Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

@michiganjoe posted:

Despite a report to the contrary, the #Packers and #Jets have not agreed to the framework of an Aaron Rodgers trade, per sources. Both sides continue to await word from Rodgers on his plans. If he decides he wants to go to New York, then the teams will work to hammer out a deal.

— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) March 11, 2023

I hope that's not true. If the Packers want a deal in 4 days this definitely works against them and leaves no time for a plan B. Who knows what is going on behind the scenes. For this to be true March 15 must not be a drop dead date, just a preference. It's hard to believe the Jets would take a 24 hr round trip to Cali without the parameters of a deal in place.

It's possible both reports are accurate depending on how you define "framework". General parameters of the trade may be in place but not the specifics.

@PackerRick posted:

I think that's what I said. He could have rejected the pay cut and became a FA but preferred GB. < I also believe he realized he couldn't do much better than what the Packers were offering on the open market and could land in a less friendly environment.>

Sorry, just seemed like you were saying he had no choice. I think he just really wanted to stay.

He ain't going anywhere. If he was he would have announced it already. The decision will be revealed at the start of FA just like last year just as I predicted about 10 pages ago.

@titmfatied posted:

Can the Packers pay him to teach Mark Murphy how to handle the press?

@michiganjoe posted:

Sticking with AR is just kicking the can down the road and compounding the mistake the organization made last year by not moving on. Time to give the player the Packers have invested so much in his opportunity.

Then why bring back Jones, Bakhtiari and Smith? Take as much of a lump this year and clear as much future cap as viable to make another potential run in a couple of years when those guys will be nothing but void years of dead cap?

Why wouldn't you want to surround Love with as good a team as possible? Don't see the team as a real contender with either AR or Love at QB.

I do think a better record is likely with AR at QB, but no sense in continuing to kick the can down the road and postponing the inevitable.

@michiganjoe posted:

Why wouldn't you want to surround Love with as good a team as possible? Don't see the team as a real contender with either AR or Love at QB.

There is a lot of talent on this team, but they badly need to upgrade at 3 positions (edge rusher, TE, and safety). TE and safety are some of the easiest places to upgrade in free agency since decent players don't get paid premium money. Edge rusher is tougher.

The Packers have a deep group of CBs, for the first time in years have some ILBs athletic enough to be difference makers, a great RB duo, and some promising WRs that now have experience. The OL should be a strength if Bakh and Jenkins are both back.

Of course, the DC is an issue and will probably lose them some games with soft zone on key downs, but if Love or AR played at a Pro Bowl level next year, this team can absolutely make a playoff run.

One team from the year before makes the Super Bowl or conf championship and fails to make the playoffs the next year.  Some team people had in the middle of the pack makes it deep in the playoffs.  

Most teams are a healthy year away from being a legitimate contender

except the bears

@MichiganPacker posted:

they badly need to upgrade at 3 positions (edge rusher, TE, and safety).

The WRs currently on the roster are Watson, Doubs, Toure, and Bo Melton.

@Goalline posted:

Can the Packers pay him to teach Mark Murphy how to handle the press?

Don't talk to the press.  Just go sledding.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Of course, the DC is an issue and will probably lose them some games with soft zone on key downs, but if Love or AR played at a Pro Bowl level next year, this team can absolutely make a playoff run.

Make the playoffs, sure, but I'm skeptical about a run. The lingering effects of watching the team win a single game as the #1 seed for two years.

"I think it won't be long, there's a time limit for all of this," Aaron Rodgers said when asked about the timeline of his thought process regarding what he would like to be doing in 2023. Rodgers added: "Stay tuned."

I keep refreshing my screen. 🤨

He’s only had 2 months since his last game, give him a break.

"Former Packers executive Andrew Brandt was asked on Twitter about the differences that team president Mark Murphy is facing with Rodgers in 2023 and with Favre back in 2008. Brandt said that Favre was popular and that the organization received criticism after moving on with Rodgers as their quarterback. Brandt says with the sense he’s getting, it’s not as bad now, saying “it seems like a decent segment of the fan base is ready to move on to Jordan.”

@Pikes Peak posted:

He’s only had 2 months since his last game, give him a break.

Haven't heard anything from MLF on this of late, or am I mistaken? Wonder what he wanting.

@PackerRick posted:

"Former Packers executive Andrew Brandt was asked on Twitter about the differences that team president Mark Murphy is facing with Rodgers in 2023 and with Favre back in 2008. Brandt said that Favre was popular and that the organization received criticism after moving on with Rodgers as their quarterback. Brandt says with the sense he’s getting, it’s not as bad now, saying “it seems like a decent segment of the fan base is ready to move on to Jordan.”

This is anecdotal but…I was talking to my sister (life long Wisconsinite) who lives in Oshkosh, a GBP owner. She told me that just about everyone she talks with is not only OK with his leaving, they are all in on it.

Anecdotal?  Yup.  But interesting none the less.

@Pikes Peak posted:

This is anecdotal but…I was talking to my sister (life long Wisconsinite) who lives in Oshkosh, a GBP owner. She told me that just about everyone she talks with is not only OK with his leaving, they are all in on it.

Anecdotal?  Yup.  But interesting none the less.

As an GBP owner who lives in PA, I agree with her!  

By Monday?

ROTFL

@michiganjoe posted:

Why wouldn't you want to surround Love with as good a team as possible? Don't see the team as a real contender with either AR or Love at QB.

So all the handwringing about the cap is bullshit, then.

Bakhtiari at LT at least makes some sense just to protect Love, but if they're not going to be a contender, why not jettison Jones and Smith and really clean out dead cap space from guys who won't be here when they're planning to be contenders again but dollars still will?  It's not like they spend high picks on RBs and they're looking for young edge guys anyway.

A number of differences between Favre / Rodgers that influence fans.

1. The "times" are different. Cable / internet / social media has much more influence over fans perceptions now than in 2008.

2. Majority of "click bait" , cable, etc. is negative towards Rodgers.

3. Rodgers just doesn't "fit in" with the typical Wisconsin resident. He comes off to them as a California hippie. Favre was the fun-loving country boy who didn't think he was smarter than the fans.

4. AR also deals with the Favre indecisions baggage.  Fans have seen this movie before. Because it ended well last time some think it will again

Favre fit in with all the drooling dumdum sconnies.  He was one of them.

Announcement I’m guessing before 11am Central tomorrow when the legal tampering starts for FA.

I would argue other big differences were that Favre was the guy who brought success back to GB after a multi-decade drought. He really was a modern-day folk hero in Wisconsin. Packer fans have had 30 years of relative success now, so we’re quite spoiled. And Favre’s last game as a Packer was a NFCC so there wasn’t really a “down” year for him like there was for Rodgers for people to start grumbling for the backup.

Rodgers just doesn't "fit in" with the typical Wisconsin resident. He comes off to them as a California hippie. Favre was the fun-loving country boy who didn't think he was smarter than the fans.    Oh yah, I just love that good ol’ country boy, who shows his dick over the internet, steals money from poor people and lies about it, and really is just stupid.  🤬 🤮 🤬

Favre was a lot more relatable for sure, but let’s not forget he got away with a lot of BS that wasn’t reported or glossed over because of no social media and no smart phone technology at the time.

Had he and Rodgers switched places, all the drama and controversy and off the field nonsense would have been 10 times more upsetting and frustrating and exhausting because let’s be honest - what we do know about Brent is he was a phenomenal player but an absolute scumbag of a human being.  

Rodgers is quirky and high maintenance but he’s not a POS like Favre is or was.  Not even close.

If the Packers can get another 15 years of HOF play from Love , then I look forward to 15 years from now when we have the same drama with does he stay or go. Thats the price you pay for great QB play. Hopefully I am still around to enjoy it.

“phenomenal player”.   😂 🤣 😂  right, hall of fame player with the record INT’s thrown will NEVER be broken.

Favre also helped make GB relevant again after the abysmal 70's and 80's.  In reality I would say Reggie actually did that more than Favre did but, Favre got most of the credit.  Fans weren't willing to give that up to an unproven QB in Rodgers.

Now, after back to back HOF QB's, a lot of fans have forgotten the 80's and aren't as gun shy about moving on.

Legal tampering starts Monday at noon.  So Rodgers has less than 24 hours to make a decision.  If he hasn't made a decision by then, he's screwing the Packers (and Jets) chances to sign FA's.

As usual, Rodgers is letting the play clock run to zero.

I'm calling the trade framework right here If I'm wrong, throw it in my face.

Will happen.

Pack gets Jets #1 in 2023 and a conditional 4th in 2024, moving up to 3rd if they make the playoffs, 2nd if they get into the Super Bowl and 1st if they WIN the Super Bowl.

@Tschmack posted:

Favre was a lot more relatable for sure, but let’s not forget he got away with a lot of BS that wasn’t reported or glossed over because of no social media and no smart phone technology at the time.

Had he and Rodgers switched places, all the drama and controversy and off the field nonsense would have been 10 times more upsetting and frustrating and exhausting because let’s be honest - what we do know about Brent is he was a phenomenal player but an absolute scumbag of a human being.  

Rodgers is quirky and high maintenance but he’s not a POS like Favre is or was.  Not even close.

Rodgers is your weird high school friend that everybody kind of laughed at, but nobody really disliked. Favre was the equivalent of the rich kid's son that treated women like shit, would screw you over in a heartbeat, but arranged to get the beer for everyone at the parties. He was the type of guy whose family controlled the whole small town and knew he could get away with everything.

Favre's douchebaggery was not a secret in the Fox River Valley in the 1990s. He was an entitled POS from a young age and was enabled by many people along the way. In high school, at Sothern Miss, in Green Bay. Every step of the way. He knocked up his high school girlfriend, got to live life as a single partier for the next 10 years, and then his school girlfriend married him later (and he still played around on her).

Rodgers was under-recruited out of high school, went to a junior college, had one of the most excruciating waits in NFL draft history while on camera for hours, then had to sit behind a HOF QB, and succeeded in one of the most difficult situations you could put a young QB into (much like Jordan Love now). Rodgers seems like a guy that wants to learn about a lot of subjects, but sometimes doesn't know when to differentiate good information from misinformation. He is estranged from his family, bounces between girlfriends that seem to have gotten progressively weirder over the years (at least until Mallory Edens, if that's true). There really is no one in his life to tell him that he's being an idiot at times. Most of us have a spouse, a brother, a parent, or someone that will tell us what we don't want to hear. I think fundamentally Rodgers is a very lonely guy with no support system. That's why he does this odd crap like darkness retreats and ayahuasca. He's got unlimited resources and is trying to figure out who he is (as odd as that is to say about one of the top 25 football players of all time). Who does he actually get advice from?

I would argue one thing in that Rodgers faced a greater challenge having to live up to the success Favre and those teams set up. Favre definitely set a standard for success that was aided by Holmgren, Wolf, and Harlan and the team that was assembled around him. GB had nowhere to go but up at that point.

It's difficult to follow and succeed a legend. Rodgers did it and there haven't been many others that have. Some think this was accomplished by The Godfather II, but that's up for debate😏

@vitaflo posted:
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As usual, Rodgers is letting the play clock run to zero.

Pisses me off more than any of his other proclivities.

@Herschel posted:

Then why bring back Jones, Bakhtiari and Smith? Take as much of a lump this year and clear as much future cap as viable to make another potential run in a couple of years when those guys will be nothing but void years of dead cap?

None of those guys have Love behind them and their contracts were easier to work with. About the only thing that can be done with Rodgers' massive cap hit is kick it down the road. The Packers are going to get punished capwise on that contract, it's just a question of when and it may as well be when they think they have a viable replacement.

@Goldie posted:

Rodgers just doesn't "fit in" with the typical Wisconsin resident. He comes off to them as a California hippie. Favre was the fun-loving country boy who didn't think he was smarter than the fans.   Oh yah, I just love that good ol’ country boy, who shows his dick over the internet, steals money from poor people and lies about it, and really is just stupid.  🤬 🤮 🤬

None of that was known at the time the Packers were trying to move Favre. I'm sure many opinions of Favre have changed since then.