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OK yah. My father in law is from Cincy, I'll get scouting report tomorrow...
Lol!!
I was hoping for a placeholder.
Has a little too much sauce in his routes
What the hell is Gute doing?
Giving MLF whatever he wants.
@YATittle posted:What the hell is Gute doing?
Shots!
This might be the weirdest pick of all. How many 6â2â TEs become All Pro or Pro Bowl caliber? Maybe theyâll use this guy as a FB out of the backfield?
I hope heâs great but short TEs arenât typically starter caliber.
Perhaps they will convert him to linebacker?
Three picks I felt we did not need this draft
Josiah Deguara
https://thedraftnetwork.com/pl...h-deguara/C3YabgX51G
TE, Cincinnat
- Conf American Athletic - East
- Jersey #83
- Class RS Senior
- HT 6'3"
- DOB 02/14/1997
- WT 245 lbs
Yay...we got a 7th round talent in the 3rd round.
Josiah Deguara
https://thedraftnetwork.com/pl...h-deguara/C3YabgX51G
TE, Cincinnati
- Conf American Athletic - East
- Jersey #83
- Class RS Senior
- HT 6'3"
- DOB 02/14/1997
- WT 245 lbs
ANALYST'S REPORTS
Crabbs
Route Tree - Primarily a leak receiver out into the perimeter but he's ran hooks from flexed position and brings a little something in play action as delayed release and attacking the seam or the middle of the field. Like his head fakes to hold defenders in off coverage. Biggest question is how well he separates vs. early contact.
Hands - Pretty sure handed. He's had some success throwing a paw up when he needs to lengthen himself and corral a high pass or one that wasn't thrown with proper touch. He doesn't always tuck it clean on the first shot but film didn't provide very many drops.
Versatility - Like what he gives you as an in-line blocker a lot. He's scrappy and does really well to keep his hand fit once defenders engage in shed techniques. His receiver skills are best against soft coverage or zone but he's reliable in short yardage areas to box out and has sneaky athleticism to get vertical.
Contested Catch Ability - Concentration is good and he's pretty stout to hold ground at point on contact as the ball arrives. He's not necessarily a high point receiver and doesn't play with a big presence above the rim in the red zone â instead his impact comes from folding out of the backfield or working across the set.
RAC Ability - Not overly dynamic here. He's a rumbling ball carrier who doesn't bring a ton of imagination to his touches, but he's going to make you work to get him down on the ground and square him up. Long speed isn't going to blow the doors off linebackers or set him up for big romps down field against man coverage.
Power at POA - He's not necessarily a mauler but he's tenacious as hell. He's get a little more bite out of his blocks if he maintained his foot activity, he can deaden at contact on occasion. His grip strength is excellent and he's able to showcase recovery ability as defenders try to yank him off his set.
Competitive Toughness - The hustle on this dude is unbelievable. Chased down an interception to prevent pick-6 about 70 yards down field from the back side vs. UCLA. His functional strength is aided by a dense built, he's built really compact and pairs his high effort with thick lower half and torso.
Flexibility - He's not the most fluid athlete and does appear to run a bit upright, which can water down some of his route breaks and ability to carry speed through the top of his routes. His hip and knee coil as a blocker is effective to keep him as the low man when engaged at the point of attack and avoid giving a ton of ground.
Balance - If his feet are set, he's very difficult to snatch or shuck. There's sparing instances where he'll put himself in bad position but even then he's got pretty strong recovery ability to reset his base. Doesn't get too knocked around or effectively rerouted when he's pressing his route releases vertically through traffic.
Football IQ - Some subtle nuances will go a long way in making him a more consistent separator versus man coverage in the NFL. He's pretty aggressive, savvy and wins inside leverage in the ground game with consistency, he seems to be a player who can be an asset as a complimentary player early on and grow into a bigger role.
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Best Trait - Competitive Toughness
Worst Trait - RAC Ability
Best Film - UCF (2019)
Worst Film - Boston College (2019)
Red Flags - None
Summary - Josiah Deguara projects as an ideal TE2 at the NFL level. There's some developmental upside to get more nuance out of Deguara's game, but he's currently a blue collar worker in the box who brings needed scrappy attitude and blocking success to the point of attack and just enough of a vertical threat in the pass game to be a constant thorn in the side of defenses. There's room for improvement, added nuance to some of Deguara's route running, which could lead to a starting role.
Pedestrian Tyler Conklin in the 3rd round is the takeaway here. Who the f is Tyler Conklin? GuteliciousÂŪ!
@GreenBayLA posted:Shots!
Shots? I think it's more like shrooms.
Dane Brugler had him as the 12th best TE - 6th round pick
Bob McGinn did not have him rated in his top 20 TEâs. No scouting report
Gutekunst better be right...
@tsr86free posted:Pedestrian Tyler Conklin in the 3rd round is the takeaway here. Who the f is Tyler Conklin? GuteliciousÂŪ!
@Boris posted:If you read @antooo post, these are some of the same things said about Kittle when he was drafted in the 5th round.
I think we just drafted a George Kittle clone.
Championship!!
Sure, if Kittle was two inches shorter.
And MUCH slower.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/...ge-kittle?id=2558266
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/...00-9fe2-3240dc1a9dab
I guess they have a third-round athletic numbers type:
A pick made apparently based all on our scheme. He is not going to be a guy who will threaten the seam vs. cover two ....4.72 in the 40.
So he's the replacement for Sternberger when he retires?
Or the replacement for Jimmy Graham?
I saw him break a tackle & not trip over the yard line in his highlight tape .... already has Jimmy beat.
I guess they don't think much of Tonyan's potential, but maybe they do think MVS just had an Adams-esque "sophomore" (softmore?) slump. It's a head scratch situation, but it is a receiving option.
Maybe the Packers will trade for Curtis Samuel from the Panthers. Heard he might get traded this weekend.
This has to be some kind of a joke, right? Even if GB fell in love with this dude, at least have the common sense to trade back and pick him up later. 3rd round? Come on man...
Save me the secret squirrel BS that other teams were going to take him and GB beat them all to the punch.
No I think this is a guy they REALLY wanted and didnât want to risk him not being available in R5. None of these picks have been âpanicâ picks (I guess thatâs good?), I think they went into the draft looking to draft these guys. Canât imagine things havenât played out like they expected.
Yeah....mentioned before that Matt Maiocco had him mocked to the Niners in the 5th round. Niners need another TE & he would've been perfect in the 5th but the Pack didn't have their late 4th anymore, which is why they probably just took their guy.
Feels like another Richard Rodgers selection.
@Grave Digger posted:No I think this is a guy they REALLY wanted and didnât want to risk him not being available in R5. None of these picks have been âpanicâ picks (I guess thatâs good?), I think they went into the draft looking to draft these guys. Canât imagine things havenât played out like they expected.
Isn't that bad drafting? Having a "list" instead of letting the board come to you? Asking for a friend named Brian.
Gute justifies trading the 4th round pick to move up for a QB that won't play for 4 years by picking 4th round talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds----See fellas, not only did I get that 4th round choice back--I got two of them!...These choices wouldn't look so bad-- if it wasn't for the fact that after making an excellent selection of Alexander in 2018-he went on to not just whiff, but miss entirely on 10 selections---you could put names on a dart board and do better than he did in 2018...and then extending it to Rashard Gary at #12 in 2019...wow!
Right... this flies in the face of "BPA". Listen, if GB truly had this fucking TE as their BPA in R3 they all need to collectively pack their shit and GTFO out of GB.
BPA went out the window with the 2nd and 3rd round picks. They took specific guys they wanted, draft value be damned.
If RTFB is truly the goal here, Mr Gute-bar had best address his OL deficiencies today. Linsley and Wagner are not exactly poster boys for outside zone. Looking back at the struggles with running the ball last year, sure seemed like it was mostly due to piss poor OL play than RB not being able to find a hole.
I guess itâs better to get 3 guys you truly believe in. Maybe Gute will go down in flames, but you have to admire his courage. Heâs living and dying by the guys he wants and thinks will be stars. Gute certainly swings for the fences, which is kind of nice to see after years of Ted taking low ceiling players like Derek Sherrod and Datone Jones.
Well I don't get it. This guy just does not profile like a potential starting TE. Seems to be an H-Back. Seems like Gute and Lefleur want this team to turn back the clock and become a grind it out, 90's style run-first offense. My concern is that this OL isn't good enough to do that. Plus, this team lost to the 49ers b/c of their run defense and nothing has been done to shore that up.
Hopefully Gute is playing chess and we're all playing checkers because I just don't see how this draft gets us any closer to a Super Bowl.
@Chongo posted:BPA went out the window with the 2nd and 3rd round picks. They took specific guys they wanted, draft value be damned.
If RTFB is truly the goal here, Mr Gute-bar had best address his OL deficiencies today. Linsley and Wagner are not exactly poster boys for outside zone. Looking back at the struggles with running the ball last year, sure seemed like it was mostly due to piss poor OL play than RB not being able to find a hole.
Yup- both huge reaches with questionable talent. Let's hope this is Gute's last draft.
@Boris posted:......I think we just drafted a George Kittle clone.
Deguara's going to be an H-Back/FB player and will function much in the same role as San-Fran's Kyle Jusczyk. MLF following his Shannahan roots.
Trying to make myself feel better. First 2 picks were like, ok well, could be good in the future(Love) and add diversity to the RB position(Dillon)...but this 3rd pick. Real head scratcher....not the philosophy but the guy they took..
PROS: Versatile blocker and receiver. Can win both in-line and flexed as a receiver with experience running routes to all levels of the field. Like his route pace and timing - showcases a strong understanding of reading coverage and adjusting on the fly. Vertical route running skills are excellent. Does well to execute seamless vertical cuts and selling them. Good balance and posture as a route runner. Has proven to be an effective seam-busting target with excellent ball skills. Natural tracking and adjusting skills to the football in the air. Hands are soft and secure. Illustrates the ability to consistently catch the football outside of this frame while tightly holding on through contact. Finds success working in space as a positional blocker. Overall blocking effort is outstanding. Has enough juice, decisiveness and physicality to be effective after the catch. Outstanding competitor.
CONS: Modest physical traits in terms of size, length and athletic ability - fairly ordinary across the board. Needs to get stronger to find success blocking in the trenches at the next level. He competes hard but his lack of strength, length and consistency staying square are limiting as a blocker. Not a true above the rim guy that is going to extend his catch radius vertically or a candidate for jump ball opportunities.
BEST TRAIT - Competitive Toughness
WORST TRAIT - Pedestrian Physical Ability
RED FLAGS - None
NFL COMP - Tyler Conklin
Pop on Josiah Deguaraâs tape and you will immediately appreciate his competitive toughness. Whether itâs exchanging power in the trenches, competing with the ball in his hands, trailing plays as they elongate down the field to hit a block or busting his ass to tackle an intercepting defender, he brings the juice. Deguara brings a balanced skill set to the table in terms of blocking and receiving where heâs been productive on both fronts in college. The challenge with Deguara and forecasting him at the next level is that he has pedestrian physical gifts and isnât dominant in any one area. With that said, his proficiency in multiple areas profiles him well as a TE2 that should provide valuable depth and meaningful special teams contributions to his NFL team. His ceiling is modest but his floor is high.