Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

@Goalline posted:

So, let’s see. The 389 year old owner of the Jets says if he doesn’t get a big time veteran QB he is going to off himself. They then let Derek Carr walk. So, Garapolo? That’s their fall back? The Jets fans are going to have their pitchforks out.

Multiple first round picks, no, but that front office better get at least the 13th pick or they fucked up. The Packers have a ton of leverage.

Do they?  Sure, the Jets need a quarterback. That’s a given…. But what if a deal isn’t completed?  WTF is GB supposed to realistically do with 12 then?  The team has “moved on” to Love yet they’d still have 12 and his massive contract.

Leverage works both ways.

The Jets have been the only team that has been publicly interested in AR.  We don't know if there are others the FO has been talking to and we shouldn't know.

@Pakrz posted:

Do they?  Sure, the Jets need a quarterback. That’s a given…. But what if a deal isn’t completed?  WTF is GB supposed to realistically do with 12 then?  The team has “moved on” to Love yet they’d still have 12 and his massive contract.

Leverage works both ways.

Oooh, we get to keep 12? That’s awful! What’s a team to do with a QB a year removed from an MVP season?🤔

The last time the Packers pissed off Rodgers he won MVP 2 years in a row. How pissed is he now that the Packers are shopping him. Keep him, trade Love and draft a QB this year.

@Pakrz posted:

Do they?  Sure, the Jets need a quarterback. That’s a given…. But what if a deal isn’t completed?  WTF is GB supposed to realistically do with 12 then?  The team has “moved on” to Love yet they’d still have 12 and his massive contract.

Leverage works both ways.

The only other "big name" QB they can get that's going to satisfy their fan base is Lamar Jackson...and he's going to cost them at least two first round picks because of the tag...and a whole lot more long term money...and it means they give up on Zach Wilson...something Jets media folks say is not in the plan, they want him to sit two more years and get more confident. So if you sign Lamar, you are forced to give up on Wilson.

Adding 12 costs them probably #13 overall, and probably a player you wanted to get rid of anyway...someone like a Corey Davis...and possibly another lower pick...a 3rd, a 4th or a conditional future pick. No it's not going to be Denver-like insane haul...but they are not going to just give him away. But I could totally see 12 coming for #13 and just Corey Davis, or #13 and maybe a future 3rd rounder. Also possibly we swap #15 and #13 picks, but also get their #1 next year or something like that.

@Goalline posted:

Rodgers is tougher than Favre was. Much more willing to take hits. Favre had that bail technique that saved him from taking more big hits. Probably cost him some accuracy. Rodgers stands tall in that pocket.

Also, while Rodgers may have had a few too many hits of ayahuasca recently, it sounds like he's tried to pay attention to nutrition and keep his body as healthy as possible.

Let's just say that wasn't Favre's strength. Beer, Vicodin, and whatever they had at Irv's tavern that was on the menu. Probably not a not of healthy eating.

What may be most interesting about the potential trade of Aaron Rodgers is that there appears to be only one suitor.
That will certainly limit the Packers' return package.

— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 9, 2023

Doubt the compensation is going to be as good as some apparently do.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Miami is also lurking, depending on Tua’s head and compensation. They’re loaded for a run now except QB and RB

@michiganjoe posted:

What may be most interesting about the potential trade of Aaron Rodgers is that there appears to be only one suitor.
That will certainly limit the Packers' return package.

— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 9, 2023

Doubt the compensation is going to be as good as some apparently do.

Well, those mofos in the FO waited until Rodgers value was at its absolute lowest before trying to trade him. They are morons!

@Herschel posted:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Miami is also lurking, depending on Tua’s head and compensation. They’re loaded for a run now except QB and RB

And Oakland may be playing it Coy waiting to see what the Jets offer. Don’t think GB won’t let the league know what the bidding is starting at.

The Jets spent top 5 picks on Darnold and Wilson and whiffed big time on both.

You think they care about the 13th overall pick and conditional pick next year if it means getting Rodgers for a couple of years?   Hell no.  

@Goalline posted:

And Oakland may be playing it Coy waiting to see what the Jets offer. Don’t think GB won’t let the league know what the bidding is starting at.

Oakland?

@SteveLuke posted:

Now, Spoon rushes to defend his boy Gutey over the Rodgers extension fiasco by tweeting good Packer fans cannot really know who it was that signed off on that awful extension so it is unfair to the poor GM of the Packers to hold him in any way accountable.

Truer words have never been spoken. If anybody doesn't think Murphy signs off on everything they haven't been paying attention. In the end everybody will blame the GM but because of the way the Packer FO is structured it's Murphy. The FO structure of the Packers is designed to fail.

@Goalline posted:

So, let’s see. The 389 year old owner of the Jets says if he doesn’t get a big time veteran QB he is going to off himself. They then let Derek Carr walk. So, Garapolo? That’s their fall back? The Jets fans are going to have their pitchforks out.

Multiple first round picks, no, but that front office better get at least the 13th pick or they fucked up. The Packers have a ton of leverage.

I'd love to see the Pack get that #1 pick and it's a strong possibility because the Jets need Rodgers more than the Packers need to move him to them. The press seems to think the Jets are the only option for the Packers but if they want to dump him to someone else they can. I think there's a couple teams that would take on that salary if they only had to give up a mid round pick. The Jets really have no alternative to not taking Rodgers if they want to compete for a SB.

@bvan posted:

Oakland?

Yeah, their indoor football team.😂

@MichiganPacker posted:

Also, while Rodgers may have had a few too many hits of ayahuasca recently, it sounds like he's tried to pay attention to nutrition and keep his body as healthy as possible.

Let's just say that wasn't Favre's strength. Beer, Vicodin, and whatever they had at Irv's tavern that was on the menu. Probably not a not of healthy eating.

Not to mention Favre was pretty beat up by 2008.  If there were a concussion protocol and no vicodin, he would have missed way more time with injuries.  He also didn't have the protections AR has had for most of his career.   It's easier to "take hits" as a QB when you know those hits will mostly be drag-downs.

@PackerRick posted:

I'd love to see the Pack get that #1 pick and it's a strong possibility because the Jets need Rodgers more than the Packers need to move him to them. The press seems to think the Jets are the only option for the Packers but if they want to dump him to someone else they can. I think there's a couple teams that would take on that salary if they only had to give up a mid round pick. The Jets really have no alternative to not taking Rodgers if they want to compete for a SB.

Exactly! If the pick drops below a first a whole bunch of teams suddenly become suitors.

@Pakrz posted:

Do they?  Sure, the Jets need a quarterback. That’s a given…. But what if a deal isn’t completed?  WTF is GB supposed to realistically do with 12 then?  The team has “moved on” to Love yet they’d still have 12 and his massive contract.

Leverage works both ways.

I'm sure someone will take Rodgers if they don't have to give up a high draft pick. Miami? Carolina? Maybe even the Niners. He improves a few teams that have strong supporting casts. The Jets don't just need a QB, they need this QB to transform from a 7-10 to a Super Bowl contender. No other QB can do that for them.

@Chongo posted:

Adding 12 costs them probably #13 overall, and probably a player you wanted to get rid of anyway...someone like a Corey Davis...and possibly another lower pick..

If the Rodgers trade goes through I expect Davis will be a cap casualty so I doubt he and his salary are part of any trade.

@Goalline posted:

Well, those mofos in the FO waited until Rodgers value was at its absolute lowest before trying to trade him. They are morons!

It wasn't just the fact that he was getting up in the years as much as the distractions he was creating off the field as well that was a reason to move him. I heard it said that the Packers were very unhappy with Rodger offseason last year when it came to training, preparation, and dedication for the 2022 season.

@bvan posted:

Oakland?

That's how coy they are playing it.

@Herschel posted:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Miami is also lurking, depending on Tua’s head and compensation. They’re loaded for a run now except QB and RB

Butterfaceandbody?

@PackerRick posted:

It wasn't just the fact that he was getting up in the years as much as the distractions he was creating off the field as well that was a reason to move him. I heard it said that the Packers were very unhappy with Rodger offseason last year when it came to training, preparation, and dedication for the 2022 season.

None of the idiots in the front office believe the mantra that it is better to get rid of a player a year early than a year too late. Here we are a year too late.

@PackerRick posted:

I heard it said that the Packers were very unhappy with Rodger offseason last year when it came to training, preparation, and dedication for the 2022 season.

Not to bag on you directly by any means, but this is the shit that kills me.  There are so many “I’ve heard/read”, “sources say”, “word is”, “insiders are saying”…..and the list goes on and on.

Bullshit!!!!!

Everyone thinks they’re entitled to know what AR and the Packers are doing, etc.

News Flash - nobody except AR and GB Brass need to know a fucking thing.

There’s so much conjecture, speculation, and flat out unconfirmed and/or made up shit because it’s been the NFL down time (if that exists anymore) that it’s comical and yet incredibly frustrating. The list of persons who actually know anything about the AR situation is almost certainly incredibly small. And they ain’t talking. Because they don’t need to. Anyone that thinks they know the inner workings of Murphy, Ball, Gute, AR, and AR’s reps is nothing more than “the smartest guy in the chat room”, or so he/she thinks. Get over yourselves! Have an opinion - fine.  But thinking you can read that room (Packers/AR) better than anyone else, or that you’re able to connect the dots - get over yourselves!

Again, not directed at you, PackerRick.

@Goalline posted:

None of the idiots in the front office believe the mantra that it is better to get rid of a player a year early than a year too late. Here we are a year too late.

Said a bunch of folks in 2018 and 2019.

I actually think Gute would have done it but step one was drafting Love and he took so much unwarranted crap for that Murphy put the shackles on him. What's overlooked is that Love never really had a rookie year to develop because of Covid. If he had that opportunity the Packers could have held him in the same esteem last year as they do this year and they might have pulled the trigger on a trade last year.

@Herschel posted:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Miami is also lurking, depending on Tua’s head and compensation. They’re loaded for a run now except QB and RB

Maybe, the FO needs to get on the phone ASAP and shop him around to any and all teams that may be looking.

Be proactive.  

@PackLandVA posted:

Again, not directed at you, PackerRick.

You can direct it me. I felt the same way. If I didn't I wouldn't have repeated it. Rodgers seemed very intent on being part of the Hollywood crowd to the point I wondered how much offseason work he was putting in. Just my opinion, but I think his performance showed that. The guy didn't age that much in one year. The fact that he negotiated in his contract that he barely had to come to GB in the offseason also lead me to question his dedication. Not showing up to OTAs to work out with all the new WRS? That said a lot to me, I don't care who he is.

He was no Mahomes.

@Goalline posted:

None of the idiots in the front office believe the mantra that it is better to get rid of a player a year early than a year too late. Here we are a year too late.

There are few GM's in any sport with the balls big enough to pull this off. It's not just the 3 Silos.

TT was a rare individual. Pre-dementia, I held him in the same esteem as Ron Wolf as a GM and Bob Harlan as a president. Were it not for his health issue, he'd still be GM and I believe we'd have at least 1 or 2 more Super Bowl rings.

The thing to remember about TT was he didn't go into that draft looking to draft a QB. Rodgers just fell so far that it only made sense to take him with an aging QB in Favre. Gute was drafting a QB of the future, actually trading up to get him.

TT and Wolf had Harlan as a boss, a guy that let them do their jobs. Thanks to Murphy, Gute hasn't enjoyed the same power which sucks for him because he was never allowed to do the job he should have been hired to do.

@Chongo posted:

The only other "big name" QB they can get that's going to satisfy their fan base is Lamar Jackson...and he's going to cost them at least two first round picks because of the tag...and a whole lot more long term money...and it means they give up on Zach Wilson...something Jets media folks say is not in the plan, they want him to sit two more years and get more confident. So if you sign Lamar, you are forced to give up on Wilson.

Adding 12 costs them probably #13 overall, and probably a player you wanted to get rid of anyway...someone like a Corey Davis...and possibly another lower pick...a 3rd, a 4th or a conditional future pick. No it's not going to be Denver-like insane haul...but they are not going to just give him away. But I could totally see 12 coming for #13 and just Corey Davis, or #13 and maybe a future 3rd rounder. Also possibly we swap #15 and #13 picks, but also get their #1 next year or something like that.

So let me get this straight.  The Jets are willing to give us a 1st and a 3rd plus a player and take on a 40 year old Rodgers and his ridiculous contract,  but they aren't willing to give the Ravens two 1sts and pay a 26 year old Jackson a ridiculous contract?  Because they're worried about Zach Wilson?

@Tschmack posted:

The Jets spent top 5 picks on Darnold and Wilson and whiffed big time on both.

You think they care about the 13th overall pick and conditional pick next year if it means getting Rodgers for a couple of years?   Hell no.  

They also drafted the offensive and defensive rookies of the year last year. I think they covet 1st round picks, yes.

Everybody values their #1 picks but can any #1 pick deliver to the Jets what Rodgers possibly could next season? They hit on both #1 picks last  year and didn't even make the playoffs. The QB position, especially a HOF talent, has far more impact than a rookie DB or WR.

Interesting the extremely varied reports about the likely trade of AR to the Jets and the speculated compensation.

Packers could end up with a couple conditional picks for 2024 and 2025, to the Jets '23 1st and more.

The longer this lingers, the more likely AR retires, IMO.

@PackLandVA posted:

Said a bunch of folks in 2018 and 2019.

Bullshit! We would have scored a boatload of picks for him both years.

@PackerRick posted:

The thing to remember about TT was he didn't go into that draft looking to draft a QB. Rodgers just fell so far that it only made sense to take him with an aging QB in Favre. Gute was drafting a QB of the future, actually trading up to get him.

Exactly! That brilliant move gave him the leverage to make a move. For whatever reason he didn’t pull the trigger.