyri Thornton and Montravious Adams were all Donnell Washington picks gambling on unlocking the potential in a big-man's traits.
2001 - 10th, 41st, 71st and 72nd netted Jamal Reynolds, Robert Ferguson, Bhawoh, Jue, and Torrence Marshall.
You may remember that as "Wolf's Last Draft" but in reality Sherman's first draft as Wolf was slumbering in the corner of the draft room already retired.
2005 vikings draft was a disaster.
AtTheMurph posted:Herschel posted:CUPackFan posted:Tschmack posted:I hated the pick at the time but have come to the conclusion it won’t do me a lot of good to hate it now. The pick is the pick. I hope for him (and the Packers) it works out. This team needs for a player taken that high to make an impact.
By they way, if you want to get depressed go look at the 2004 draft. Ahmad Carroll, Joey Thomas, Donnell Washington and BJ Sander in the first 3 rounds. Can't imagine a team has made 4 worse picks in the first 3 rounds in an NFL draft than this. Only saving grace of the draft was Corey Williams and Scott Wells in the 6th and 7th.
2017 (unless King's shoulder issues straighten out)
2015 ('nuf said)
2012 (considering what the team got out of Hayward)
Gary, Jerel Worthy, Kyri Thornton and Montravious Adams were all Donnell Washington picks gambling on unlocking the potential in a big-man's traits.
2001 - 10th, 41st, 71st and 72nd netted Jamal Reynolds, Robert Ferguson, Bhawoh, Jue, and Torrence Marshall.
You may remember that as "Wolf's Last Draft" but in reality Sherman's first draft as Wolf was slumbering in the corner of the draft room already retired.
2005 vikings draft was a disaster.
There is no proof or logic to this statement. Sherman and the staff coached the Senior Bowl that year and it was not a secret he was enamored with Marcus Stroud and Chad Johnson.
Ron Wolf was also not a mail-it-in type. The Reynolds failure had repercussions down the line also as they signed Joe Johnson to try and make up for it. TT wasn't much for free agents, but we see the repeated repercussions of his DB debacles.
I absolutely hate this pick. I'm trying to warm up to it but the more I read about Gary, the less I like it. We drafted a run-stuffing OLB with one pass rush move at #12 overall..... I certainly hope he proves me wrong but this sure doesn't have the feel of a real difference maker......
New OLB coach Mike Smith just shared how excited he is about Rashan Gary, and more importantly why. I thought he presented a very clear, compelling case for Gary. Worth listening to a replay of once posted.
Smith also coached up the KC OLB's Justin Houston and Dee Ford, hopefully he can get similar results with Gary.
Super cool listening to the D coaches. Smith stopped himself and said he's got goose bumps talking about his OLB group, and how interchangeable they are.
Jerry Montgomery really likes Daniels, Clark, said Adams has really progressed yr 1-2 and clearly more 2-3. Said with the room getting deeper with talent, Daniels won't be having to bust 50-60 snaps per game. He'll be fresher, and more dominant w 25-30.
sschumer - Packer Fan HoF'r posted:New OLB coach Mike Smith just shared how excited he is about Rashan Gary, and more importantly why. I thought he presented a very clear, compelling case for Gary. Worth listening to a replay of once posted.
"Smith has never seen size and speed with athleticism like Rashan Gary": https://www.packers.com/video/...ism-like-rashan-gary
Packwood posted:Smith also coached up the KC OLB's Justin Houston and Dee Ford, hopefully he can get similar results with Gary.
Smith obviously thinks he can:
(On Rashan Gary)
It’s unbelievable. A guy that size with that speed and that athleticism, I’ve never seen it. I’ve been in the league for 11 years. I had Dee Ford, great get off. Justin Houston was a big strong guy. Gary is both of them. … I thought he was going to go before 12. I had him as the best outside linebacker in the draft. I was excited. I was running down the hallway.