Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

Charles Robinson of Yahoo was on Wilde and Tausch today. Listen Here (start at 27:40)

According to him the Packers want:

2023 2nd

2024 1st (unconditional)

Willing to give 2025 pick if Rodgers retires after 2023

Jets Offering:

2023 2nd

2024 2nd that can escalate to 1st (speculates condition is Jets in AFC Championship)

Want 2025 Packers pick if Rodgers retires after 2023.

He also had a lot to say about Woody Johnson's involvement. Charles said (@34:00) his understanding is there were extensive talks about the original framework of the deal before the Jets flew out to meet Rodgers and it was:

2023 3rd (unconditional)

2024 1st (unconditional)

The Jets firmly believed Rodgers was giving them a two year window. Then Woody heard Rodgers talking about his 90% retirement talk on the Pat McAfee show and got scared. Charles paraphrased that Woody's stance changed to not wanting to give up a 1st for a one year window. Woody is also nervous about the Russell Wilson debacle. Woody is also worried the 2024 pick ends up being high if catastrophe hits and they don't have it to draft one of the top two 2024 QBs.

According to Charles the hangup is all about that 2024 1st round pick. Packers want unconditional and Jets are flat out refusing (after changing their minds).

@46:00 Charles speculates he thinks the Jets would be willing to give up the 2025 giveback for Rodgers retiring if the Packers moved off the unconditional 2024 1st and accepted:

2023 2nd

2024 2nd that becomes a 1st if the Jets win a playoff game. Possibly even just making the playoffs.

Interview is well worth a careful listen.

@Blair Kiel posted:

If Murphy was a chair…what number would he be?

Seems like he'd be more of a "bed" guy.

I don't think any condition should be based on the Jets team performance. Rodgers could carry that team all season and they could blow it in the playoffs for any reason. I read somewhere that Saleh cost them a couple games with poor clock management. That's not our problem.

@Blair Kiel posted:

If Murphy was a chair…what number would he be?

3, same as the number of legs it would have.

@titmfatied posted:

@46:00 Charles speculates he thinks the Jets would be willing to give up the 2025 giveback for Rodgers retiring if the Packers moved off the unconditional 2024 1st and accepted:

2023 2nd

2024 2nd that becomes a 1st if the Jets win a playoff game. Possibly even just making the playoffs.

After hearing there is absolutely no other market for Rodgers I would take the above deal.

@titmfatied posted:

2024 2nd that can escalate to 1st (speculates condition is Jets in AFC Championship)

2024 2nd that becomes a 1st if the Jets win a playoff game. Possibly even just making the playoffs.

I thought that was a top scenario was a helluva stretch for a team that hasn't even sniffed the playoffs for 12 years. Certainly not realistic enough to risk a 'condition' on..
The bottom scenario makes much more sense; just making the playoffs will likely be a challenge for the Jets with Buffalo in their division, and the Chefs, Bungles, and AFCS division winner taking over half the available slots.

I also think it strange the Jets wouldn't know of how long ARod intends to play. It seems to me they have to know in order to know what kind of offer they will make to the Packers, and what they are willing to accept.

WTH else would they be talking about on the plane?

Given the fact that the Jets keep proclaiming that the deal is going to happen, could this be a scenario? The Jets have given the Packers the choice of their First Round pick or both of their seconds, but the Packers want to wait until draft night to see who is there at #13 before they decide which option to take?

Worried that Gutey is getting played like a fiddle. Douglas seems to be slowly walking back on compensation (using the 90% talk) and Gutey will get desperate at the 11th hour and grab whatever scrap is on the table.

@WolfPack posted:

Worried that Gutey is getting played like a fiddle. Douglas seems to be slowly walking back on compensation (using the 90% talk) and Gutey will get desperate at the 11th hour and grab whatever scrap is on the table.

I personally think the more likely scenario is  that he has his best poker face going and is not going to flinch. 

@titmfatied posted:

@46:00 Charles speculates he thinks the Jets would be willing to give up the 2025 giveback for Rodgers retiring if the Packers moved off the unconditional 2024 1st and accepted:

2023 2nd

2024 2nd that becomes a 1st if the Jets win a playoff game. Possibly even just making the playoffs.

That sounds more than acceptable to me. Important to remember that the Jets are also assuming the onerous contract from the Packers in the deal.

@Blair Kiel posted:

If Murphy was a chair…what number would he be?

That would make him a witch so...they'd have to burn him.

I am betting Gute just wants to see Rodgers gone. I am hoping he isn't in a desperate spot, where he'd take anything, at this point.

We gave up two second round picks, last season, to get Watson, a rookie. The Jets may do the same to get Rodgers, a 4 time MVP. I still am hoping we can snare the Jets pick at #13 and a second round pick, for Rodgers, instead of settling for picks from only the second round, or lower.

@WolfPack posted:

Worried that Gutey is getting played like a fiddle. Douglas seems to be slowly walking back on compensation (using the 90% talk) and Gutey will get desperate at the 11th hour and grab whatever scrap is on the table.

I definitely share the same concern. He seems to show a pattern of panicking on draft day and unnecessarily trading picks away at the last minute to move up to get players that would have still been there had he not pissed the picks away. I could see him panicking in the same fashion with the Rodgers trade.

In my non-expert uniformed opinion it looks like a big game of chicken between the 2.  The first point of leverage is draft day where afterwards the Packers lose out on chance to improve this year's roster.  Second point is probably sometime in  August where the Jets decide Rodgers has missed enough camp to move on. (on to what I have no idea) Only other variables I see are if trade didn't happen and Rodgers shows up to camp unwanted or another team decided to get involved.

The hilarity to me of the situation is Rodgers having to sit back and hear how little the Jets value him even if he knows they are just trying to get him for cheap.  With his ego its go to hurt when your value is a couple of 2s.

One of the theories out there is that one or both teams are waiting until draft day to see how the draft falls before dealing this year's picks, i.e. if there isn't an OL at #13 that can help NYJ, they may be more willing to deal it to GB for AR.  Risky game for both sides.

That's only 2wks away!

Forget what Douglas says. If Woodie Johnson is getting cold feet because of Rodgers 90% retirement talk we better get something done sooner than later. History is working against us with both Seattle and Detroit cashing in top picks for QBs they moved. It's the Wilson trade that is messing with Woodie. And to think, we could have gotten that cache last season, be drafting 5th this year, and have nothing to do with the Jets and the east coast media.

if Rodgers went to Denver, the Broncos would not be drafting 5th and Hackett still has that job.

@PackerRick posted:

Forget what Douglas says. If Woodie Johnson is getting cold feet because of Rodgers 90% retirement talk we better get something done sooner than later. History is working against us with both Seattle and Detroit cashing in top picks for QBs they moved. It's the Wilson trade that is messing with Woodie. And to think, we could have gotten that cache last season, be drafting 5th this year, and have nothing to do with the Jets and the east coast media.

While this is true it would have been hard to trade a back to back MVP. In hindsight it looks good but at the time, not so much. I had hoped they would either keep 12 and 17 or trade both.

@PackerRick posted:

Forget what Douglas says. If Woodie Johnson is getting cold feet because of Rodgers 90% retirement talk we better get something done sooner than later.

Do the Jets have a plan B?  I don't think they are trading up to top 5.  Kirk or Matty would cost just as much if not more to obtain and probably more cap space (although I don't know.  Who else is available?

@13X posted:

While this is true it would have been hard to trade a back to back MVP. In hindsight it looks good but at the time, not so much. I had hoped they would either keep 12 and 17 or trade both.

There were a lot of people that wanted this trade but the people that mattered didn't want that to be their legacy. It's ironic that Adams never changed his stance a bit about playing in GB even after Rodgers signed. I think that went partially into the Packers dumping all that money on Rodgers thinking it would be a bargaining chip with Adams.

@GratefulPack posted:

Do the Jets have a plan B?  I don't think they are trading up to top 5.  Kirk or Matty would cost just as much if not more to obtain and probably more cap space (although I don't know.  Who else is available?

I saw a mock today that had the top 4 QBs going in the top 4 picks. It required a few trades and I can't see it.

@PackerRick posted:

I don't think any condition should be based on the Jets team performance. Rodgers could carry that team all season and they could blow it in the playoffs for any reason. I read somewhere that Saleh cost them a couple games with poor clock management. That's not our problem.

Have you not witnessed Rodgers' recent post-season performances?  Why point a finger at Saleh?

@PackerRick posted:

Forget what Douglas says. If Woodie Johnson is getting cold feet because of Rodgers 90% retirement talk we better get something done sooner than later. History is working against us with both Seattle and Detroit cashing in top picks for QBs they moved. It's the Wilson trade that is messing with Woodie. And to think, we could have gotten that cache last season, be drafting 5th this year, and have nothing to do with the Jets and the east coast media.

It's a negotiation tactic as old as time. Show you're interested, agree on a price, then pretend you are worried about pick a reason, and try to get the other team to drop the price.

Fuck Woody...he can roll with that trainwreck QB they have now, and 12 can sit at home. He thinks the Packers are a bunch of hayseeds and is trying to get away on the cheap.

@D J posted:

Have you not witnessed Rodgers' recent post-season performances?  Why point a finger at Saleh?

Because if the HC they already have has a history of costing his team wins the Packers shouldn't inherit that. Team performance should be no part of conditions. Now we have to guarantee wins to get fair compensation? I don't recall Denver adding conditions like that for Wilson.

@Chongo posted:

Fuck Woody...he can roll with that trainwreck QB they have now, and 12 can sit at home. He thinks the Packers are a bunch of hayseeds and is trying to get away on the cheap.

I agree with this. They seem to think they can push the Packers around and I'd love to see them pull the rug out on the Jets no matter how it's done. This crap where they are lowballing the Packers and then claiming the Packers are out of line for holding firm is BS. 6 wins with Cam Newton!

@GratefulPack posted:

The hilarity to me of the situation is Rodgers having to sit back and hear how little the Jets value him even if he knows they are just trying to get him for cheap.  With his ego its go to hurt when your value is a couple of 2s.

Something tells me Rodgers could shrug that off if the payoff was sticking it to Gute/Murphy. I don't really believe he wants to play football. I think he wants to get paid and add to his stats, and what better place to be the center of attention than NYC? No one really knows for certain what's in his head, and that's the type of control he lives for. He's the one party who could put an end to this, while expressing commitment to his new boss. Instead, he will let the media run with every new bit of info and convincing himself that Gute must be squirming amid all the speculation. I think it's that personal after what we have learned. To me, that first Mcafee spot was his version of Bert calling Millen with the GB gameplan.

Everyone talks about the problems in the Packers locker room if Rodgers is around, how about the problems in the Jets locker room if they don't get Rodgers around?

Think the Jets players give a rats ass about a high draft pick rookie coming in to take one of their jobs when they know the season is a wash without a difference making QB?

Not getting Rodgers causes chaos for their entire organizational structure. Does Saleh get a free pass on the season? The fan base is already 50/50 on him near as I can tell. Wonder who in the building wanted Carr? Apparently everyone but Woody. He is a mutt of an owner and is going to get raked over the coals if he doesn't bring 12 to town.

Charles Robinson was on Nashville radio today. He said if the one in a million chance the Packers don't back down happens and the Rodgers deal to the Jets doesn't go through that the backup plan might be trying to acquire Tannehill from the Titans. Good luck with that!

Skip to 2:05:40 for his discussion

@PackerRick posted:

Now we have to guarantee wins to get fair compensation?

Who the f*** said that?

@D J posted:

Who the f*** said that?

What do you think having conditions based on how well the Jets do as a team means? If they don't win the Packers shouldn't be penalized for it. If they want conditions such as Rodgers has to be on the roster a certain number of games I can see that. But if their PK misses three game winning kicks that's just not the Packers problem.

@titmfatied posted:

Charles Robinson was on in Nashville radio today. He said if the one in a million chance the Packers don't back down happens and the Rodgers deal to the Jets doesn't go through that the backup plan might be trying to acquire Tannehill from the Titans. Good luck with that!

Skip to 2:05:40 for his discussion

Tannehill will be 35 this summer so he's no spring chicken plus he has a $27 mil salary this season, the final year of his contract. So besides not being close to Rodgers in ability, he's a bigger cap hit than Rodgers plus he's not signed beyond this year if he did have a decent season. Not a lot of upside for a guy who has been playing against 8 in the box because of Henry.

@PackerRick posted:

What do you think having conditions based on how well the Jets do as a team means? If they don't win the Packers shouldn't be penalized for it. If they want conditions such as Rodgers has to be on the roster a certain number of games I can see that. But if their PK misses three game winning kicks that's just not the Packers problem.

You are on a page of your own.

It was you who mentioned the Jets losing in the playoffs and then mentioned Saleh. All I said was have you not seen Rodgers' recent post-season performances so why blame Saleh?

You're completely missing my point. The Jets have lost games they should have won BEFORE Rodgers is even there. Why should the Packers get penalized if that keeps happening? The point is the Packers shouldn't pay a price if the Jets blow games. The Packers have no control over that. I wasn't blaming Saleh for anything, just using that as an example. As I said in the next post, to get you off that, their PK could miss 3 game winning kicks. Not our problem.

2 weeks

22 pages

@H5 posted:

2 weeks

22 pages

Sure.  But, I’ll be that guy, notice the *..    Two topics doesn’t beat going for two in my mind.

“If it ain’t one thing, it’s another with (Rodgers). Kudos to him. He’s definitely a guy who likes being talked about. Very mysterious. I think he kind of likes that. He is a Jet now, so it’s the Jets’ problem.” #Packers David Bakhtiari on the “Bussin’ With The Boys” podcast.

— Mike Clemens (@MikeClemensNFL) April 14, 2023

Believe the term is attention whore.

@PackerRick posted:

Why should the Packers get penalized if that keeps happening?

WTF are you going on about? 

The Packers probably want to stand firm on the demand for the 2024 first round pick, because they can't afford to sign a crap ton of high round draft picks this year given salary cap constraints.  The conditional stuff whether Rodgers plays for 2 years or not should be addressed through a Jets contract re-negotiation with Rodgers, not Packers draft picks.  If the Packers can get the Jets 3rd rounder this year (per the original deal parameters), great.  2nd rounder this year even better.  I don't think getting the deal done before this year's draft is THAT big of a driver but I don't know in what rounds the Packers see the greatest value in this draft. 

There’s nothing “great” about the Packers getting the Jets 3rd round pick

@BrainDed posted:

Sure.  But, I’ll be that guy, notice the *..    Two topics doesn’t beat going for two in my mind.

So this is the Roger Maris of threads?