The Norvening

I think Daniels punched a bunch of fools in the mouth at half

Daniels played one great game.

 

Jordy and Daniels get the game balls. 

Jordy put the team on his back

The Jets did what the Jets do best.

 

At one point, MM was ascending as fast as any coach could, and we were praising his creativity and marveling at his play-calling.

How quickly that has changed.

It seems he reached his plateau at that point, and has likely regressed since. And his stubbornness at refusing to make change--any kind of change--to himself or his staff is aggravating to say the least.

It looked like the team finaly discovered the way to play defense. But they were also an inadvertent whisle from being tied with less than five minutes to go. Dom just needs to go.  Three years later he cannot figure out how to stop the QB option. The challenge by Mccarthy was just strange. Whoever recommened the challenge should be fired. It was  a catch without debate. And the team had additional time to look at it and still make a stupid decision. Frustrating game to watch in the first half.

At this point I think MM is a excellent offensive coach when he isn't being a candy assed pussy playing scared.  I was hoping he would take command of the defense and demand better results.  

So far he's failing.  

 

 

The defense came to life after their first 3 and out of the year in the first half.

 

It could be it just took until then for the players to realize it's not so much about "the scheme" as it is just each player doing their job.

 

I'll take it.  The proverbial "something to build on."  Just gel baby.

There are times when Mike looks like he's trying too Damn hard to prove he's the smartest guy on the field by way over thinking stuff like Red zone play calling and crap like that onside kick today.

Just my opinion.

GB's D, particularly up the middle, got a lot better in the 2nd half. The Jet's running backs aren't slouches. That's a good tandum. So credit them for that. Lattimore is still getting his feet wet but for once I actually saw an attacking ILB.

 

Daniels with a far better game this week. Peppers as well. May not show in stats, but the near strip fumble and sack, the key pass break up where he almost got a pick...all big plays.

 

What's still mind boggling is why in the hell Capers and this D still plays these DB's 8-10 yards from the WR. These cushions are friggin ridiculous. Capers plays to not give up the big play and in the meantime, offenses rack up 6-8 yard gains play after play and just march down the field.

 

AJ Hawk is just terrible. Shields appears to have regressed. Where and what is going on with Hayward? And Guionn....is just comical.

Guion should not be in there, period. 

 

The fact that he is, is disconcerting.  Can they not see him suck?

Very good points here and all to the obvious point of the questionable defense.

 

IMO, the offense/Geno  helped out the defense more than anything in the 2nd half and I think the Lions Offense next week is going to be equally challenging.

I got to say I really am not looking forward to that dome and this defense right now.

       
       

This. Guy is not a nose

I'll say it again, it's almost as if they were playing for their jobs.  If this defense makes it to and stays in the top 20 by years end I'll be astonished.  They had a few good series then almost melted down again.  

 

Whatever the defensive master plan was for this year was I think it was thrown out at half time.  Bad coaching, bad preparation, no accountability with a bunch of ****ing soundbytes from players saying "we should do better".  No ****ing ****.

Guion is in there because the guy behind him is worse.  Trgo is usually good at getting the right guys in there.    

 

I'm not looking forward to seeing this defense vs anybody anywhere.

 

You are unequivocally wrong.  You can't get worse and still be called a pro football player than that scrub.

They played better but yes there is still some very undisciplined/missed assignments to be happy.  14 more games for Dom to show why he shouldn't be gone. 

I don't recall seeing Hayward on the field.... yet Bush was out there several times today.  Did I just miss him?

Thanks for clearing that up.   I was not sure that was your opinion so I needed to quote it to be absolutely sure.  

I thought I saw him on special teams Pkrz.  But I was curious about that too.   What's up with Hyde and his knee?

 

That ship has sailed.  3+ years of ****.  Anyone says different is deluding themselves.  First game of the season and D staff can't ****ing figure out how to get plays called in? 

Oh, I texted my brother that I would be fine if DOm was let go in game today.  was 2011 really that much of an outlier?  I guess so.

Easy there, Henry, don't stroke out! At least enjoy some of the win. I am with you 100 percent about our D, and I vehemently wanted DumDom gone last year. He's back and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Okay, maybe there's... well, legally there's ranting, but I don't think MM can hear us. Maybe at the half TT came down and showed the defense the D players' numbers on his phone.  

 

I'm just happy we played well enough to win (barely). If you're Rexy tonight, you want to fire the coach asking for the TO.

going through Jets fan forums the number one thing that sticks out is their utter amazement at some of Green Bay's play calling. I'd have to agree. The draw plays on 3rd and goal, and then refusing to run on 3rd and short. 

 

idk. MM knows more about football then I could ever learn in 2 lifetimes. But he can be horribly frustrating sometimes. 

 

 

Oh I'm strokin'!

 

 

 

I think Dom will retire at the end of the season. I think MM and TT know this and didn't want to fire him because of it. If there is one thing in Green Bay it's honor and respect .   Except when it came to Lynch respect yards. 

What are you... no, no. I'm not going to ask!  

Think you're right, ammo.

+1, also opposing team love to run all sorts of misdirection and right now guys like Clay are all to willing to crash why is that not part of offense.  Interesting idea Ammo.

He's reading Glamour magazine. 

Jets bit themselves in the ass.  They stopped throwing those short routes to the middle of the field (no one guards 2 yards past the first down line like AJ Hawk), the phantom time out, and there were a couple plays in the fourth quarter where the defense really looked disorganized and NY never took advantage.  NY was lucky they didn't give the fumble to Datone, cause that would have been the right call,  

 

Tramon played well.  Daniels played well.  Peppers and CM played well.  The secondary really wasn't bad outside of one bad burn on Shields.  Burnett showed life.  

 

This offense is going to need to keep firing, cause I don't see many low scoring games.  

Packers get whipped in the first half and then whipped in the second half, MM and Capers get called stubborn morons who can't or won't adjust.

Packers get whipped in the first half, adjust and whip the other team in the second, MM and Capers get called stubborn morons who can't or won't adjust.

Criticizing failures is not wrong, criticizing failures without recognizing successes also is just being a whiner. MM realized what the faults were (Sherrod, Rodgers looking downfield 100% of the time) and he adjusted. Same with Capers. I didn't see Ivory/Johnson annihilate us like some were predicting, that's a big plus. Both coaches made mistakes, no one calls a perfect game. If they hadn't made the halftime adjustments they did then I would join you in questioning their abilities. That would have been two weeks in a row that they failed to adjust, but that didn't happen and we won.

Dom deserves whatever **** he gets on this forum.  6/8 were bad quarters.  

I'm already looking forward to saying  "remember the great 2014 Norvening" in a few years. 

 

Yeah, you forgot the previous 3 years.  One half my ass.  And the question isn't are they stubborn, the question is are they being outcoached or has the game passed them by.  

 

I was ready to see what the transition would be this year on defense.  I've seen all I need to see.

So did we win in spite of Capers? Seems to me the D got more successful when the DL started winning 1on1 matchups. Can't run any kind of D if the O is doing what they want against your front 7. Every coach gets out coached when the players don't execute, grown men have to man up and play like they're capable of playing.

It looks like the game has passed Sean Payton and Rob Ryan by also.

You think we won because of Capers?  You think the Jets dumb****ery didn't have a part?  What exactly are you seeing on that field that makes you think there will be any consistency or some kind of ascending defense this year?

 

And who is supposed to hold the players accountable?  Who is supposed to have them prepared?  Hello I can't call in ****ing plays to the defense.

6 of 8 quarters is all you need to see? Glad you're not a GM because coaches wouldn't last long.

I don't think we won because of Capers, but he played a part like Mike Daniels, Tramon Williams, Aaron Rodgers, and MM. The scheme was the same in the 2nd half, it worked because the players got their heads out of their butts and the coaches fixed the weaknesses. That's doing their jobs. Wish they would have done it from the get go, but at least they did it and we won.

I don't think 8 quarters is enough to show a legit trend. Let's see what they have done a after 4 games, then 8, etc. Things change dramatically throughout a season.

Again, this stuff's been going on for three years now