Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

@PackerRick posted:

The Packers do need to pick up Loves 5th year option in May. I say they take a pass and let him start in 2023 in the final year of his contract. If he's playing good wave a contract in front of him with starter money mid season like they did with Rodgers. Those contracts are mostly guaranteed money and it would be hard for Love to turn down that contract, even if it is friendly for the Packers. Does he gamble that his play drops off and no team views him as a sure starter at the end of the 2023 season? Love really hasn't made much cash in his rookie contract and those numbers might be hard for him to turn down. Or, the Packers could pick up the 5th year and renegotiate a long term deal during the season if Love warrants it. But that contract will cost the Packers much more because Love has better leverage with a guaranteed $20 mil in 2024 already.

But Packers are currently in cap hell, therefore, not picking up his 5th year option and going the franchise tag route may be their only play at this point.

@packerboi posted:

If he sucks, the Packers finish say 4-13, they will be primed with a topflight draft pick in '24 and can reset things and go with a new QB.

If he is good? You franchise tag Love for 2024. Yes, you will pay more for the franchise tag vs the 5th year option, but it isn't a ton more. And if you do it this way, you will know Love has proven himself as a starter and you can negotiate a new deal for him.

Verses picking up the 5th year option in May and then, just like with Savage, you are stuck with him and paying him 20 million knowing you have to move on and pick a new QB.

I would hope Gute and the FO goes this way, but not holding my breath

Great plan from the Packers POV

The challenge lies in the fact that both Rodgers and Love have the same agent and David Dunn isn't going to agree to your team-friendly plan. His client, Jordan, has waited patiently for his chance, not caused any trouble and is deserving of a new deal based on his play. No doubt this was part of their conversations.
Be a good soldier and you'll be rewarded.

I've read a lot of comments from posters that aren't sold on Love. And that makes sense because you haven't seen him in practice, running the scout team, in meetings, game prep etc. The Packers have. They're sold on Love and he will get a new deal from the Packers after the Packers exercise his 5th year option in May to buy some time

And just like in 2008, when the Packers rewarded AR with a fat new contract only a few games into his 1st year starting...Packer fans will howl.

Love is the real deal and his team mates, HC, GM and position coach are all convinced he's a starting NFL QB.  So is Rodgers

If Love wasn't viewed that way at 1265 -  there wouldn't be any drama over keeping Rodgers.

why the thought wed have to move on from Jones if 12 goes?

Loves 5th year option would go against the 2024 cap and I'm hoping the Packers clear our enough dead wood in the next couple months that 2024 won't be cap hell.

@Satori posted:

I've read a lot of comments from posters that aren't sold on Love. And that makes sense because you haven't seen him in practice, running the scout team, in meetings, game prep etc. The Packers have. They're sold on Love and he will get a new deal from the Packers after the Packers exercise his 5th year option in May to buy some time

FWIW, Pete Dougherty was just on local sports radio talking about the Packers and Rodgers/Love. He also reiterated that from what he's heard from the organization, yes, The Packers are very much sold on Love.

In particular, it was year 2 to 3 that the coaches, players, and Gute saw a very different Jordan Love. Much better command, confidence, footwork, etc. Prior to extending Rodgers, in year 1 to 2 with Love, they didn't see that kind of progression. In short, Love made a huge jump they weren't sure he'd make going into Spring of 2022.

Couple that progression with Rodgers contract, this is why there is so much rumors about wanting to move on from AR now.

You would think that the way Rodgers stunk it up at the end of the year over the past three years might have been a factor.

He's not the guy of 2010 who looked a lot like Mahomes has lately. Doing anything he must to WIN.

@packerboi posted:

Couple that progression with Rodgers regression, this is why there is so much rumors about wanting to move on from AR now.

Needed a little edit...

Love doesn't have to be Rodgers in his prime to win ball games. If he's marginally better than Brock Purdy, that is plenty good enough. The onus is on the front office to surround him with the talent to where he doesn't have to be super human.

If they move on from Rodgers, they need to try and go get DeAndre Hopkins or Robert Woods, draft a competent slot guy and TE of the future. 33 is as good as Christian McCaffrey...Watson if he continues his trajectory and doesn't get hurt is better than any outside WR the Niners have...pair him with a veteran upgrade (Hopkins or Woods) and bring back Tonyan on a 1-year deal.

If you roll out virtually the same weapons in 2023 as you had in 2022 plus a couple rookies, I don't see many more wins than 8 or 9. Bitch all you want about 12 being over the hill...in 2021 and 2022 he and 17 propped this team up. They put a lot of deodorant on smelly drafts. It's time to start upgrading the offense.

Reason # 23,030,05 to move on from Rodgers. The Packers not only need to evaluate Love, but also MLF's offense without Rodgers. May be a new coach on the horizon in a couple of years.

@Chongo posted:

If they move on from Rodgers, they need to try and go get DeAndre Hopkins or Robert Woods,

I really like the concept of a vet WR, but it seems like these guys are way too expensive. Both are under contract for 2023 for pretty big $$

Hopkins probably isn't tying the end of his career to an unproven QB who plays in the frozen tundra. I'm guessing Hopkins will play someplace warm and wealthy; the Packers are neither in 2023.

https://overthecap.com/player/deandre-hopkins/2208

https://overthecap.com/player/robert-woods/2428

Gotta find a bargain vet, wondering if MT has anything left in the tank.
He only has small salary left for the acquiring team, but its a big hit for N.O.

https://overthecap.com/player/michael-thomas/4760

@YATittle posted:

You would think that the way Rodgers stunk it up at the end of the year over the past three years might have been a factor.

He's not the guy of 2010 who looked a lot like Mahomes has lately. Doing anything he must to WIN.

Yep, he's not the same player and I also believe the Packers are just tired of the act. Rodgers is 39 years old. How many of the players on that team are 15 years younger than him and are probably more in the Love camp? There's a reason why Rodgers wants to hang on to his aging buddies. I know a team is a team but most of these guys probably never see Rodgers anywhere but at Lambeau. Half the team is probably scared shitless of making a mistake.

@Chongo posted:

If you roll out virtually the same weapons in 2023 as you had in 2022 plus a couple rookies, I don't see many more wins than 8 or 9. Bitch all you want about 12 being over the hill...in 2021 and 2022 he and 17 propped this team up. They put a lot of deodorant on smelly drafts. It's time to start upgrading the offense.

Can't disagree with that. If/when the Packers have the cap room by moving on from AR, I would think Gute would do in FA on offense what he did on defense by bringing in some proven FA's to help (Amos and Smith bro's) in 2024/2025.

Imagine acquiring a proven player like Dallas Goedert and Jakobi Meyers if GB had the cap room to do it and give Love instant upgrades like that. No need to wait for those guys to develop, they are already there. A couple additions like can transform an offense in an instant.

@Chongo posted:

Love doesn't have to be Rodgers in his prime to win ball games. If he's marginally better than Brock Purdy, that is plenty good enough. The onus is on the front office to surround him with the talent to where he doesn't have to be super human.

I think if the Packers had traded Rodgers to Denver last season and got the haul Seattle got a lot of that would have been taken care of. It's overwhelming what they got.

@Satori posted:

I really like the concept of a vet WR, but it seems like these guys are way too expensive. Both are under contract for 2023 for pretty big $$

Hopkins probably isn't tying the end of his career to an unproven QB who plays in the frozen tundra. I'm guessing Hopkins will play someplace warm and wealthy; the Packers are neither in 2023.

https://overthecap.com/player/deandre-hopkins/2208

https://overthecap.com/player/robert-woods/2428

Gotta find a bargain vet, wondering if MT has anything left in the tank.
He only has small salary left for the acquiring team, but its a big hit for N.O.

https://overthecap.com/player/michael-thomas/4760

There are ways to do it...Philly went and signed a bunch of one-year vets to prove-it salaries. The downside for Philly is most of those guys proved it, and they will be moving on.

Not saying that is what the Packers should do, but Hopkins wants out of Arizona...what it's going to come down to is what teams are willing to trade for him. Would probably cost the Packers a 2nd round pick...I'm guess most teams don't want to spend that...so a "warm climate," may not be in the cards.

But that said, what I think the Packers "should do," and what they actually do are usually on polar opposites.

No matter who QB1 is, I don't think the Packers are going to make a splash in the FA market. They will bring back players they can afford, let others go, and then build through the draft. If there is a time to suck, it's the next year or two Murphy isn't going anywhere till 2025, Gurt and MLF signed extensions. If you suck now, and build up a draft cache, get the cap situation healthy again, and show glimmers of Super Bowl potential by the end of 2024, then maybe you get a new life under the new president.

And maybe you catch lightning in a bottle and stun some people by making a deep run into the playoffs in 2023. It can happen...look how quickly Philly turned it around.

If Jenkins and Bakh are both healthy enough to play to start next season, their offense will look a lot better no matter who the QB is. That's two elite players that were either subpar as they returned from injury or missed some games because of bad luck (an appendectomy).

They need a TE on offense badly, but what they really need is a stud pass rusher. When Gary went down, so did most of their pass rush. They aren't a threat to win a playoff game without upgrading at edge rusher, especially since Gary isn't likely to be fully recovered until well into the season.

@MichiganPacker posted:

If Jenkins and Bakh are both healthy enough to play to start next season, their offense will look a lot better no matter who the QB is. That's two elite players that were either subpar as they returned from injury or missed some games because of bad luck (an appendectomy).

They need a TE on offense badly, but what they really need is a stud pass rusher. When Gary went down, so did most of their pass rush. They aren't a threat to win a playoff game without upgrading at edge rusher, especially since Gary isn't likely to be fully recovered until well into the season.

If Bakh didn't have bad luck he'd have no luck at all. Dude has had a careers worth of setbacks in 24 months. Hope he's over that hump.

Don't rule out Enegbare...dude impressed the hell out of me in Gary's absence.

We will draft an edge rusher in the first three rounds...always need one or two in the development pipeline.

@Tschmack posted:

Another thing to consider is what NFC team will be or has the draft capital and cap space that the Jets and Raiders do?  

The Niners don’t.  Neither do the Saints or Bucs.  The Panthers?  Perhaps, but that’s not a plug and play situation like the Raiders or Jets are.  

I want him to go to the Raiders because that 7th overall pick is really valuable.  Even the Jets 1st rounder is pretty decent. That has to be part of any Rodgers deal.

This is why GB really has to make a move and trade him.   If he plays for GB this year the Love ship has sailed and they miss out on getting draft compensation back that can really help them the next 1-3 years.

Looks like the Bears have the most cap room followed by the Falcons.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com...mpact-chicago-bears/

@Floridarob posted:

I believe the Titans are a viable alternative for AR. AR seems to like Vrable and they have a pretty good defense and a great Rb. Not sure if their WRs are any better than the Packers. AR also purchased some land there a couple of years ago and Ten does need a QB now that they are getting rid of tannehill. No way Malik Willis is ready

Negative cap room for the Titans.

https://sportsnaut.com/2023-nfl-salary-cap-tracker/.

@Chongo posted:

Sorry @Boris I'm throwing my vote behind @packerboi for new Packers president!

In the immortal words of a Red Sox fan. TRADER.

@packerboi posted:

In particular, it was year 2 to 3 that the coaches, players, and Gute saw a very different Jordan Love. Much better command, confidence, footwork, etc.

What Phil Simms saw from AR. He saw nothing to excite him in AR's first two camps, then WOW! He said in AR's 3rd camp.

Da Bears have da money. What would they give for AR?

@D J posted:

Da Bears have da money. What would they give for AR?

Ask the owner

@packerboi posted:

Can't disagree with that. If/when the Packers have the cap room by moving on from AR, I would think Gute would do in FA on offense what he did on defense by bringing in some proven FA's to help (Amos and Smith bro's) in 2024/2025.

Imagine acquiring a proven player like Dallas Goedert and Jakobi Meyers if GB had the cap room to do it and give Love instant upgrades like that. No need to wait for those guys to develop, they are already there. A couple additions like can transform an offense in an instant.

Imagine if you will.If we had cap room.

@DH13 posted:

Though anyone who hasn't experienced it will probably chortle, sensory deprivation is trippy stuff.

As a physics major I had access to a blackout room that was used for laser and optics experiments.  When you shut the door and you shut off all lights, it was absolutely pitch black.  You could not see your hand in front of your face.  You lose sense of up and down and any depth, very disorienting.  It's easy to lose sense of time too.   I was fully sober when I went in there and shut everything down and lasted maybe a minute before I got too freaked out and left.   It was nearly sound proof too which probably compounded the experience.

Very true, but most NFL QBs (or players, in general) make it more akin to putting Zaphod Beeblebrox in the Total Perspective Vortex.

@Chongo posted:

Love doesn't have to be Rodgers in his prime to win ball games. If he's marginally better than Brock Purdy, that is plenty good enough.

Purdy was better than 12 in 2022. I think some folks are in denial about how bad 12 was last year.

@Goalline posted:

Purdy was better than 12 in 2022. I think some folks are in denial about how bad 12 was last year.

And some people are in denial about how shitty the OL was until 69 and 74 got fully healthy, and how poor WR/TE play was until Watson got healthy.

Plenty of blame to go around.

@Chongo posted:

.They put a lot of deodorant on smelly drafts.

This is AR's new branding motto.

"Putting deodorant on smelly drafts since 2008." 

Someone needs to send him a tshirt.

He probably uses patchouli instead of regular deodorant now anyway.

@Chongo posted:

And some people are in denial about how shitty the OL was until 69 and 74 got fully healthy, and how poor WR/TE play was until Watson got healthy.

Plenty of blame to go around.

Making excuses for the guy set to make $60 million this year? Not me.

@Pikes Peak posted:

Ask the owner

Got him on speed dial; he's all in for AR.

Holy Crap.

This is the most famous appearance that I've ever deliberated

from 2016 to 2023 is long enough to be a 7 year itch

@Goalline posted:

Purdy was better than 12 in 2022. I think some folks are in denial about how bad 12 was last year.

Dunno if I'd go that far, but Rodgers did look *old*.  When Love came into the game vs the Eagles the first thing I noticed was how quick Love was and how much more velocity he had on his throws than AR did.

Even watching a clip recently of AR throwing a TD to Adams from several years ago, I was struck by just how much faster AR used to play.

@D J posted:

Got him on speed dial; he's all in for AR.

Speed dial? Okay, boomer.

@vitaflo posted:

Dunno if I'd go that far, but Rodgers did look *old*.  When Love came into the game vs the Eagles the first thing I noticed was how quick Love was and how much more velocity he had on his throws than AR did.

Even watching a clip recently of AR throwing a TD to Adams from several years ago, I was struck by just how much faster AR used to play.

He was not good last year and the shitty play started before the thumb injury . It was shocking how much better Love looked when he got in. It doesn’t mean Love will be good, but it does show Rodgers was bad.

So when does the Prince of Darkness reappear

@Iowacheese posted:

So when does the Prince of Darkness reappear

@Iowacheese posted:

So when does the Prince of Darkness reappear

When the bottle of ghee is empty...

Rule #1...we do not talk about Ghee Club.