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@michiganjoe posted:

MVS fumble is similar to the Bostick botched onside kick- fans focus on it because when it occurred but plenty of other mistakes during the game just as pivotal.

I agree in terms of it not being a single play that lost the game, but it's much different in the scheme of things. MVS' fumble wasn't the result of doing something against the coaching staff's instructions. He ran the play that was called and just fumbled the ball on a hit. You could argue that he had poor ball security just as you can argue that running those types of plays to guys with MVS' body type is questionable. Those plays often are run to slot receivers or RBs who are used to running with the ball in traffic. But you can't argue he wasn't doing exactly what he was expected to do.

Bostick's botched onside kick was inexcusable because he did exactly the opposite of what he was supposed to do. He was supposed to go and block the Seattle kickoff coverage guys and let Nelson (positioned directly behind him for an easy recovery) cover the kick. MVS' mistake was more like if Nelson had missed the ball (which he never got a chance to make a play on).

A similar play was Ty Montgomery bringing the kickoff back from the end zone against the Rams a few years ago despite being ordered to not come out.

The Bostick and Montgomery mistakes are ones you cut guys the next day for (at least guys that don't have a lot of upside). The MVS fumble was just a play that happens sometimes. Heck, even the greatest receiver in NFL history fumbled away a chance to win a playoff game with poor ball security (at least that's what should have happened with the Jerry Rice non-fumble in the 1998 playoff game).

@YATittle posted:

And looking at that replay it's as much on the two blockers as it is him. They let the guy through.... weak.

Always tuck the ball in the outside arm, away from traffic -peewee football. But he didn't have much time as the defender got on him immediately due to the failed blocking.

Think most agree that MVS is a decent 3/4 WR. He definitely has ability(speed) that can be useful as the game script unfolds. He's a problem when he needs to be relied upon(if he's the 2/3 due to injury)...much like a Corey Bradford or a Nelson Agholor. #Clank

@Tschmack posted:

No one should be subject to that type of behavior.  I mean, WTF is wrong with people?   Guess it’s the day and age we live in and social media doesn’t help.

The bigger question is why they called that play with MVS running it.  

It could be to break a tendency that they usually throw that to Adams and he was on the other side of the formation. But sometimes there's a good reason to have a tendency.

@YATittle posted:

2-3 times a game we should be uncorking that bomb to him as it doesn't seem like anyone can cover him, and if he draws the safety away others can feast.

Yep, once a quarter should be the low end of the bar for this. Just do it at the appropriate time. First down when you are out past the 25 yard line. 2nd and short is another great spot for it, especially if you mix in some play action.

@Tschmack posted:

No one should be subject to that type of behavior.  I mean, WTF is wrong with people?   Guess it’s the day and age we live in and social media doesn’t help.

This is the net result from all forms of "social media".
It empowers people to bully, harass, stalk, and threaten, among other things, with little to no worry of repercussions.

First of all, Timmy, you're an idiot and I'm going to come to your house and kick your ass....

Second, does anybody know the details of the threats MVS says he received? If I'm him and the Packers, I'd want them investigated to the fullest extent, even if it took paying for a private investigation. Let's face it, people who make these threats aren't generally the sharpest knifes in the drawer and probably haven't hidden their tracks very well. Somebody needs to be charged and made an example of.

...on the other hand....if there is no actual evidence of actual threats (and we can all name plenty of "made-up" cases)---MVS needs to be severely dealt with.

Just my .02 cents.....and I'm still gonna kick your ass Timmy.

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@michiganjoe posted:

Thought Shepard's fumble on the return was a more egregious mistake. Need to either get Ervin back or make a change because he's not cuttin' it.

I have no material evidence to show, but I called the Shepard fumble during commercial before they kicked off. More as a "seen this far too many times over the years and a shaky return man spells trouble in this situation." Colts are ball hawks and Shepard was ripe to F up in such a big moment. It was also egregious because the weary, suck defense had to trot on the field again right away. I think the case can be made that eliminating any one critical mistake would have won the game, whether it be the Shepard play or any other half dozen that turned the tide the wrong way. And after the death threat garbage, I hope MVS comes back and makes it fuel to the fire motivation. He screwed up, it was part of why they lost. On to the Bores.

@Blair Kiel posted:

First of all, Timmy, you're an idiot and I'm going to come to your house and kick your ass....

Second, does anybody know the details of the threats MVS says he received? If I'm him and the Packers, I'd want them investigated to the fullest extent, even if it took paying for a private investigation. Let's face it, people who make these threats aren't generally the sharpest knifes in the drawer and probably haven't hidden their tracks very well. Somebody needs to be charged and made an example of.

...on the other hand....if there is no actual evidence of actual threats (and we can all name plenty of "made-up" cases)---MVS needs to be severely dealt with.

Just my .02 cents.....and I'm still gonna kick your ass Timmy.

Speaking of being 1 card short of a full deck, it's knives.

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