That's not a good sign.
Could be. Could also be a good sign. He's firing his agent and his contract hasn't expired yet. The only thing his agent can be doing is working out a deal with GB and Jones has fired him for failing to do that.
@PackerHawk posted:Could be. Could also be a good sign. He's firing his agent and his contract hasn't expired yet. The only thing his agent can be doing is working out a deal with GB and Jones has fired him for failing to do that.
"Jones has fired him for failing to do that."
Maybe he shit canned the agent because he is telling Jones that he's not going to get a better offer and should take what's on the table.
Or, in alternate lollipop land, his agent planned on dragging him all over the place for as much money as possible and Jones just wants a respectable contract and to finish his career in Green Bay.
If the agent said that he's a bad agent, which is a good reason to fire the guy.
My guess is the agent is playing hard ball and AJ would rather they actually negotiate with GB. If Jones gets to FA he'll get a very big deal from someone, and the agent is probably telling him that. That $$$ likely comes from someone who won't sniff the playoffs and is thinking Jones is a missing piece that they don't have to draft/develop.
He seems like that kind of guy, humble, so it wouldn't be shocking. At the same time, he seems really intelligent too. So he knows that, despite what people making 80k a year say, there is a big fucking difference between 10 million and 12 million a year.
I'm guessing 2 million.
Iād hate to lose him because heās gives the Pack a tremendous trio of playmakers. Rodgers, Adams, and Jones. Maybe they arenāt quite Aikman, Irvin, and Smith but theyāre still a damn good trio.
I have to admit though that thereās a small tier of backs that are better than he is and if he starts asking for more than what a guy like Kamara is getting, you probably need to let him walk. Heās a top ten back, maybe even borderline top 5. But guys like Henry, Cook, and Kamara are in another tier from him.
I'd take AR + 17 over Aikman and Irvin. Smith had a long term HOF career but peak A Jones isn't much of a downgrade from Emmit, if at all.
I would take our trio over that DAL bunch.
@Henry posted:I'm guessing 2 million.
I did the math, your guess is really, really good. Well done.
@Henry posted:I'm guessing 2 million.
If it had been multiple choice, I stood a chance.
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Welp, Aaron already negotiated with Drew that if he signs on to be his agent, his brother is coming with him 
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Rosenhaus has a long history in the NFL and the Packers know him well. If the Packers can put together a fair offer, I don't think this drags out and Jones will sign.
I can understand the apparent frustration that Jones may feel, but don't think representation was the issue. Packers (like much of the league) just doesn't place a high value on the position.
You can find good productive backs all over the draft. The question is how much do you want to pay for the "extra" Jones provides beyond being just good. How much would our offense lose by replacing Jones with some one closer to average playing on a rookie contract?
@DH13 posted:I'd take AR + 17 over Aikman and Irvin. Smith had a long term HOF career but peak A Jones isn't much of a downgrade from Emmit, if at all.
I would take our trio over that DAL bunch.
The thing that made the whole offense was the OL. Probably the best group I have ever seen.
Suspect Jones is looking for a Karama-type payday and don't see the Packers giving it to him.
@DH13 posted:You can find good productive backs all over the draft. The question is how much do you want to pay for the "extra" Jones provides beyond being just good. How much would our offense lose by replacing Jones with some one closer to average playing on a rookie contract?
I think we know the answer to that. Williams is an avg back and when Jones is out, I think it's a significant drop in production.
Jones >>> Williams in the run game.
Jones > Williams in the pass game.
They seem about equal at picking up the blitz.
I think they need to try for a 3 yr deal with Jones. They can call it 4 or 5, but need a get out at minimal cost after 2 or 3. I think he is very valuable to GB for the next 2-3 years, more so than any other team. That's why, in the absence of an extension I'd franchise him and take their chances.
I agree on that. Franchising is an option...
@BrainDed posted:I think we know the answer to that. Williams is an avg back and when Jones is out, I think it's a significant drop in production.
I don't think so. I think the average "#1" back today is more dynamic than Williams. I the avg RB is about midpoint between 30 and 33.
And I like 30 and what he brings to this offense. I just don't see him as a #1 RB anywhere much less being in the middle third of all starters.
@michiganjoe posted:Suspect Jones is looking for a Karama-type payday and don't see the Packers giving it to him.
Nor should they.
@DH13 posted:I think he's about midpoint between 30 and 33.
31.5
Packers scoring avg to date.
I knew someone would do that. Thought it would be YA.
Aaron gonna be a Dolphin????
@YATittle posted:Aaron gonna be a Dolphin????
LOL, you could have said Jones instead of Aaron!
Balderdash!
Packers need to find a way to keep this guy, he's really, really good.
Can't pay everyone and don't see the team using a tag. The willingness of the Packers to invest a high pick in the position suggests to me they anticipated that keeping Jones would be at a price they really didn't want to pay. Think Sunday night was a just a preview of what we'll see next year.
It's hard to read that situation with much detail. MLF talked about the 3-headed RB room right after they drafted Dillon and he is a very different runner from AJones. He's more like JWilliams. Not that 28 couldn't replace 33 but MLF would no longer have a RB that can do the things 33 can do if he leaves. Then again there seems to be be good RB's to be found all over the draft. Push comes to shove I don't think they pay 33 what he will probably be looking for.
@DH13 posted:Push comes to shove I don't think they pay 33 what he will probably be looking for.
If they were close, it would have already happened by now.
And Gute publicly stating that they are going to sit on cap space in hopes of some top talent shaking free from the COVID-reduced 2021 cap - was a shot across the bow for Jones and Rosenhaus.
IF Jones wants to be a Packer, he can. IF Jones wants to be a top paid RB he can choose that too...on another team.
And with the Packers deploying a 3 headed monster at RB, Jones usage would be lower and he'd last longer in the league- but he also wouldn't put up huge numbers and that impacts his next deal
As far as replacing Jones, RB's are plentiful and easy to acquire- but very few of them are as talented as Jones. So you have to replace his production with other players, not unlike how the Moneyball movie says you can't replace Giambi with a single player...so you have to do it in the aggregate.
There seem to be more and more "dual threat" RB's out there every year that could do what MLF wants him to in his scheme. I totally agree that 33 is special but as we saw last night and in probably half of their games this season, MLF's offense is designed to attack in many ways with a wide variety of players, many of whom are not top 5 talents. 33 is special but probably not absolutely critical to what they want to do. I hate saying that because I really like 33 but that's what the bigger picture looks like to me.
@DH13 posted:as we saw last night and in probably half of their games this season, MLF's offense is designed to attack in many ways with a wide variety of players, many of whom are not top 5 talents.
Yes. Take a look at SF's offense & who they have at RB. Guys like Mostert & Jeff Wilson. UDFA's
It's easy to say they won't re-sign him because "money" -- It's difficult to say they're going to get creative & retain him.
Sometimes the easy path, isn't always the correct path.
Like @Satori said, it really depends on Jones. If he wants to be paid, he's going to get paid & paid handsomely. If he wants to stay, he'll get used less (saves the body for later in life) & make a little less but still be paid WELL.
A quick search reveals which teams have most cap space. Assuming that's true, a team like the Jets would make sense to back up the brinks for Jones.
I hope Jones takes a deal like Jordy did -- Jordy famously said, "How much money do you need?!?!"
As a side note...look who has the least amount of cap space.
Recent history has been split on big money RBs. Henry, Cook and Kamara have performed at or better than their contracts while Zeke, David Johnson, and Mixon haven't. Jury is out on McCaffrey after an injury filled year (or maybe that puts him in the underperform category).
Unless the Packers had signed Jones before or early in the season, I think Dillon was drafted to be the #1 guy going forward. They'll let Jones walk and resign Williams to a modest deal to be the #2 guy. They'll get a 3rd or 4th round comp pick for Jones. At this point, I don't see Jones taking a team friendly deal as he's only a few games away from free agency. Bummer as I really like Jones. I'd like to see him back, I'm just not keen on big money contracts for RBs especially when we just spent a second round pick on a RB.
I see them letting Jones walk as he already has some nicks late this year. It seems he has spent some more time on the bench to not only preserve him, but because he's starting to get dinged up. Nothing major, but a little thing here, a little thing there where he misses a series here and there. A heating pad on a hip against the Titans, although he came back, etc. He's not the biggest guy, and he's never had a large workload like this year. I will say that MLF has used him wisely, because I don't think Jones is an every-down, all-game back. Given that RBs have a short shelf life anyway, I could see them letting him walk.
@CUPackFan posted:At this point, I don't see Jones taking a team friendly deal as he's only a few games away from free agency.
They've already made him an offer and traded parameters with 2 different agents. No agent wants a team-friendly deal on their report card, so if he listens to his agent - he's gone
My guess is that they'll tell him -
"go out and see what you can get in FA and check in with us before you sign." Rosenhaus will be happy to have the Packers offer as a floor to shop around with the shitty & wealthy teams
Here's really what Jones', and almost any high-level free agent's, choices are: choose from among really crappy teams with money and get overused and abused and lose and revel in your paycheck, or go/stay with a team where you will be part of a team that wins/makes the playoffs and your paycheck will be more than enough to live well on but not revel in.
I wonder if Rodgers would restructure, ala Brady? Probably not once they drafted Love...