@michiganjoe posted:Douglas says the pick swap (13/15) was one of the final components that went into the negotiations to close the deal. #Jets
— Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) April 25, 2023
Packers demanding #13 outright, and the Jets refusing and settling for swapping picks.
Honestly, it makes neither side look bad nor does it make Gute a genius and Douglas a bad negotiator.
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@PackerRick posted:Do you really think Gutey did it after he drafted Love to replace Rodgers and saw how Rodgers reacted after drafting Love? It had to kill him to watch his buddy Schneider collect that cache.
I don’t think there was ever a negotiation or a deal in place to nix as the Packers were never going to trade a back to back MVP in the first place so why would they waste their time negotiating ?
@DH13 posted:I may have missed it among all the fleecing by each side but how much of AR's remaining contract is GB still on the hook for once the deal is complete? I thought a big part of the win was getting the remainder of the contract off our books but now I've also read conflicting reports.
Anybody want to explain it to my 5 year olds so they can explain it to me?
The trade will occur pre-June 1, so we have a one-time dead cap hit of $40 million in 2023 (or less depending on how the contract is restructured at trade time) and nothing more, ever.
Anyone who says this trade was bad for the Packers is dumb and you should tell them they are dumb.
I think if we keep arguing this thread will go over 200 pages. So let’s keep it going.
BTW I know that Murphy killed that trade and he also killed JFK. No speculation on my part. I know this for a fact.
@Pakrz posted:You “Murphy killed the trade” guys are so full of shit.
So the Gute fans are now insisting it was Murph, and nobody but the Murph, who who last offseason (A) nixed the trade to Denver and (B) then lavished Rodge with that ridiculous new deal right after nixing the trade?
By golly, given how he has kept quiet and displayed nothing but his usual unfaltering fealty to Murph since Murph completely and utterly neutered him when it came to dealing with Rodge in 2022 (according to the Gute fans), it is no wonder that Gute is so popular inside 1265 Lombardi.
Is there any greater attribute when it comes to Packer front office personnel than supine loyalty to one's boss?
@NumberThree posted:The trade will occur pre-June 1, so we have a one-time dead cap hit of $40 million in 2023 (or less depending on how the contract is restructured at trade time) and nothing more, ever.
This is one of the best parts of the deal. Rip the band-aid off now and be done with it. Still have Love on his rookie deal so the Packers are paying the QB position about $44 million this year (I think Love is making about $4 million??)
@PackerRick posted:Douglas gave up a lot more than he wanted to. Just swapping picks is a huge deal. He was adamant about keeping that pick. For the Packers to simply trade up for that pick would cost pick #100, a 3rd rounder this year. But even worse for Douglas, he might lose out on that LT he wanted to protect Rodgers. The Packers could very easily draft a LT. It also moves division rival NE, picking #14, ahead of the Jets.
Getting two #2 pick was a pipedream and never seriously talked about in rumored trade proposals. The 5th for a 6th is almost insignificant when it was rumored he wanted something in 2025 if Rodgers only played 1 year.
Well, yeah, he's have liked to give up a #2 and be done with it, but that wasn't realistic. The pick swap is nice, but isn't that big of a deal. The only reason pick #100 is still a 3rd is because San Fran knows how to hire good minority coaches, so you're stretching mightily there.
It was a fair trade for both sides, period.
Douglas kept maximum resources for this year, assuming higher risk next year. When going "all-in" that makes sense.
Gutekunst traded risk and better compensation this year for less risk/ better compensation odds next year.
One guy is trying everything to win the Super Bowl in 2023/2024, the other is trying to rebuild in 2023/2024. They both got what they needed.
Trying to win the Super Bowl because they traded for a 40 year old QB who hasn't played well in the cold?
Maybe they'll build him a roof over MetLife.
Despite H5's advice, I'm going to ask if ARod's trade can be designated post- June 1?
Wouldn't the dead cap be spread over 2 years that way?
I thought that might be part of the 'modified contract' Rodgers is supposed to sign to facilitate the trade.
@PackerRick posted:Saleh has won 11 games in 2 seasons and has no QB. He even fired MLF's brother to bring Hackett in for Rodgers. He's already bending for Rodgers and trying to save his job.
Or bending for Woody.
Just 13 months ago.....ahhh memories
https://www.si.com/nfl/steeler...ackers-aaron-rodgers
The Broncos are set to offer a first and second round pick in the 2022 NFL Draft and a first-round pick in 2023 in exchange for Rodgers.
That's interesting.
Ctrl+F "Murphy" returns 0 results.
Still seeking sauce.
Shlereth , wright or rong to this day stands by his ‘reporting’. Some one in the Donks org said something, he went with it and it fell thru.
Why?
@13X posted:So some random guys on a blog site have the inside scoop but the press has no idea? Sorry but I don’t believe that for a second.
Whoever it was should be fired.
@PackerRick posted:Gute would have made that trade in a heartbeat last year so only Murphy could stop him. Last year Murphy didn't listen and called Rodgers a "complicated fella". One year later he knows Rodgers is a pain in the ass and OKed the trade.
I tend to agree, it makes sense, since MLF and Gute weren't/aren't huge AR fans, but it's still purely speculation. No matter who it was, it was a major fuck up.
@Boris posted:Just 13 months ago.....ahhh memories
https://www.si.com/nfl/steeler...ackers-aaron-rodgers
The Broncos are set to offer a first and second round pick in the 2022 NFL Draft and a first-round pick in 2023 in exchange for Rodgers.
That's interesting.
Yes I believe Denver was interested and that's why they brought Hackett in, but I don't believe the GBP were ever in negotiations as they were never going to trade a back to back MVP. Yes that is only my opinion but I haven't seen any reports to the contrary.
@RochNyFan posted:He WAS a 4-time MVP. His play was pretty ordinary last year and he turns 40 this year, so there are no reasons to expect an upward trajectory.
Unless he just feels like playing better. He's a complicated fella.
@Floridarob posted:Only in Green Bay is the QB with a broken thumb and ribs, ineffective offensive line, Green as grass WRs, and a lousy defense expected to play like an MVP
His play was less of an issue than if he was worth the contract. Especially since Denver was offering a shit ton of compensation for a guy who, despite two NFC championship games at home, couldn't lift the team to the SB, whose attitude got older than he was, and he was old. I appreciate what he did, it was nice to be in the mix every season, but he just stopped being worth it. Last year was the perfect time to move on.
@GBFanForLife posted:No one forced Rodgers to play with a broken thumb
That's one of the problems. He chose to.
@13X posted:Yes I believe Denver was interested and that's why they brought Hackett in, but I don't believe the GBP were ever in negotiations as they were never going to trade a back to back MVP. Yes that is only my opinion but I haven't seen any reports to the contrary.
Never going to trade a back-to-back MVP is also speculation. I live in Denver and watch the media closely. Rodgers was deal numero uno, Wilson was plan B. Schlereth and several media outlets here stated the deal was imminent. Broncos fans were already clinking the champaign glasses. You'd be stupid not to consider a trade like that. You'd be even more stupid to pass it up.
Sooo.. No source to Murphy blocking the trade?
@Harry Manback posted:Never going to trade a back-to-back MVP is also speculation. I live in Denver and watch the media closely. Rodgers was deal numero uno, Wilson was plan B. Schlereth and several media outlets here stated the deal was imminent. Broncos fans were already clinking the champaign glasses. You'd be stupid not to consider a trade like that. You'd be even more stupid to pass it up.
I haven't read anything that suggested that the Packers were in negotiations with Denver. If they wanted to move on from him they had the perfect opportunity as he was pissed off and ready to leave. Instead they kissed his ass and signed him to a ridiculous contract. It is VERY unlikely they were going to trade a back to back MVP.
How many times will the previously Sunday early game Jets be on late Sunday, Sunday nite, Monday nite and Thursday. My guess, 4 late Sundays and 3 of the others. Conversely, lots of Sunday nooners coming up for GB.
We had a good run.
Here's a link to Rodgers farewell on instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cr...gshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D
Very, very nice.
@Pikes Peak posted:Very, very nice.
Indeed!!
Nice post by Aaron there. Very well written.
At least he learned that much from Favre's exit.
@Satori posted:Here's a link to Rodgers farewell on instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cr...gshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D
-12 <<<< WTF minus twelve?
Damn.... There is no minus in football
That's a nice farewell from him. I'm glad to see that.
What did we get from Favre? I can't remember. 🤣😆
@Harry Manback posted:Never going to trade a back-to-back MVP is also speculation. I live in Denver and watch the media closely. Rodgers was deal numero uno, Wilson was plan B. Schlereth and several media outlets here stated the deal was imminent. Broncos fans were already clinking the champaign glasses. You'd be stupid not to consider a trade like that. You'd be even more stupid to pass it up.
If Rodgers Hollywood starlet Broncos fan girlfriend hadn't dumped him he'd be in Denver.
@Boris posted:What did we get from Favre? I can't remember. 🤣😆
Thd excitement of seeing him and the Queens choke job. Perfect ending.
And the unfortunate Postscript of him stealing dollars from the underserved of his home state.
