Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

@YATittle posted:

I'm calling the trade framework right here If I'm wrong, throw it in my face.

Will happen.

Pack gets Jets #1 in 2023 and a conditional 4th in 2024, moving up to 3rd if they make the playoffs, 2nd if they get into the Super Bowl and 1st if they WIN the Super Bowl.

I like that and I think it's fair. Rodgers gives the Jets something no other available QB can. If that's not worth the 13th pick in the draft let them go 7-10 again as Woodie ages another year. There won't be a Rodgers available for the Jets next year. It could be now or never for Woodie.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Rodgers is your weird high school friend that everybody kind of laughed at, but nobody really disliked. Favre was the equivalent of the rich kid's son that treated women like shit, would screw you over in a heartbeat, but arranged to get the beer for everyone at the parties. He was the type of guy whose family controlled the whole small town and knew he could get away with everything.

Favre's douchebaggery was not a secret in the Fox River

Very Mudaughish.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Excellent observations!

I think any deal realistically has to include that 13th overall pick.  

Let’s not forget, the Jets have spent two top 5 picks in less than a decade on QBs and several other draft choices on failed prospects as well.   I doubt they will mind giving up a middle of the 1st round pick if they can get a decent version of Rodgers for two seasons.

@PackerRick posted:

None of those guys have Love behind them and their contracts were easier to work with. About the only thing that can be done with Rodgers' massive cap hit is kick it down the road. The Packers are going to get punished capwise on that contract, it's just a question of when and it may as well be when they think they have a viable replacement.

$10-$15 million could come in handy, no? That's a nice chunk of an extension or a good free agent if things are in place. If we're worried about dead cap money in the future, why not get rid of as much of it as possible from guys who won't be here? Grab a Spears/Gray/Tucker traits guy in the middle rounds and go to town. This coming from someone who really likes Jones and Preston, but it just seems weird so many screaming about "(dead) cap space" suddenly lose interest in it when Rodgers isn't the subject. .

The Jets are basically getting exclusive rights to Rodgers so they must have offered the Packers a #1 pick. If they're not, Miami, Las Vegas, or even Carolina at the time might have been willing to give up reasonable compensation for Rodgers. It's really a question if the Packers were even asking for a #1.

@Herschel posted:

$10-$15 million could come in handy, no? That's a nice chunk of an extension or a good free agent if things are in place. If we're worried about dead cap money in the future, why not get rid of as much of it as possible from guys who won't be here? Grab a Spears/Gray/Tucker traits guy in the middle rounds and go to town. This coming from someone who really likes Jones and Preston, but it just seems weird so many screaming about "(dead) cap space" suddenly lose interest in it when Rodgers isn't the subject. .

I think the Packers see the opportunity to heal up their cap woes in the 2023 season while Love's salary is only $3 mil. They could also offer him a cap friendly long term deal before they have to exercise the 5th year option. Love's 5th year option is really the elephant in the room since it appears the Packers are committed to him.                                                                                                               A cheap QB is a luxury that doesn't come along often. Seattle built a powerhouse because they didn't have to pay Wilson for 4 years as a starter. But once they paid him they couldn't pay key members of their roster and they became just another decent team with an expensive QB.

@vitaflo posted:

Legal tampering starts Monday at noon.  So Rodgers has less than 24 hours to make a decision.  If he hasn't made a decision by then, he's screwing the Packers (and Jets) chances to sign FA's.

As usual, Rodgers is letting the play clock run to zero.

Has he burned all the TOs yet?

@Tschmack posted:

I think any deal realistically has to include that 13th overall pick.  

Let’s not forget, the Jets have spent two top 5 picks in less than a decade on QBs and several other draft choices on failed prospects as well.   I doubt they will mind giving up a middle of the 1st round pick if they can get a decent version of Rodgers for two seasons.

And what if Rodgers will only commit to 1 year?  I still think the only way we get the 13th is if we swap 1sts.  Much of the trade collateral is going to be getting that albatross of a contract off our backs.  Same thing the Rams did with Ramsey just a bit ago.  That was a "get out of a contract" trade, which is why they only got a late 3rd for him.

@vitaflo posted:

And what if Rodgers will only commit to 1 year?  I still think the only way we get the 13th is if we swap 1sts.  Much of the trade collateral is going to be getting that albatross of a contract off our backs.  Same thing the Rams did with Ramsey just a bit ago.  That was a "get out of a contract" trade, which is why they only got a late 3rd for him.

No comparison to what Rodgers can do for the Jets and what a CB can do for anybody. The Rams are in fire sale mode also. Rodgers could never commit to two years other than the fact he is under contract and was expecting to play 2024 when he signed it.

Hot Take #329

AR decides he wants to stay in GB; Packers acquiesce.

Packers and AR restructure his contract to free up money for vet WR, experienced S, complimentary Edge, etc.

Gute and Murph have been “talking up” Love, knowing there was the possibility AR wants to return.

With AR in tow, Packers let Love seek a fair trade. If nothing prevails, he’s the backup again, and Packers agree to trade him next offseason. Packers use high pick to select QB if one’s available. Or sign vet after Love is traded. I see 9-11 teams maybe looking for a QB in the draft with only four being 1st Round talent.

@Herschel posted:

So all the handwringing about the cap is bullshit, then.

Bakhtiari at LT at least makes some sense just to protect Love, but if they're not going to be a contender, why not jettison Jones and Smith and really clean out dead cap space from guys who won't be here when they're planning to be contenders again but dollars still will?  It's not like they spend high picks on RBs and they're looking for young edge guys anyway.

Yes! Yes it is.

Please let this drama end.

@MichiganPacker posted:

There really is no one in his life to tell him that he's being an idiot at times. Most of us have a spouse, a brother, a parent, or someone that will tell us what we don't want to hear. I think fundamentally Rodgers is a very lonely guy with no support system. That's why he does this odd crap like darkness retreats and ayahuasca. He's got unlimited resources and is trying to figure out who he is (as odd as that is to say about one of the top 25 football players of all time). Who does he actually get advice from?

Oh, so you're saying he's a prototypical kidless millenial?

I agree!

@MichiganPacker posted:

Rodgers is your weird high school friend that everybody kind of laughed at, but nobody really disliked. Favre was the equivalent of the rich kid's son that treated women like shit, would screw you over in a heartbeat, but arranged to get the beer for everyone at the parties. He was the type of guy whose family controlled the whole small town and knew he could get away with everything.

Favre's douchebaggery was not a secret in the Fox River Valley in the 1990s. He was an entitled POS from a young age and was enabled by many people along the way. In high school, at Sothern Miss, in Green Bay. Every step of the way. He knocked up his high school girlfriend, got to live life as a single partier for the next 10 years, and then his school girlfriend married him later (and he still played around on her).

Rodgers was under-recruited out of high school, went to a junior college, had one of the most excruciating waits in NFL draft history while on camera for hours, then had to sit behind a HOF QB, and succeeded in one of the most difficult situations you could put a young QB into (much like Jordan Love now). Rodgers seems like a guy that wants to learn about a lot of subjects, but sometimes doesn't know when to differentiate good information from misinformation. He is estranged from his family, bounces between girlfriends that seem to have gotten progressively weirder over the years (at least until Mallory Edens, if that's true). There really is no one in his life to tell him that he's being an idiot at times. Most of us have a spouse, a brother, a parent, or someone that will tell us what we don't want to hear. I think fundamentally Rodgers is a very lonely guy with no support system. That's why he does this odd crap like darkness retreats and ayahuasca. He's got unlimited resources and is trying to figure out who he is (as odd as that is to say about one of the top 25 football players of all time). Who does he actually get advice from?

Best post ever

@Pikes Peak posted:

4. AR also deals with the Favre indecisions baggage.  Fans have seen this movie before. Because it ended well last time some think it will again

Really good point.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Please let this drama end.

Comedy?

@PackLandVA posted:

Hot Take #329

AR decides he wants to stay in GB; Packers acquiesce.

Packers and AR restructure his contract to free up money for vet WR, experienced S, complimentary Edge, etc.

Gute and Murph have been “talking up” Love, knowing there was the possibility AR wants to return.

With AR in tow, Packers let Love seek a fair trade. If nothing prevails, he’s the backup again, and Packers agree to trade him next offseason. Packers use high pick to select QB if one’s available. Or sign vet after Love is traded. I see 9-11 teams maybe looking for a QB in the draft with only four being 1st Round talent.

What I said above, if AR returns, trade Love and draft another QB.

I still think the team planted story that they are ‘disgusted’ with him (if true) precludes him returning.  

That’s a big matzo ball!

For the love of God, give us some news already!!!!

@Pikes Peak posted:

I still think the team planted story that they are ‘disgusted’ with him (if true) precludes him returning.  

That’s a big matzo ball!

Oswald acted alone

@Tavis Smiley posted:

Oswald acted alone

I thought Ted Cruz's father was involved.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Please let this drama end.

To be fair, there's really not much actual drama outside of a bunch of dweebs obsessively posting about it on the internet taking it way more seriously than need be.

And let's face it, it's offseason buzz for the NFL so the league itself doesn't want this "over" any sooner than it has to be.  It's "Selection Sunday" leading into "March Madness" yet this is getting a boatload of attention and leads right into free agrncy season.

You're referring to us.

@Herschel posted:

There's a lot of similarities between preparing for the end of the TOG era and the end of the ARod era.
The main difference was the question if TOG would stay retired vs the question of will ARod return. But the waiting is about the same.

The Packers also took trips to MS and to CA a year or so ago. The Jets trip to CA to meet with Rodgers is similar to both of these, but I don't recall if any other teams did the same for TOG.

Media coverage is much the same; again, the main difference is the amount of outlets has grown considerably, but both fairly dominates sports news.

Fans are divided fairly evenly between keeping or letting go of TOG and ARod.
I remember being sick of TOG's crap on the field, especially his "effort" vs NYG in that cold NFCCG playoff, and was ready for him to go.
Lots of folks are the same with Rodgers, and largely for the same reasons.

@vitaflo posted:

And what if Rodgers will only commit to 1 year?  I still think the only way we get the 13th is if we swap 1sts.  Much of the trade collateral is going to be getting that albatross of a contract off our backs.  Same thing the Rams did with Ramsey just a bit ago.  That was a "get out of a contract" trade, which is why they only got a late 3rd for him.

The difference in value between the 13th and 15th picks is roughly equivalent to a high 4th round pick.
If that is just a portion of a larger compensation package then fine, but it's nowhere near enough on it's own.

IMO

Chance of me digesting that?  .0000000

Jalen Ramsay isn't Aaron freaking Rodgers.

Don't underestimate Gute. He has excellent negotiating skills like the way he fleeced the Saints and got Jaire.

Guess everyone forgets that

@Timmy! posted:

The Packers also took trips to MS and to CA a year or so ago. The Jets trip to CA to meet with Rodgers is similar to both of these, but I don't recall if any other teams did the same for TOG.

After that contract explanation and how brutal it is, I'm surprised the Jets aren't asking for our 1st round pick.

@Timmy! posted:

There's a lot of similarities between preparing for the end of the TOG era and the end of the ARod era.
The main difference was the question if TOG would stay retired vs the question of will ARod return. But the waiting is about the same.

The Packers also took trips to MS and to CA a year or so ago. The Jets trip to CA to meet with Rodgers is similar to both of these, but I don't recall if any other teams did the same for TOG.

Media coverage is much the same; again, the main difference is the amount of outlets has grown considerably, but both fairly dominates sports news.

Fans are divided fairly evenly between keeping or letting go of TOG and ARod.
I remember being sick of TOG's crap on the field, especially his "effort" vs NYG in that cold NFCCG playoff, and was ready for him to go.
Lots of folks are the same with Rodgers, and largely for the same reasons.

Love you like a brother Timmy, but the similarities between 4 and 12 end with "Favre and Rodgers"

@PA green & gold posted:

As an GBP owner who lives in PA, I agree with her!  

As a GBP owner who lives in Rochester NY, I agree with her and PA G&G.

https://youtu.be/VcotQVkQeXE

Can't believe that some posters are making a big deal of Woody Johnson and crew flying out to Cali to meet with Aaron.   They make it sound like the trip would break old Woody.  Hell, Woody carries around more pocket money than what the little excursion cost him.  Besides, who in the hell would not want out of NYC for a day in March when you can be in southern California?

Hope he brought a raincoat

@antooo posted:

The difference in value between the 13th and 15th picks is roughly equivalent to a high 4th round pick.
If that is just a portion of a larger compensation package then fine, but it's nowhere near enough on it's own.

IMO

I've always said I think we get two 2nds, one this year, and one next year that could turn into a 1st if the Jets do well this year and I could see us swapping 1sts this year.

I don't see the Jets giving us their #13 on its own tho.  Doubly so if Rodgers doesn't commit to 2 years.

I would absolutely love for Gute to prove me wrong, but I think a lot of the "compensation" we're getting is to get his contract off our books.

Could there ever be a universe where 12 comes back and he splits starts with 10?