We're all owners of the GBP, and we know what we're doing, too. 
@D J posted:Have they said this or is it the usual BS from sportswriters? Shaky OL, few weapons; why would AR want that? Fine by me, but would it be fine with AR?
They must not be too bad. They were 7-4 and lost their last 6 games. Flacco and Wilson combined to throw 11 TD passes and had ratings in the 70s. I believe the Jets will really make a run at Rodgers but he won't play there.
I don't think Rodgers would object to playing for the Jets, it's playing in NY I don't think he'll agree to. The Jets are definitely on the upswing and hammered the Packers last year. That was one game the Packers were never really in.
I still stick by my prediction that it will be GB, LV, or NYJ for Rodgers and it won't be anywhere else. I know a lot of us are saying trade him to even and NFC team but I just don't see the Packers doing that. What would it be like around here if say the Packers trade him to an NFC team and he knocks the Packers out of the playoffs or playoff contention. $100 says everyone will be on fire about how stupid Gute was to trade him to an NFC team.
Another thing to consider is what NFC team will be or has the draft capital and cap space that the Jets and Raiders do?
The Niners donât. Neither do the Saints or Bucs. The Panthers? Perhaps, but thatâs not a plug and play situation like the Raiders or Jets are.
I want him to go to the Raiders because that 7th overall pick is really valuable. Even the Jets 1st rounder is pretty decent. That has to be part of any Rodgers deal.
This is why GB really has to make a move and trade him. If he plays for GB this year the Love ship has sailed and they miss out on getting draft compensation back that can really help them the next 1-3 years.
@The Heckler posted:I still stick by my prediction that it will be GB, LV, or NYJ for Rodgers and it won't be anywhere else. I know a lot of us are saying trade him to even and NFC team but I just don't see the Packers doing that. What would it be like around here if say the Packers trade him to an NFC team and he knocks the Packers out of the playoffs or playoff contention. $100 says everyone will be on fire about how stupid Gute was to trade him to an NFC team.
If 12 goes the Packers will likely move other vets as well (Bak, maybe Jones, etc). Point being, GB will be in rebuild mode so I wouldnât be worrying too much about the playoffs. Trade the guy to the highest bidder.
@The Heckler posted:I still stick by my prediction that it will be GB, LV, or NYJ for Rodgers and it won't be anywhere else. I know a lot of us are saying trade him to even and NFC team but I just don't see the Packers doing that. What would it be like around here if say the Packers trade him to an NFC team and he knocks the Packers out of the playoffs or playoff contention. $100 says everyone will be on fire about how stupid Gute was to trade him to an NFC team.
I don't really see that as an issue. Unless you're in good position to get to the SB (unlike this year), getting knocked out of the playoffs isn't that big of a deal. It's not like Love's first year is going to look like 2011 or even 2014 where the overall team is strong and they're expected to make it out of the NFC.
The only scenario I see this really embarrassing the FO, at least in fans' eyes, is if he went to MIN or DET and they knocked us out of the playoffs. After that, he doesn't have a lot of career left and GB would be on the upswing with a young QB and lots of draft capital.
@YATittle posted:Chip on the shoulder. First QB since Joe Willie to win a Super Bowl for them.
If he goes to the Jets it will be his choice.
No chip.
@Packiderm posted:I think Jackson is done as a QB that can lead a team to an Owl unless he has a top 5 defense behind him. Too many injuries, too many mistakes and that "tude " to go along with it. He wants Watson money and I don't think there is another idot owner that will give that much.
Funny, I think the opposite. If Jackson hits the free market he will be the #1 QB in demand. Rodgers would be an afterthought.
@DH13 posted:I don't really see that as an issue. Unless you're in good position to get to the SB (unlike this year), getting knocked out of the playoffs isn't that big of a deal. It's not like Love's first year is going to look like 2011 or even 2014 where the overall team is strong and they're expected to make it out of the NFC.
The only scenario I see this really embarrassing the FO, at least in fans' eyes, is if he went to MIN or DET and they knocked us out of the playoffs. After that, he doesn't have a lot of career left and GB would be on the upswing with a young QB and lots of draft capital.
Not picking on you, but I've read this a lot on here. There seems to be some foregone conclusion with some folks that think Jordan Love is that dude. I understand many people on this board only know the Favre and Rodgers eras, but great QBs don't grow on trees. Packer fans that lived through the 70's and 80's know that shit all to well. Hell, we sucked so bad that Majik whipped us all into a frenzy and he wasn't shit.
The reality is that GB will very likely go through several QBs and draft picks before they even sniff their next franchise type QB.
I'm going bet that if Rodgers is traded whatever we get in draft capital will not make fans happy. I think his trade value is *way* less than people think it is.
Agreed. I don't think there's a huge pot of gold for a 40ish year old QB. That, and teams interested will know that 12 wants out and that GB has to move him due to salary cap issues.
If GB can land 1 first round pick I'll be happy with that.
I also think his whackyness may lower his value a bit. Maybe not a lot but it will be in the mix.
Still not convinced 12 is leaving and all of this "decision making process," isn't just him getting his jollies by messing with the media...who as much as they dislike the guy, can't help but feed into his purported "attention-loving ego," by covering and commenting on his every move.
The Packers "leadership," obviously doesn't have the balls to make tough decisions when it comes to 12...so they are not telling him "we are going in a different direction."
I'll watch and support the team whoever QB1 is...doesn't matter to me because it's always about
@Pakrz posted:Agreed. I don't think there's a huge pot of gold for a 40ish year old QB. That, and teams interested will know that 12 wants out and that GB has to move him due to salary cap issues.
If GB can land 1 first round pick I'll be happy with that.
I think a 2nd this year and a 3rd in 2024 that could turn into a 1st depending on how his new team does (ala Favre trade) is the more likely scenario.
Everyone wants a 1st but I just don't see why any team would give a 1st for a guy who more than likely won't play more than one year. Especially a high 1st like the Raiders have. They could draft a QB with that pick. Jets have been making great draft picks as of late, there's no reason for them to give up theirs either.
@Pakrz posted:If 12 goes the Packers will likely move other vets as well (Bak, maybe Jones, etc). Point being, GB will be in rebuild mode so I wouldnât be worrying too much about the playoffs. Trade the guy to the highest bidder.
Not like we made the playoffs this year with him. And whether it has been coaching, GM, or lack of Darkness boy not stepping up. XLV was a long damn time ago.
The trade should have been made last year. Best time to correct that is this year.
Even if it was someone like the Raiders and we switched first round picks and then maybe grabbed their R2 and R3
I saw some dumb dumb mention Waller. Do not need his contract.
Gutendumdum and the crew invested in Love. Letâs see what he has.
@Iowacheese posted:Even if it was someone like the Raiders and we switched first round picks and then maybe grabbed their R2 and R3
Switching 1sts is something I hadn't considered and is a good way of getting value without the trading team giving up a pick. Good call.
@Pikes Peak posted:I also think his whackyness may lower his value a bit. Maybe not a lot but it will be in the mix.
Deshaun Watson's value didn't seem to be affected by behavior that was several orders of magnitude more offensive than any wackiness associated with AR.
If only one team is truly interested in trading for AR, the darkness/ghee guru part may be something they try to use for negotiating purposes.
If multiple teams are interested (Raiders and Jets), it won't even be part of the discussion.
Very trueâĶ.too bad Cleveland is not in the market anymore.
@Pakrz posted:If 12 goes the Packers will likely move other vets as well (Bak, maybe Jones, etc). Point being, GB will be in rebuild mode so I wouldnât be worrying too much about the playoffs. Trade the guy to the highest bidder.
All true. All of Rodgers' buddies are likely to be gone next season and he's said he doesn't want to be traded to a team rebuilding. I'm sure he'll feel the same way about being part of the Packers going into rebuild. Cobb, Crosby, Smith, Amos, Jones, Bak are all likely to be off the roster next season.
I believe the Titans are a viable alternative for AR. AR seems to like Vrable and they have a pretty good defense and a great Rb. Not sure if their WRs are any better than the Packers. AR also purchased some land there a couple of years ago and Ten does need a QB now that they are getting rid of tannehill. No way Malik Willis is ready
I think he stays in Green Bay..
@vitaflo posted:I'm going bet that if Rodgers is traded whatever we get in draft capital will not make fans happy. I think his trade value is *way* less than people think it is.
Agreed, they waited a year too long and Rodgers was exposed. Adams made a lot of great catches that were missing last season.
@Pikes Peak posted:I also think his whackyness may lower his value a bit. Maybe not a lot but it will be in the mix.
Definitely. How off the rails is this?
<The Packersâ four-time MVP and Super Bowl-winning quarterback told the âPat McAfee Showâ on Tuesday that more than four months of planning will culminate at âthe end of this weekâ with a four-day, four-night darkness retreat in a small home at an undisclosed location.
It is there, Rodgers said, that he will close himself off from the rest of the world â no phone, TV, books, music or anything else â and live in complete darkness. Food will be delivered to him through a slot in the door once a day.>
@vitaflo posted:I think a 2nd this year and a 3rd in 2024 that could turn into a 1st depending on how his new team does (ala Favre trade) is the more likely scenario.
Everyone wants a 1st but I just don't see why any team would give a 1st for a guy who more than likely won't play more than one year. Especially a high 1st like the Raiders have. They could draft a QB with that pick. Jets have been making great draft picks as of late, there's no reason for them to give up theirs either.
The Jets have the 13th pick in the draft and Woody Johnson, who is 75 years old, is on record saying he feels the Jets are a QB away. I think he'd trade that pick in a heartbeat for Rodgers. Most rich guys don't care about money anymore, they care about winning in almost all aspects of life.
@vitaflo posted:Everyone wants a 1st but I just don't see why any team would give a 1st for a guy who more than likely won't play more than one year. Especially a high 1st like the Raiders have. They could draft a QB with that pick. Jets have been making great draft picks as of late, there's no reason for them to give up theirs either.
This is a really great point. However they also picked Wilson at QB. Some teams can't draft QB's to save their lives/jobs. Add in an owner who could override a GM and his scouts and it's all pretty much a wash. It would come down to whether AR is game.
@Pakrz posted:Not picking on you, but I've read this a lot on here. There seems to be some foregone conclusion with some folks that think Jordan Love is that dude. I understand many people on this board only know the Favre and Rodgers eras, but great QBs don't grow on trees. Packer fans that lived through the 70's and 80's know that shit all to well. Hell, we sucked so bad that Majik whipped us all into a frenzy and he wasn't shit.
The reality is that GB will very likely go through several QBs and draft picks before they even sniff their next franchise type QB.
Not at all. And I don't fully disagree with you. I'm just not convinced Love isn't the guy yet.
@Tschmack posted:Another thing to consider is what NFC team will be or has the draft capital and cap space that the Jets and Raiders do?
The Niners donât. Neither do the Saints or Bucs. The Panthers? Perhaps, but thatâs not a plug and play situation like the Raiders or Jets are.
I want him to go to the Raiders because that 7th overall pick is really valuable. Even the Jets 1st rounder is pretty decent. That has to be part of any Rodgers deal.
This is why GB really has to make a move and trade him. If he plays for GB this year the Love ship has sailed and they miss out on getting draft compensation back that can really help them the next 1-3 years.
In some ways, whether Love is good or not, the opportunity to get the best value out of the Love pick has already sailed.
Mahomes did win a Super Bowl on a huge contract, but the real reason to go with a young QB is that you get a 2-3 year window to really optimize your ability to compete when he's on his rookie contract.
You can't expect any QB to be ready to lead a title-contender his first year starting, that's why years 2-4 are the optimal window. The Packers are already past that. I guess the Packers have Love for 20 million next year if they renew the option and that's still good value if he turns out to be good, but they missed the opportunity the last two years to get a starting QB for a 3 million dollar cap hit and be able to use the extra 30-40 million on adding several good veteran free agents.
You can bet everybody in the Jets organization wants Rodgers because he's a huge upgrade and the owner ends up taking full responsibility if it doesn't work out.
@DH13 posted:Not at all. And I don't fully disagree with you. I'm just not convinced Love isn't the guy yet.
Reason #23,030,04 to move on from Rodgers now.
If the Packers indeed decide to trade Rodgers, they get X compensation for him, it would actually make sense not to pick up Love's 5th year option in May 2023 and see what he does as a starter.
If he sucks, the Packers finish say 4-13, they will be primed with a topflight draft pick in '24 and can reset things and go with a new QB.
If he is good? You franchise tag Love for 2024. Yes, you will pay more for the franchise tag vs the 5th year option, but it isn't a ton more. And if you do it this way, you will know Love has proven himself as a starter and you can negotiate a new deal for him.
Verses picking up the 5th year option in May and then, just like with Savage, you are stuck with him and paying him 20 million knowing you have to move on and pick a new QB.
I would hope Gute and the FO goes this way, but not holding my breath
The Packers almost have to play Love this season to find out if they want to extend him. Picking up his 5th year option at $20 million will be hard to do for a guy that hasn't even been a starter. It's almost the identical position they were in with Rodgers when they let Favre go. Rodgers had 7 starts when they saw enough to give him a 6 year extension.
Don't the Packers need to exercise the 5th year option by sometime in May this year?
@PackerRick posted:You can bet everybody in the Jets organization wants Rodgers because he's a huge upgrade and the owner ends up taking full responsibility if it doesn't work out.
The PR people will love it. ESPN may move their NFL show there during training camp if he's there. He'll singlehandedly make the Jets relevant to the national media. The NY media will have a field day. Rodgers isn't really going to be affected that much by the NYC media
Tiki Barber, for what it's worth, yesterday said Rodgers would struggle with the NY media because he's too sensitive.
@PackerRick posted:Tiki Barber, for what it's worth, yesterday said Rodgers would struggle with the NY media because he's too sensitive.
He's sensitive, but how much more invasive could the media be when he's going on McAfee every week and basically revealing everything anyways? The media may bother him, but it's not like it was for Favre who was used to everything getting covered up his whole life before going there.
Rodgers loves the attention and people treating him like he's an expert on everything from reading defenses to spirituality.
The Packers do need to pick up Loves 5th year option in May. I say they take a pass and let him start in 2023 in the final year of his contract. If he's playing good wave a contract in front of him with starter money mid season like they did with Rodgers. Those contracts are mostly guaranteed money and it would be hard for Love to turn down that contract, even if it is friendly for the Packers. Does he gamble that his play drops off and no team views him as a sure starter at the end of the 2023 season? Love really hasn't made much cash in his rookie contract and those numbers might be hard for him to turn down. Or, the Packers could pick up the 5th year and renegotiate a long term deal during the season if Love warrants it. But that contract will cost the Packers much more because Love has better leverage with a guaranteed $20 mil in 2024 already.
I agree, Rodgers would thrive on that attention but I just see him only agreeing to a west coast team. I hope I'm wrong but he likes hanging with those Hollywood celebrities.
@packerboi posted:Reason #23,030,04 to move on from Rodgers now.
If the Packers indeed decide to trade Rodgers, they get X compensation for him, it would actually make sense not to pick up Love's 5th year option in May 2023 and see what he does as a starter.
If he sucks, the Packers finish say 4-13, they will be primed with a topflight draft pick in '24 and can reset things and go with a new QB.
If he is good? You franchise tag Love for 2024. Yes, you will pay more for the franchise tag vs the 5th year option, but it isn't a ton more. And if you do it this way, you will know Love has proven himself as a starter and you can negotiate a new deal for him.
Verses picking up the 5th year option in May and then, just like with Savage, you are stuck with him and paying him 20 million knowing you have to move on and pick a new QB.
I would hope Gute and the FO goes this way, but not holding my breath
Sorry @Boris I'm throwing my vote behind @packerboi for new Packers president!