ROUND 5 PICK 174 - WR MARQUEZ VALDES-SCANTLING (SOUTH FLORIDA)

ammo posted:

michiganjoe posted:

Aaron Jones in four games without Davante Adams: 27 targets, 19 catches, 280 receiving yards, three receiving TDs

Aaron Jones in three games since Adams' return: four targets, one catch, -1 receiving yard, no receiving TDs

— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) November 25, 2019

Coaches/QB have done a poor job of keeping Jones properly involved in the offense with Davante back.

Maybe we shopuld trade Davante during the off season and get all we can for him.  LB, OT depth, DL depth.  Then AR12 has to look elsewhere. 

That elsewhere would be California.

MVS....he might be hurt & trying to play through it. 

The great QBs somehow get the ball to everyone, no matter who is playing WR or RB. Rodgers' infatuation with getting the ball to Adams is where Rodgers has gone off the rails the past couple years. Spread the ball, and he has success.

The fact is ,@MVS__11 is better than any WR ROOKIE IN THE DRAFT, so the @packers were correct by drafting @jordan3love instead of a WR, #gopack i have come around, now you can too

— leroy butler (@leap36) September 24, 2020

I would hope a 3rd year player catching passes from an NFL HOFer performs better than rookie WRs who may/may not have great QB play and had no real offseason to prepare for the season. Leroy knows what he's talking about of course, but I think it's premature to make any judgements about any team. Usually a month/4 games is a good benchmark to see what a team and players are actually doing. 

Fair to say the claims of many of the desperate need at WR were incorrect, but that's about as far as you can go. 

I think LeRoy's correct in terms of MVS' impact vs. a rookie WR. It's even more the case during the COVID19 situation, since there were no preseason games to work through things in live reps. Other than QB, WR probably requires the most adjustments from college to pros in terms of the mental part of things. Something like DL, it's more just line up and beat your guy. Route running by WRs is a precise process and requires adjustments during the play based on what coverage you are getting. 

I would argue that the question isn't whether they should have drafted a WR/TE instead of Love. It's whether they should have drafted DL/ILB instead of Love. 

If Rodgers continues to play at this level, it will be interesting to hear (in about 10 years when they do those sort of retrospective interviews) whether Gute/MLF expected Rodgers to play like he has the last 2 games, and if they didn't, would have still have drafted Love. 

I'm excited about what they've done too, but lets remember that it's 2 games and 2 games against horrible pass defenses. 

Let's see how they do against a competent pass rush on Monday.

MVS is not better than Patrick Queen.  And Queen is a rookie.

@Boris posted:

The fact is ,@MVS__11 is better than any WR ROOKIE IN THE DRAFT, so the @packers were correct by drafting @jordan3love instead of a WR, #gopack i have come around, now you can too

— leroy butler (@leap36) September 24, 2020

That is some green and yellow (gold my ass) glasses there.

Here’s how I look at it. Even in a normal season, with rookie OTAs, then regular OTAs, a June minicamp, a full pre season and a normal training camp, rookie WRs, including those taken in the first 3 rounds rarely produce a lot or are that impactful. Yes, there are exceptions to that but let’s face it unless you are drafting a Randy Moss or a Mike Evans HIGH in the first its a rare reality teams will see.

Now let’s look at a Covid offseason. These WRs had virtually NONE of the above. Just maybe MLF and Gute knowing this felt it was almost pointless taking a WR who almost certainly would not grasp this offense with no offseason vs MVS, Allison etc who knew it and who’s ceiling was still high. 

@Henry posted:

That is some green and yellow (gold my ass) glasses there.

the metal, gold,  in its purest form = yellow
Here's the official color pantene for the packers so you can make sure your boa matches yer ass and your chaps

https://usteamcolors.com/green...packers-team-colors/

Don't equate luster with color. The Saints/49ers helmets are beige if you remove the metallic sheen.

Green and Gold.

@Boris posted:

The fact is ,@MVS__11 is better than any WR ROOKIE IN THE DRAFT, so the @packers were correct by drafting @jordan3love instead of a WR, #gopack i have come around, now you can too

— leroy butler (@leap36) September 24, 2020

The framing of this argument is ludicrous.  

If you're drafting for THIS year (which he strongly implies by comparing MVS to a rookie WR), then Love is an even worse pick than a WR, and the comparison should be drafting Love vs drafting Patrick Queen, or a DL, etc.  

mustard yellow

It's friggin' yellow.  Don't worry, yellow isn't any less manly.  Gold my boa wearing chapped ass.

Is my pink feather "pink diamond"?  No, it's just pink.

@YATittle posted:

mustard yellow

School bus yellow! 

You did some real nice cookie icing there Chongo!

@PackLandVA posted:

MVS is not better than Patrick Queen.  And Queen is a rookie.

Um, MVS leads Queen by 7 catches and 160 yards already this year. He's clearly better. 

Queen has ZERO drops!!

MVS has zero missed tackles though. 

@Grave Digger posted:

MVS has zero missed tackles though. 

What's the Arrow got to do with this?

@PackLandVA posted:

Queen has ZERO drops!!

 

Not true, he dropped an INT that hit him in the hands.

May be a 1 trick pony right now, but it's a pretty good trick.

It's pantone, not pantene.

Isn’t that the stuff with cheese curds and gravy?

No, that's Pettine.

@H5 posted:

May be a 1 trick pony right now, but it's a pretty good trick.

Everywhere else on the field he gets hit hard.

Been pretty critical of MVS but he had a really nice game today. Hopefully something he can build off of.

@michiganjoe posted:

Been pretty critical of MVS but he had a really nice game today. Hopefully something he can build off of.

He made a couple really heady plays. Not sure how long his leash is, but hopefully he gains some confidence from this and cuts down on his liability. He should get similar opportunities once Lazard comes back. He needs to ramp it up down the stretch.

Like many, it seems the source for his issues is between his ears.

I’d go with “between his thumbs and pinkies”.

Starts with the mind.

Don't know if he did it on purpose, but smert to use the ref as a pick.

MVS is currently on pace to finish with 45 catches, 822 yards and 7-8 TD’s.

Lazard probably eats into MVS targets when he comes back but the above production is better then the production the Packers would have gotten from most Rookie WRs in their first year, including higher draft picks.

That’s also the kind of production you’d love out of most #2 WRs as well

I would be ecstatic if MVS became a consistent one trick pony.  He truly can open up the field then.  Lazard and Adams would benefit nicely if defenses are having to peel off a defender to try and hang with MVS or him just straight taking it to the house.

I think it was his second grab yesterday that looked like a NFL grab.  Arms extended, pulled it in with his hands.  That was nice to see.

Sure.  Can we do one of these "on pace for" posts after he disappears again?  His rap has always been lack of consistency.  Being a good #2 WR isn't just about numbers, it's about being a consistent second option when #1 is drowning in coverage.  When Lazard gets back that will be less of a criticism because he'll be back down to #3.  At that point, if he simply stops dropping the ball, all will be well for him.