I find it surprising that this deal is not done yet. Packers and Jets had to have had an outline of compensation before they gave Jets permission. The only holdup would have to be AR himself?
If I understand things, in order to get any cap relief for this year, trade would have to be post June 1, which means no draft picks this year? Is this correct?
@PackLandVA posted:Said a bunch of folks in 2018 and 2019.
I don't recall any serious comments for AR to be traded going into '18 or '19. Some rumblings during the '19 season, but again not really serious.
@vitaflo posted:So let me get this straight. The Jets are willing to give us a 1st and a 3rd plus a player and take on a 40 year old Rodgers and his ridiculous contract, but they aren't willing to give the Ravens two 1sts and pay a 26 year old Jackson a ridiculous contract? Because they're worried about Zach Wilson?
Right now it doesn't look like anybody wants to give up two 1's and a ridiculous contract for Jackson.
I'd be reluctant to make Jackson my future QB at the money he commands. He's missed 9 games the last two seasons. His running, which makes him the QB he is, will not only get him injured but also diminish to the point where his passing abilities define the QB he becomes. His last two seasons combined is 33 TDs and 20 Ints.
@Goalline posted:Bullshit! We would have scored a boatload of picks for him both years.
You didn’t say anything about picks in that quote, and I wasn’t referencing picks.
You said “…a year too late”. A lot of people said that in 2018 and 2019. And then he won b2b.
@H5 posted:I don't recall any serious comments for AR to be traded going into '18 or '19. Some rumblings during the '19 season, but again not really serious.
My comment wasn’t about trades or picks. It was in ref to Goalline’s comment about “a year too late”. Basically, the Packers are trading him a year too late. Unless, of course, last year was an anomaly (for a variety reasons) and he’s back to MVP form in 2023.
I would be really hesitant with burning valuable draft picks for Jackson and also having to pay him huge money. For me as PackerRick stated I would worry a lot about his playing style. You can only get by being a running QB in the NFL only for so long. And I may be in the minority but when I see him play I think he is a awesome as a runner but I just don't know if you had to rely upon his passing if he can win really big.
@DH13 posted:Right now it doesn't look like anybody wants to give up two 1's and a ridiculous contract for Jackson.
Because players of his skillset don't last all that long in the league. You could give up the two picks, and lock into a huge contract...and then he blows his ACL. Yeah any player runs that risk, but LJ is more of a risk because so much of his game is pull it and run it. His skillset also doesn't fit in particularly well with what Hackett likes to do. 12 is a better fit at NYJ right now.
Also I think a lot of LJ's value is overhyped by the media...he is a media darling. The opposite of 12. With LJ, you have to really build the whole offense around him. He is far more valuable to Baltimore than to any other franchise.
#Browns really did a number on the rest of the league! I suspect the style of play, offensive philosophy, and fear of injury play a larger part than they should. RS is right - generational talent, but this could be a referendum on self-representation at@the QB position… https://t.co/gwSArsCpTU
— Michael Wahle (@MikeWahle68) March 9, 2023
That’s the thing. Jackson’s mom (agent) is going to want huge money along with giving up multiple picks to get him. Plus, you may have to adjust your offensive schemes and personnel to fit his style of play.
Take away Jackson's MVP season and what do you have? It's not that impressive and he plays a bit out of control. In 5 years he's fumbled 42 times and lost 24. If you run for 100 yards in a game and lose a fumble you probably didn't help your team.
I'd be surprised if we get more than a second and fourth this year and a second next year. I don't think they'll give up #13 this year, but I hope I'm wrong. Aaron is his own worst enemy with his quirkiness.
In case anybody wondered why Richard Sherman isn't a GM, now you know. Jackson is nowhere close to being in Burrows class as a QB. Burrows immediately turned that franchise around. One QB threw for 9000 yards and 69 TDs the last two seasons. The other had 5000 yards and 33 TD. I'm thinking Sherman would need two guesses to pick out which QB put up the numbers. Forget the running unless this guy wants to be the next RG3.
Some people are saying Green Bay wants the farm for Rodgers. Other people saying it won’t cost that much and GB just wants to move on…
The reality is Aaron Rodgers, even pushing 40, is worth at least a 1st round pick coming off 2 of the last 3 MVPs... and that 3rd season was with a banged up thumb.
Sam Bradford was traded for a 1st round pick. Carson Wentz for premium picks...twice!
I think 12 is likely to go for more than we think, rather than less.
If I'm the Jets, I'd want a 2 yr (minimum) commitment. Gutekunst very likely told Rodgers (back during the season exit interviews) what GB expects.
So, here we are. AR trying to decide if he wants to commit, for either team... or retire.
I’m guessing that if it wasn’t for the guarantee deal he would be in the fold at Baltimore or at the very least be drawing interest around the league.
Rodgers is basically under contract for 2 more years so if the Jets make the trade that's about as much commitment as they'll get. Even Rodgers doesn't know how he'll feel about playing until after the 2023 season. About the only way to make a fair deal is to give the Packers a guaranteed pick in 23 and a conditional pick(s) in 24 if Rodgers plays a 2nd season.
@H5 posted:Some people are saying Green Bay wants the farm for Rodgers. Other people saying it won’t cost that much and GB just wants to move on…
The reality is Aaron Rodgers, even pushing 40, is worth at least a 1st round pick coming off 2 of the last 3 MVPs... and that 3rd season was with a banged up thumb.
Sam Bradford was traded for a 1st round pick. Carson Wentz for premium picks...twice!
I think 12 is likely to go for more than we think, rather than less.
The problem isn't Rodgers, it's his age and contract. None of these other examples people keep talking about were trading a 40 year old QB due to make $60m next year. That's the difference.
So, based on this, deal is all done. Just (still) waiting on Rodgers to shit or get off the pot.
Tom Pelissero: The #Jets have worked through the compensation and contract for Aaron Rodgers. It’s up to him to let them and the #Packers know what he wants to do.
— uSTADIUM (@uSTADIUM) March 9, 2023
Mike Garafolo said the #Jets won’t rush Rodgers.
There is also a big difference in the resumes of those QBs and Rodgers. I think they were both the #1 pick of the draft yet they were moved shortly into their careers. Guys like that don't get traded unless their original team is highly motivated. $60 mil is a problem but for the Jets it's only as a cap hit, Woody has the coin. I would assume part of the conversation with Rodgers included renegotiating into a cap friendly deal. I believe Rodgers said he was open to that no matter where he plays in 2023.
Looks weird in that shade of green. While of course it's possible Rodgers could retire, I really don't think it gets this far if there was any real possibility he does.
I think the only hang up is Rodgers committing to 2 years vs 1.
As per Tom Pelissero, the Jets have agreed on compensation & contract for Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers now needs to let them know what he wants to do.#aaronrodgers #packers #jets #nyjets #newyork #quarterback #ganggreen #takeflight #playlikeajet #allgasnobrakes #jetsnation #jetsnews pic.twitter.com/LcxZ65hVTK
— The Blue vs Green Show (@BlueVsGreenShow) March 9, 2023
Bye, Bert.
@vitaflo posted:So, based on this, deal is all done. Just (still) waiting on Rodgers to shit or get off the pot.
Tom Pelissero: The #Jets have worked through the compensation and contract for Aaron Rodgers. It’s up to him to let them and the #Packers know what he wants to do.
— uSTADIUM (@uSTADIUM) March 9, 2023
Mike Garafolo said the #Jets won’t rush Rodgers.
A couple of weeks under ground and he will be closer to making a decision .
I expect him to want to fly to NY and be shown around.
Trading for Lamar has a few issues - injuries, declining play since his MVP year, and his insistence on a fully guaranteed contract. Plus, he doesn't have an agent to talk any sense into him on the guaranteed contract. If he couldn't come to a deal with the Ravens the last 2 years, what other team is going to come to a deal AND give up 2 first rounders? The Lamar thing is very complex, and it's tough to compare to Rodgers.
He can check out the shrooms growing on the observation deck at the Empire State bldg. Then he can start dating the Statue of Liberty!
From what I hear of New York these days, one just has to inhale the outside air to get a buzz on.
@Iowacheese posted:I expect him to want to fly to NY and be shown around.
Wait till he finds out about what happened at the World Trade Center
( allegedly)
@Blair Kiel posted:From what I hear of New York these days, one just has to inhale the outside air to get a buzz on.
Fecal matter, get you high?
@Iowacheese posted:I expect him to want to fly to NY and be shown around.
A few more taller buildings than in GB. Beyond that, basically the same.
Aaand the Jets get their man. Trade completed.
Who is NYJ's equivalent of Cheesehead TV? Looking forward to their riveting coverage of the Ayahuasca Files.
@Chongo posted:Fecal matter, get you high?
Urine deep on that one.
@Chongo posted:Fecal matter, get you high?
Just remember, it’s the fear of the smell of shit on the streets that’s actually worse than the actual shit on the streets.
@Goalline posted:Aaand the Jets get their man. Trade completed.
@Satori posted:.Since the 1967 NFL Draft, there have been 126 QBs drafted in the first round.
Of those 126 QBs taken, only 3 have started one or fewer games in their first three NFL seasons.All 3 of them played for the Mighty Green Bay Packers.
Who is the third besides Rodgers and Love?
Jerry Tagge?
rich campbell?
The best part of this will be watching all the NYJ media fan boys like Rich Eisen and Mike Greenberg fawn all over him publicly when he's clearly persona non grate in their "social circles."
The second best part will be not having 12 for all the whining bitches to blame for this teams shortcomings.
