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I can't remember the last time I saw a receiver get open on a deep ball as often as I see MVS do it.  I also can't remember the last time I saw a receiver drop as many of those deep balls that hit him in the hands.

I think the balls he has the most problems with consistently are the ones that come in at about stomach height.  Having played some WR at a small college, I can tell you they can be tricky for the simple reason that they are not low enough or high enough to easily catch with your hands away from your body because the ball strike point is in a no-man's land between being underhand or overhand.  You basically either have to train yourself to go low with an overhand position or get good at the basket catch.  He's a professional and should have this figured our by now but I think I get it.

But really, you see teams across the league hit a deep TD throw fairly often but defenses don't often let that happen more than once a game.  MVS seems to do it a lot (minus the games he completely disappears).  He needs a sports psychologist or hypnotist or something to help him concentrate better during those types of opportunities.

I don't think it's a concentration issue, I think it's a tracking the ball issue.    I never played WR but I imaging tracking a deep ball is a lot like chasing down a fly ball or line drive and I have played plenty of outfield.   

When you're sprinting full speed, the ball is bouncing in around in your vision if you're not light on your feet.    I'm guessing that is his problem, he just isn't a natural at catching the ball and when he is running full go with his helmet flopping around a bit, he's not able to track it right into his hands every time.

I don't see him ever getting better.    That's not to say he is useless, because the guy has 700 yards and 6 TD's.     But I think this is his ceiling and this is what he will always be.   His wheels give him the opportunity to be 1200 and 12, but his hands make him 700 and 6.

Not tracking the ball properly may only be an issue if it puts him in a place where he has to body catch.  Because he tracks the ball well enough to put his numbers where the ball is going.  He had no problem on the TD because he was able to catch the ball with his hands up and away from his face.  The ball came in at shoulder height.  I think it was even an over-the-shoulder catch (high underhand position) which is not as easy as it looks.  Otherwise it's a matter of him adjusting his arms/hands to allow him to catch away from his body. 

MVS has gotten pretty close to Adams and he's been a very big influence on him. My guess is the offseason work has Adams finger prints on it. And considering how many Packer fans wanted "Duhvante" run out of here on a rail after his 2nd year, he certainly knows something about proving people wrong.

MVS also looks more ripped, then again maybe it was just me staring at his ass.    

The drops drive me crazy but MVS has the one thing that every team is desperate for in the passing game - a legit deep threat.  Even with the drops, defenses have to account for MVS' ability to beat coverage deep.  James Jones had those issues and IMO, it capped his career ceiling.  Hopefully MVS can figure it out this year b/c if he can haul in just half of the passes he dropped, it'd be huge for this offense. 

Even with the drops he still was far and away one of the top deep threats in the league in 2020. If he can improve that area of his game he's only going to get better. Drops are obviously, bad man it won't take much for this kid to break out. If he does and we add another legit outside receiver, then Adams can wreak havoc from the Slot more often. I like Lazard a lot, so if you add a legit #2 then we have easily the deepest WR group in the league.

@packerboi posted:

MVS has gotten pretty close to Adams and he's been a very big influence on him. My guess is the offseason work has Adams finger prints on it.

Adams obviously helped him with his release - no better teacher out there.
But the hand-eye stuff is likely coming from Luke Getsy, former WR coach who uses all kinds of interesting drills, including the tennis balls shown in video.

Looking forward to seeing MVS in 2021

@Pikes Peak posted:

If the O line is as good and stable as last year, if Jones remains healthy and Oak Tree Legs can take a lot of productive snaps and if AR plays near as well as last year the current receiver corpse (thanks Obama) will be just fine.

If.

The Packers' post-season success next year may be as dependent on how fast Bakh recovers from his torn ACL than any other factor. He's a HOF LT. Those guys don't grow on trees and, other than QB, they do more to make everyone else better than any other position on offense.

The Packers' post-season success next year may be as dependent on how fast Bakh recovers from his torn ACL than any other factor. He's a HOF LT. Those guys don't grow on trees and, other than QB, they do more to make everyone else better than any other position on offense.

WHO, I might add we drafted in the FOURTH round. Cracks me up a couple years later when they redid that draft for a news story he was the number one pick.

It's a crap shot... Where would Aaron Jones be drafted if they redid that draft?

@YATittle posted:

WHO, I might add we drafted in the FOURTH round. Cracks me up a couple years later when they redid that draft for a news story he was the number one pick.

It's a crap shot... Where would Aaron Jones be drafted if they redid that draft?

If you go by the Career Average Value metric that Footballreference.com has, Bakh is BY FAR the most valuable draft pick from that class. The top guys are Bakh (84), Kelce (69), D. Hopkins (68), L. Bell (62), and E. Fisher (61).

https://www.pro-football-refer...years/2013/draft.htm

Aaron Jones, by the same metric, is 15th in his class in 2017.

You know another guy the Packers got great value on this century? Chad Clifton. He's the 4th most valuable pick in his class (Brady (7th rounder), Urlacher, and John Abraham are the only guys more valuable. Tauscher (7th round) ranks #15 overall from that class.

That means for about 90% of the last 20 years, the Packers have had an excellent to outstanding left tackle and didn't have to spend a first round pick to do it. If you redid those drafts, Bakh would probably go #1 overall and Clifton would easily be a top 10 pick.

For whatever reason, with a couple of exceptions (Spriggs and Sherrod) the Packers have been outstanding at drafting and developing OL for the last 25 years. Bakh, Clifton, Tauscher, Lang, Sitton, Jenkins, Linsley, Tretter, Bulaga, Rivera, Flanagan, and Wahle have all been Pro-Bowl level. And only Bulaga was a first round pick.

@CUPackFan posted:

I think that need is blown out of proportion.  Rodgers didn't help but what QB isn't going to want more receivers?  I think with Adams plus MVS, Lazard and Tonyan, Rodgers has a pretty solid top 4 guys.  And Jones is a very good receiver out of the backfield.  Just not sure where a rookie WR fits in that.  Maybe 4th option?

I think it’s viewed as a need, much like CB, because we have zero starters or depth under contract for β€˜22. Of course there’s a very real possibility that we resign Adams and Jaire during the season, if not before, but we’re still looking at losing MVS, Lazard, EQ, Tonyan, King, Sullivan, Jackson, etc. They can’t keep them all, I expect they will go on a drafting surge at both positions, 6/10 draft picks being WR and DB.

@packerboi posted:

MVS also looks more ripped, then again maybe it was just me staring at his ass.    

A lot of defenders were looking at the same thing once MVS put them in his rearview mirror. I forgot which team we were playing last year, probably the DUM DUM Bears, but they had a linebacker covering MVS, I've never seen a receiver more wide open !!!!!    End result TOUCHDOWN PACKERS.

They should keep Tonyan, Lazard, MVS, EQ, and probably Sullivan AND bring in more guys to challenge them for a spot. Resting on them as your starters breeds roster complacency, the new McCarthyism.

I should note, my homerism comment isn’t directed at your comment alone.  Seeing things like β€œthey have a pretty solid top 4 WR crew” or something.

Tonyan is about the only name on there that would cause some concern as far as signing or not.  They aren’t all scrubs and some have potential but I’ll point to Sullivan when it really counted.  He wasn’t drafted for a reason and that shit shows up in the playoffs every time.  He did a respectable job during the season but not when it counted.  

It’s because of this that guys like Lazard, etc. need some serious evaluation for a couple of years but it definitely doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be a steady stream of competition.  How many times did the next β€œgem” fall off the map after a couple of years?      

If you’re talking about the new McCarthyism (nice btw), why are they still dicking around with the shotgun receivers Gunt drafted like a champ.  Seeing these guys tells me Gunt is way more concerned with numbers than if they can actually catch the fucking ball.  J’Mon Moore made MVS look like Lester Hayes for fuck’s sake.  EQ did squat last year.  Lazard I’m giving a pass due to injury.  

Point being, these shouldn’t be tough roster decisions to make.  If they are the new era of McCarthyism is here.

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