He sometimes looks like a greased cannonball when he's slip sliding through the second level. Slippery but in a tough way.
Pay him, the offense looks much different without him. Unless he wants to be paid like RB1, I think you find a way to keep him.
Money is going to be tight for most teams in 2021. Unless one of the few teams with a really low cap number throw something crazy at him, maybe we can keep him.
Running back Aaron Jones. The Packers had a deal on the table that would have made Jones among the top five highest-paid backs in the league, but that was in terms of average per year. The big guaranteed money was missing. So Jones turned it down and then opted to change agents, hiring Drew Rosenhaus. The Packers continue to see how valuable Jones is -- just look at his 60-yard run to open the second half of the playoff game against the Rams -- but it's hard to imagine them upping their guaranteed money, especially if they want to re-sign All Pro center Corey Linsley. Perhaps the decision already has been made to let him go -- or least hit the market -- but it couldn't have been an easy one. -- Rob Demovsky
Big mistake. Franchise tag Jones. That's leverage to work out a longer term deal, and any back that doesn't go for a longer term deal....
there's a little bit of negotiation room on the guaranteed cash, but Gute isn't interested in upping the offer just so Rosenhaus can shop that offer. IF Jones is willing to sign for the added guarantees, I think they'll do it. But if Rosenhaus just says, "give us your best and final" ...they won't move an inch.
Gute is willing to pull his pants down, but only if they're gonna consummate.
Jones will likely hit FA and end up choosing between a rich, crappy team or the Packers winning franchise and a competitive offer. I hope he chooses wisely, but history is not on our side.
I agree, but don't we still have leverage with the franchise tag?
TBF to 33...he was a 5th round pick, and grossly underpaid thus far. I don't blame him for wanting to get himself some "fuck you money," this time.
Rosenhaus doesn't have the luster he once did...he has a couple of higher-profile clients, but he's not the shark everyone thinks he is.
The salary cap is going to be reduced this year...back-loaded contracts are going to be the reality for a lot of teams this year, not just the Packers. I also think teams are not lining up to pay big money to RB like they used to.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/ra...unning-back/cap-hit/
Looking at that list, I'd compare him favorably to a McCaffrey on ability and production (not including this injury year for McCaffrey) so he's probably due that kind of payday.
Linsley has been solid this year, but re-sign him if it means you can't re-sign 33? Hard pass.
Linsley made $8.15M in 2019 and $10.5M this year from a 3 yr/$25.5M contract.
I doubt he would take a significant cut from that.
He may or may not be worth that much, but I can't see the Packers fitting those type numbers in the cap in 2021.
I let Linsley walk. He's been solid but he's not that far ahead of the avg Center like some of the guys we need to pay are ahead of their position group.
Jones is a special back, I won't be pissed if they pay him like that. Jaier is a special corner and has shut down half of the field all season long. You can't come close to replacing that for league avg salary or a rookie deal. With Linsley, we can move Jenkins to center and put in Runyon or possibly Stepeniak and not lose that much. I'm sure we will draft an interior OL like we always do too.
When you have top talent at premium positions like Rodgers, Jaier, Bahk and Jones. You can't afford to give the Center 10 million a year. I'd make an exception for Jenkins because I think he is a future HOF.
Pay Jones - Let Linsley walk. Tough? yes... but that's the shitty part of this business.
O-Line did fine without Linsley earlier this year & previous years. Aaron Jones is a fucking game changer.
Can they work out an arrangement for free shoes?
@Boris posted:Pay Jones - Let Linsley walk. Tough? yes... but that's the shitty part of this business.
O-Line did fine without Linsley earlier this year & previous years. Aaron Jones is a fucking game changer.
Jenkins at C with Runyan at LG seems like the logical option, yes. Jones just makes plays- sees holes as well as anyone we’ve seen in GB. I think he wants to stay... but the Packers will need to shed about $25M from the cap before they do anything.
Just looking at the Packers’ cap situation next year... what a mess. It sure looks like there’s going to be a major roster purge this offseason. You could see some big names get cut- Preston Smith, Mason Crosby, Adrian Amos, Christian Kirksey, Rick Wagner, Billy Turner... and that’s just to get under the cap.
Not much of a commitment from the team if the guaranteed money for Jones wasn't there.
Then they damn well better win the Super Bowl this season. The time is now.
@Music City posted:Jenkins at C with Runyan at LG seems like the logical option, yes. Jones just makes plays- sees holes as well as anyone we’ve seen in GB. I think he wants to stay... but the Packers will need to shed about $25M from the cap before they do anything.
Just looking at the Packers’ cap situation next year... what a mess. It sure looks like there’s going to be a major roster purge this offseason. You could see some big names get cut- Preston Smith, Mason Crosby, Adrian Amos, Christian Kirksey, Rick Wagner, Billy Turner... and that’s just to get under the cap.
I suspect some of the guys under contract past next year get some restructuring done to at least lower some of that cap number. That said, some of those guys you mention are not coming back, there’s no way they can keep them all.
Some of those guys that Music City mentioned have such a high dead money hit it's likely they would have to be restructured as opposed to an outright release.
If the cap is going to be lowered as predicted, it's going to be ugly. Not only are they roughly $25M over, room has to be made for any extensions/re-signings, FA acquisitions, and the draft pool. As 'phoe93 said, we're likely going to lose players in any case.
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Running back Aaron Jones. The Packers had a deal on the table that would have made Jones among the top five highest-paid backs in the league, but that was in terms of average per year. The big guaranteed money was missing. So Jones turned it down and then opted to change agents, hiring Drew Rosenhaus. The Packers continue to see how valuable Jones is -- just look at his 60-yard run to open the second half of the playoff game against the Rams -- but it's hard to imagine them upping their guaranteed money, especially if they want to re-sign All Pro center Corey Linsley. Perhaps the decision already has been made to let him go -- or least hit the market -- but it couldn't have been an easy one. -- Rob Demovsky
I really love what Jones brings this offense but to me its a no brainer you sign the all pro center first. You are protecting the franchise by having a really good OL and you can find another RB somewhere. I would HATE to see him go because damn he is good but I am not the biggest fan of overpaying for a RB.
The Packers drafted Dillon in the 2nd round for reason. They knew that if Jones had another big year, he'd price himself out of their plans. You obviously try to get a deal done, but it might be a lost cause.
He's a special player and a real difference maker. I think they need to find a way to sign him. I would definitely sign him over Linsley.
As Andrew Brandt said on a radio interview a couple months ago, the Packers will never enter cap Hell. Ever.
That the Packers made jones an offer to be among the top 5 RB's in the NFL (avg per year) tells you they want him back. But Brandt also pointed out, the Packers have a number in mind for every player. They will not significantly waver from that number. He explained it's essentially a "take-it-or-leave-it" mindset.
I hope he's back, but I also understand this is a frankly brutal business. And more often then not, the Packers have made the right decisions with regard to contracts.
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@DocBenni posted:The Packers drafted Dillon in the 2nd round for reason. They knew that if Jones had another big year, he'd price himself out of their plans. You obviously try to get a deal done, but it might be a lost cause.
When the Packers drafted Dillon, I thought the Dillon signing meant the end of Jamaal Williams in GB, not Aaron Jones. Williams and Dillon are two bruising backs. Not a lot of finesse there. Wondering if Gute has an eye on a speedy, finesse RB, for this next draft? From what I've read, Gute and the Packer Scouts have had their eye on Dillon, since he was in High School. Maybe they have another RB, in their sights?
I'd be surprised if they didn't draft at least one RB this year if they move on from Jones. I don't think Shitbird is the answer to any question at RB depth.
@YATittle posted:Lang
beluga
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casey Hayward
micah hyde
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Sorry, but Micah Hyde is still super racist. Every QB he's picked off this year has been white. We don't need that kind of behavior in GB.
It's pretty easy to find ~$20M in cap hit reductions with cuts to non-essential players (meaning guys whose replacement is already on the roster/playing or whose production wouldn't be hard to replace at a lower number). Preston Smith leads at $8M but cutting others like Kirksey, Lowrey, J Jackson, Sternberger also contribute to savings. Extensions for Z' and D Adams could also provide some wiggle room.
There are paths forward but I don't think the Packers are going to make a Todd Gurley/David Johnson type of commitment to the RB position. Small guys (relatively) getting beaten up by big guys 15-25 times a game just doesn't point to longevity.
If the overall cap number is going to be lower, that suggests that the whole league will need to adjust their contracts. More than any year, i think there are going to be a lot of upset players that won't get the contract number they want.
The NFL needs to quit dicking around and leave the cap where it's at. They make plenty of money.
There are enough franchises owned by people whose main income derives from the team that there's no way they'll simply absorb the hit they took this year. All those unbought beers and parking passes are going to be paid by the players next year.
Something I've mentioned before and may be why the Packers see a specific $$ for most/all players and their take-it-or-leave-it approach, they don't have a deep pockets owner. Granted, every team has to live within the cap, but the cost to GB for over-paying or missing on a big contract FA is different than to say Jones or Kraft, Snyder... All have the cap hit, but the Packers, while set well financially, are limited in their cash reserves. Their approach and decisions are coming from a different POV.
@GBFanForLife posted:The NFL needs to quit dicking around and leave the cap where it's at. They make plenty of money.
I agree with keeping the cap the same...the league has enough money to borrow against future earnings to keep the cap where it is.
Whatever the dollar amount...what is it, about 20 mil per team? That's $640 million... they could probably pay half of that in cash and float the remainder.
I just finished a Chicago Tribune article from last June that calculated national media payments to each team @ $275M. That's roughly the operating costs for a team (player and staff salaries + operations). They then estimated revenues from other sources at $130M/ team average ($150M median, Only GB published @ $204M/2019). That is the owner's cut and this year it's essentially 0. There's the reason for the salary cap reduction.
The debt cap for franchises was raised to $500M (from $350M). Some of the franchises were likely close to the old limit, especially if they've recently moved into a new stadium. So it's conceivable some owners will take out loans to pay signing bonuses instead of reaching into their wallets. At today's interest rate that might make sense.
Brian Gutekunst on #Packers RB Aaron Jones: "We would love to have Aaron back. I think he’s such an important part of our offense this year, he’s a dynamic player. He’s absolutely everything we want in a professional football player. ... So we’d certainly like to bring him back."
Appears the Packers are still trying to find a way to sign him. And I still wouldn’t rule out the possibility of a franchise tag.
The other consideration in all this is Mayo values the run game quite a bit more than the Packers past regimes. Jones isn't the typical "disposable" RB in a scheme like this. Add the fact he just has so many other talents it would be silly to let him go.