2nd time Aaron Jones has received O player of the week this year. Not bad after only 8 weeks. And I get the sense MLF is just scratching the surface of how he's going to use Jones the rest of the year. And that includes MLF putting Williams and Jones in the backfield together. Good luck with that. 

ChilliJon posted:

2nd time Aaron Jones has received O player of the week this year. Not bad after only 8 weeks. And I get the sense MLF is just scratching the surface of how he's going to use Jones the rest of the year. And that includes MLF putting Williams and Jones in the backfield together. Good luck with that. 

Love that backfield with BOTH of them considering they're both adequate at least on blitz pickup, threats to run or receive.

oldschool posted:
fightphoe93 posted:

The level of play Jones is playing at right now, he is the best RB the Pack has had since Ahman Green was at his peak in 2003. 

 

Uhm...let's not put him in the Ring of Honor quite yet.

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Considering no Packer RB has been added to the Packers HOF since Ahman, looks like a Straw Man at work here. 

Care to name the RB's we've had since Green that were better than Jones? 

Ryan Grant? Had a few really good years. Never was a dynamic player. 4.3 career YPC, slightly abover average. 29 TD's in 5 seasons.  

Eddie Lacy? Couple of good years. Crowd favorite until the buffets did him in. 4.2 career YPC. 30 TD's in his 4 years in GB. 

Jones' YPC is down this year but still 5.0 for his career. When he's split out it's like having another WR on the field. 24 TD's in 2 1/2 seasons and 11 in 8 games this year. 

No one else is worth mentioning. Who you taking out of those 3 today?

DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

ammo posted:
DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

It's also what MM tried to with Cobb quite often. The problem was that he wasn't big enough to carry the ball enough to force defenses to play an extra DB consistently. 

Montgomery was a great RB against the Bears for 4 games in 2016 and 2017. Against everyone else he was average. 

In the 4 games against the Bears in 2016-2017, he had 36 carries for 304 yards and 3 TDs. 8.4 yards per carry. He had a 16 carry, 162 yard game and another 9 carry, 60 yard game. 

In the other 45 games of his career, he's had 167 carries for 668 yards and 4 TDs. That's 4.0 yards per carry and a TD every 67 carries. 

Those two games in 2016 with the big yardage totals fooled MM and the staff into thinking he could be a guy that could be a real RB. 

MichiganPacker2 posted:
ammo posted:
DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

It's also what MM tried to with Cobb quite often. The problem was that he wasn't big enough to carry the ball enough to force defenses to play an extra DB consistently. 

Montgomery was a great RB against the Bears for 4 games in 2016 and 2017. Against everyone else he was average. 

In the 4 games against the Bears in 2016-2017, he had 36 carries for 304 yards and 3 TDs. 8.4 yards per carry. He had a 16 carry, 162 yard game and another 9 carry, 60 yard game. 

In the other 45 games of his career, he's had 167 carries for 668 yards and 4 TDs. That's 4.0 yards per carry and a TD every 67 carries. 

Those two games in 2016 with the big yardage totals fooled MM and the staff into thinking he could be a guy that could be a real RB. 

Yeah, he was blind to what he COULD do with Jones, just like he was blind to the amazing possibilities of Taysom Hill and cut him and Sean Peyton in NO has had a field day using this exceptional athlete on special teams, gadget plays, etc.

ammo posted:
DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

Some of the patterns that Jones has run require a lot more skill than a typical RB catching a swing pass out of the backfield. Other than one embarrassing helmet doink, he is probably the best receiving RB the Packers have had in my lifetime of watching games (since 1975). 

Even Ahman Green, who was a great threat out of the backfield on check downs and screens, looked like a RB who would stop to catch the ball on a pass and then run. On the play where he stepped out of bounds at the 10, Jones ran a route where he cut inside to force the LB to turn his hips that way and then blew right past him on the outside. He looked more like Greg Jennings or Davante Adams running a route than a typical RB.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1188621756065615873

The TD he caught earlier in the year where he was facing the other direction and turned his body running full speed to catch the pass is also something you don't see many RBs do. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1186472349102727170

Fedya posted:

To be fair, he said the ring of honor, not the Packers' Hall of Fame.

Yeah, I was trying to back his strawman argument down a little bit. Doing a favor to someone that doesn't deserve one. At least Ahman Green and Packer HOF work within a strawman argument. Ahman Green and Ring of Honor creates a double strawman. 

ammo posted:
DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

That's not what happened from what I recall. RB depth was shredded, so they put Monty there. He performed quite well initially and MM liked what he brought (receiving skills) to the position, so he stuck with him. Then the league figured him out, in the MM scheme.

Yeah, I was trying to back his strawman argument down a little bit

And I was going to crack a joke that the PHOF's standards are so low they'll even enshrine someone like Bill Schroeder.  But I looked it up and they haven't inducted him yet.

ammo posted:
DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

Sure it was.  Doesn't matter what 88 and 33 (interesting #s) skill sets were/are.  MM wanted to use 88 as an "X" factor he could use all over the formation.  Which he did try.  Problem is 88 never solidified himself as a consistent running threat which is half of the whole "dual threat" proposition for such a player.  Jones, above showing dual threat skills, has the added dimension/speed of being able to go the distance on any given play.  I think that is what terrifies defenses the most.  

88 was forced into a RB position when Lacy and all others went out.  Before that, MM was using Cobb out of the backfield to force mismatches, but from my recollection, Cobb never posed much of a threat as a runner so teams didn't adjust as MM would have liked.  88 was not a bad runner and seemed to have potential but the bulk he eventually added seemed to slow him down a bit.  I always though 88 never reached his potential under MM and might have been more successful under a different coach, but it seems he hasn't done anything post-Packer so maybe the Packers got all he had out of him.

GratefulPack posted:

88 was forced into a RB position when Lacy and all others went out.  Before that, MM was using Cobb out of the backfield to force mismatches, but from my recollection, Cobb never posed much of a threat as a runner so teams didn't adjust as MM would have liked.  88 was not a bad runner and seemed to have potential but the bulk he eventually added seemed to slow him down a bit.  I always though 88 never reached his potential under MM and might have been more successful under a different coach, but it seems he hasn't done anything post-Packer so maybe the Packers got all he had out of him.

MM prioritized RB blitz pickup ability above anything else. That's why we put John Kuhn as a single back on the field on passing downs for years. We all loved him, but he was no threat to the defense to run or catch a ball out of the backfield -  unless he was left wide open. Sometimes if worked beautifully (like when he blocked Peppers to allow Rodgers to throw the TD pass to Cobb against the Bears to get into the playoffs a few years ago). Most of the time, it made them entirely predictable and set up a situation where the defense could scheme to stop designed plays and then Rodgers reverted to sandlot football and bailed them out. Having a good blocking RB on the field helped extend those plays, but it was all freelance. 

Exactly....when you get to play 11 on 10, that really gives the defense quite an advantage.

When we talk "stale" that's the shit we're talking about. It's incredibly short sighted & stupid to not use all your personnel.

It's almost like everyone forgets MM had Jones and couldn't figure out how to use him adequately. Jones has more catches after 8 games in 2019 than he had in 2 years with MM. How MM tried to use Montgomery in comparison to Jones is totally irrelevant. He never really figured out how to use either. 

Jones was Ted's last great pick in round 5 2017. Thanks Ted. Same draft that landed Kevin King, Jamaal Williams and Montravius Adams. Not a bad walk off....

ChilliJon posted:

It's almost like everyone forgets MM had Jones and couldn't figure out how to use him adequately. Jones has more catches after 8 games in 2019 than he had in 2 years with MM. How MM tried to use Montgomery in comparison to Jones is totally irrelevant. 

Jones was Ted's last great pick in round 5 2017. Thanks Ted. 

Too much wild ass assumption going on around here. You remind me of Custer...how did that work out? 

MiLF has wisely used Jones as a desperation move with Adams going down...but we don't know if he would have done this without being pushed by circumstance.

It could just be he lucked out...probable even. He didn't start the season with Jones used like this...sooo let's stop projecting genius onto the kid just yet.

Everything has broken MiLF's way so far...and he's having a musical love fest with the players and this supposedly new millennial football culture he has brought with him.

But the question remains....does he have the gravitas to hold it together when things go bad? Not at all sure of that yet. 

 

So you're saying he was forced into devising a game plan that made Jones even more explosive than he already was in the run game?  Or even better, he didn't actually devise the scheme it just showed up on his doorstep and he was obligated to use it? 

Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

We have a new coach who doesn't have his best WR on the field so instead of going McVince he actually created a fantastic plan that exploited KC's weakness all game long. 

Jesus fuck.

Henry posted:

So you're saying he was forced into devising a game plan that made Jones even more explosive than he already was in the run game?  Or even better, he didn't actually devise the scheme it just showed up on his doorstep and he was obligated to use it? 

Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

We have a new coach who doesn't have his best WR on the field so instead of going McVince he actually created a fantastic plan that exploited KC's weakness all game long. 

Jesus fuck.

Ok...so your argument is one game against KC makes MiLF an unimpeachable genius.

And this from the guy railing about peeps liking Ty Summers all preseason.

Irony much? Asking for friends..Sittin Bull and Hunter Biden

LOL, nice deflection.  You basically say Mayo had the game plan "forced" on him yet he actually did something we haven't seen in years.  Even more laughable is your continued use of gravitas.  If Sherman's Pet Boy keeps winning who gives a fuck about gravitas. 

Keep your pathetic shit on track and quit lying about your heritage you cracker nutball.

oldschool posted:

Ok...so your argument is one game against KC makes MiLF an unimpeachable genius.

And this from the guy railing about peeps liking Ty Summers all preseason.

Irony much? Asking for friends..Sittin Bull and Hunter Biden

 You don't deserve a last warning, but this will serve as your notice. Cut the shit. 

Henry posted:

LOL, nice deflection.  You basically say Mayo had the game plan "forced" on him yet he actually did something we haven't seen in years.  Even more laughable is your continued use of gravitas.  If Sherman's Pet Boy keeps winning who gives a fuck about gravitas. 

Keep your pathetic shit on track and quit lying about your heritage you cracker nutball.

So gravitas gets you...cuz u know I'm right. 

I can prove my heritage..and I'm on the tribal voting rolls...racist much?

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