I'd prefer Lang at RT and Tretter or Taylor at RG.
Whatever the case, just keep Barclay off the field.
Would suck to move Lang around but that's likely the best scenario with what they currently have
Unfortunately, as of now, if Bulaga can't go on Sunday....it sounds like Barclay would get the start at RT. That would limit the offense because it would make no sense not to constantly give him help over there
Originally Posted by CAPackfan:
... Barclay taking over at RT. He was absolutely brutal in preseason and that was mostly facing 2nd/3rd stringers and guys currently on team's PS
And Bradford was a top 25 ILB during preseason and he's on the Packers PS and no one has tried to sign him.
Barclay has started a lot of games at RT and was serviceable. Pretty clear from his work this preseason that he can't play on the left side and shouldn't. Hopefully Bulaga can go and it won't be an issue.
If RT becomes an issue, I would use an extra OL over there to help all game. Why not? Take one TE, WR or RB out of the mix. Keep Aaron clean. Maybe run heavy scheme. That could work. Barclay and Walker.
Barclay should be fine though if Bulaga can't go.
Barclay should be fine though if Bulaga can't go.
You guys are forgetting someone.....
R-I-P-K-O-W-S-K-I
He can & will help out Barclay
RIP Seattle
I sure hope so boss...just have that sinking feeling in my gut. That's why I was soooo upset when they blew it against Seattle. It just felt like that was their best chance to do it being as healthy as they have been in years. Now injuries are starting to pop up...
If any FB blocks I would bet Kuhn. Think they are using Rip only on STs right now. But, I hope you are right. I want to see Rip crush some blocks.
Originally Posted by Trophies:
If RT becomes an issue, I would use an extra OL over there to help all game. Why not? Take one TE, WR or RB out of the mix. Keep Aaron clean. Maybe run heavy scheme. That could work. Barclay and Walker.
Barclay should be fine though if Bulaga can't go.
Barclay should be fine though if Bulaga can't go.
It's radical, but I would put Zook at RT.
He can't be worse than Barclay and Special Teams would be better without him.
Win/win
But what do you do for the second play after he's carted off the field?
From Demovsky:
Packers T Bryan Bulaga avoided a serious injury, according to a source. He did not sustain an ACL tear in practice today. Initial diagnoses is sprained MCL. Missed only one game with same injury last year.
as healthy as they have been in years.
you mean AR playing on one leg?
Agree with mjoe. Barclay, for whatever reason, is solid on the right side.
No trouble.
Demovsky with more on Bulaga. Says it's likely he's out this Sunday.
Guy was solid at RT most of 13. Keep him away from the field talk is kinda silly.
Barclay was serviceable at RT in 2013. He looked really, really bad there this preseason, though. Just got blown by routinely. The torn ACL and recovery likely has played a role in that
At least the injury won't sideline Bulaga for the season but it's still a big loss for this game on Sunday. Man, Bulaga's left knee is a ticking time bomb.
Barclay's woes were in game 1 at RT (his first game back) and game 2 when he played LT in the pros for the first time. Looked a lot better as preseason progressed. I agree with Brak, he's more than serviceable as a RT, give him a little help and think he'll be fine.
Barclay won't be the reason the Pack wins or loses Sunday night.
Maybe not, but the narrative is there just in case!
Originally Posted by Brak:
Keep in mind, Barclay is also coming off a major knee. My money says he'll hold his own Sunday.
That's what I'm hoping was the reason for the bad showing in preseason this year. He held his own at RT in 2013 but just looked slower this time around, likely because of the knee. Whatever though, he's gonna be out there and hopefully he can hold his own for however long Bulaga is out
Injuries will happen and guys will miss games, just gotta hope to avoid the season ending ones and it looks like GB dodged a bullet there so that's all that matters
I'm down. Deleted that post as I saw you'd referenced his injury.
JSO reporting that it's likely Matthews will be the defensive play caller in Barrington's absence.
Hope this means he plays the whole game this time.
Originally Posted by cuqui:
JSO reporting that it's likely Matthews will be the defensive play caller in Barrington's absence.
Duuhhhhhh.....about friggin time!!
Originally Posted by cuqui:
JSO reporting that it's likely Matthews will be the defensive play caller in Barrington's absence.
From the press box?
Knee jerk, (pun intended) anecdotal evidence suggests Bulaga has the dreaded "NFL soft tissue injury gene".
I hope we can get a couple of full years out of him yet.
I hope you guys are right about Barclay. I have zero faith in him. Hope to be proven wrong.
Originally Posted by Trophies:
Originally Posted by titmfatied:
If he got legit playing time he would be a wrecking crew. I'd always be willing to take some lumps with a guy who has shown an ability to make special plays - while he learns, over the lumps you get sticking with a guy who has proven he never will through 4 (or more) years.It seems to me if they can't make some basic plays nothing else matters. Teams ruin seasons waiting for guys to get it and reliability is a specialty of its own. It's easier to develop a game plan around what they know someone can do instead of what they hope someone may do.
There's little time to learn during the season. The offenses figure it out quick and exploit the weakness until there's no choice but to get the guy off the field. Players like that have their window in the preseason to show or go home. After that it's all about fits and which weaknesses they can cover up.
Sometimes it's better to scheme around the player with less downside than rely on a player with more upside. I'd rather have a player I know does a few things really well than a guy who's all over the place. One is a part of a scheme, the other screws up the entire play
Give me the guys that make football plays all day. Not posers. Nick Perry will be going up against SEA's weakest link on Sunday in RT Gilliam. If he can't beat that assclown, he can't beat anybody. Those plays that are missed can cost a game. Sometimes you take those lumps with young, untested players you know will bring it. Perry has been missing plays for 4 years... he should be on the shortest of leashes Sunday, because he looked like complete dog **** against CHI.
You would rather keep that on the roster? Count how many games Perry's missed plays have cost us. I can give you one, the Marshawn Lynch TD run in the NFCC game last year. Which one? Oh, how about BOTH of them? Do you think it was a coincidence SEA ran Lynch right at both Barrington and Perry twice for scores in that game? No, they exploited the weakness.
That is my point. Throw playmakers in there over the posers, or over the players who are not performing well. We just lost Barrington to injury. Had he not been injured, that turnstile would remain in just because he could get everyone lined up? That makes no sense to me.
Now, I do have confidence in Nate Palmer and Jake Ryan. Glad the rook is getting his shot. I think we will see the benefits. And, Palmer looked pretty impressive in TC, even with the club. Both players should be getting a lot of scheme reps this week in practice, specifically for SEA. That will help both players.
I'll go this far: I bet we hold Marshawn Lynch to under 100 yds rushing Sunday night.
Your points about Perry and Barrington in the NFCC are way, way, way off the mark.
Perry and Barrington failing on BOTH of Lynch's TD's is flat wrong. Lynch scored 1 TD that game.
On Lynch's lone catch that day Barrington decided to go over a pick and got burned. Bad play. Morgan Burnett wanted no part of tackling Lynch. Ugly play all around.
On Lynch's actual TD Perry held the edge and forced Lynch inside but AJ did what he does best. Found a guard and lost himself in the wash but made it look like his effort was off the charts. Stomping his feet and all. Hawk really does suck.
Watch the last two plays here.
I think you hate Perry because he played at USC. I'll bet you feel the same way about Datone. I say that based on your love of Bradford. You gotta' let that college love go. These guys aren't college kids anymore. They are Packers. Perry and Barrington didn't kill GB last year. Hawk did. Brad Jones did. Clays injury did. Bostick did.
Originally Posted by DurangoDoug:
Jones wearing a right knee brace in that pic.
That's his new bionic hybrid leg.
Barclay is backup with a bad knee. It's a concern. Even before he was injured he was a good run blocker but not great in pass protection. Fact.
If they use a FB to cover Barclay they lose an element of running game but max protect is better than watching Rodgers get pasted all game.
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
Originally Posted by Trophies:
Originally Posted by titmfatied:
If he got legit playing time he would be a wrecking crew. I'd always be willing to take some lumps with a guy who has shown an ability to make special plays - while he learns, over the lumps you get sticking with a guy who has proven he never will through 4 (or more) years.It seems to me if they can't make some basic plays nothing else matters. Teams ruin seasons waiting for guys to get it and reliability is a specialty of its own. It's easier to develop a game plan around what they know someone can do instead of what they hope someone may do.
There's little time to learn during the season. The offenses figure it out quick and exploit the weakness until there's no choice but to get the guy off the field. Players like that have their window in the preseason to show or go home. After that it's all about fits and which weaknesses they can cover up.
Sometimes it's better to scheme around the player with less downside than rely on a player with more upside. I'd rather have a player I know does a few things really well than a guy who's all over the place. One is a part of a scheme, the other screws up the entire play
Give me the guys that make football plays all day. Not posers. Nick Perry will be going up against SEA's weakest link on Sunday in RT Gilliam. If he can't beat that assclown, he can't beat anybody. Those plays that are missed can cost a game. Sometimes you take those lumps with young, untested players you know will bring it. Perry has been missing plays for 4 years... he should be on the shortest of leashes Sunday, because he looked like complete dog **** against CHI.
You would rather keep that on the roster? Count how many games Perry's missed plays have cost us. I can give you one, the Marshawn Lynch TD run in the NFCC game last year. Which one? Oh, how about BOTH of them? Do you think it was a coincidence SEA ran Lynch right at both Barrington and Perry twice for scores in that game? No, they exploited the weakness.
That is my point. Throw playmakers in there over the posers, or over the players who are not performing well. We just lost Barrington to injury. Had he not been injured, that turnstile would remain in just because he could get everyone lined up? That makes no sense to me.
Now, I do have confidence in Nate Palmer and Jake Ryan. Glad the rook is getting his shot. I think we will see the benefits. And, Palmer looked pretty impressive in TC, even with the club. Both players should be getting a lot of scheme reps this week in practice, specifically for SEA. That will help both players.
I'll go this far: I bet we hold Marshawn Lynch to under 100 yds rushing Sunday night.
Your points about Perry and Barrington in the NFCC are way, way, way off the mark.
Perry and Barrington failing on BOTH of Lynch's TD's is flat wrong. Lynch scored 1 TD that game.
On Lynch's lone catch that day Barrington decided to go over a pick and got burned. Bad play. Morgan Burnett wanted no part of tackling Lynch. Ugly play all around.
On Lynch's actual TD Perry held the edge and forced Lynch inside but AJ did what he does best. Found a guard and lost himself in the wash but made it look like his effort was off the charts. Stomping his feet and all. Hawk really does suck.
Watch the last two plays here.
I think you hate Perry because he played at USC. I'll bet you feel the same way about Datone. I say that based on your love of Bradford. You gotta' let that college love go. These guys aren't college kids anymore. They are Packers. Perry and Barrington didn't kill GB last year. Hawk did. Brad Jones did. Clays injury did. Bostick did.
No. No college thing with me. I like all the Pac 12. I am not off on Perry and Barrington. Perry "holding an edge" talk is myth. Both were completely swept out on the 24 yd. TD. Completely. You are right on there being just the one where both got swept out. The other I was thinking of was the fake to Lynch where Wilson ran it in, and Barrington was not home to stop him, getting blocked out.
Nothing new with Perry though. The guy just does not produce, to date. Did you isolate him in CHI game? He should be embarrassed.
I am a Packers fan, first and foremost. All I want are the best players out there, and really that's all there is to it, regardless of where a guy went to college. I want Perry to do well. Believe me. I just am skeptical about that happening with what he has shown us over the years. So much so, that he would be my first cut when Guion returns. That is how little he really contributes.
If Barclay needs to play, he'll be on the R side where I believe he'll be servicable. Aaron is completely mobile vs last time they met and the interior OL of GB remains among the best in the NFL. If need be, Barclay can get chip help from Kuhn or Rich Rod or Quarless.
I agree that Perry is pathetic. A contract year? Looks like he's playing not to get hurt. Lack of productivity will produce crickets when he gets on the market.
Perry will flash again. It's his M.O. He'll have a few games that will give you pause to wonder. But writing was already on the wall when Ted didn't pick up his 5th year option.
One player who needs to step it up is Mike Daniels. He had a pretty quiet camp and an uneventful 1st game. But unlike Perry, I DO expect him to revert back to being GB's best DL. Not to mention he's in a contract year as well.
Originally Posted by YATittle:
I agree that Perry is pathetic. A contract year? Looks like he's playing not to get hurt. Lack of productivity will produce crickets when he gets on the market.
He already knows Belichick will pick him up. Billy loves our castoffs.
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy said RT Bryan Bulaga will miss Sunday's game vs. Seahawks with knee injury. He's still being evaluated.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) September 18, 2015
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy said RT Bryan Bulaga is out for Sunday with a sprained MCL. Injury believed to be minor though.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) September 18, 2015
This is the third straight year Bulaga's suffered a left knee injury -- Torn ACL in '13, sprained MCL last year and this year.
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) September 18, 2015
McCarthy said it's "not clear" Don Barclay will start at right tackle for #Packers on Sunday. "I’m not declaring any starters right now."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) September 18, 2015