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@mrtundra posted:It could also mean that MLF's game plan, under Rodgers, was dictated by Rodgers. After the big contract Rodgers received, he had more control over what went on. Love won't have that control and MLF can be free to run that team, his way. We may actually see passes thrown to open receivers(less hero ball), the ball being run more often, which will take the heat off Love, protection wise.
Another thing, how is Purdy, after his arm injury? Maybe Rodgers will go to SF, as it was always his dream destination, before he turned pro.
Besides the Purdy situation the 49ers have a major investment in Trey Lance. I don't see the Niners having any interest in Rodgers unless there is minimal compensation.
@Herschel posted:No, no, no, the whole issue was Rodgers not holding manscaping parties with the rookies at OTAs. Nothing builds cohesion and trust like holding razor blades next to each other's junk.
How else could Vince Lombardi have built those champioship Packers teams. Horning, Nitschke, Gregg, McGee in the morning, those guys knew their way around a strop.
Nobody said Rodgers skipping OTAs was the sole reason for the Packers downfall. Nobody said Rodgers needed to hang out every night with the rookies. But it is an opportunity to develop team unity. Maybe they should cancel OTAs altogether if they have no value.
@PackerRick posted:Besides the Purdy situation the 49ers have a major investment in Trey Lance. I don't see the Niners having any interest in Rodgers unless there is minimal compensation.
I don't see that happening either and had honestly forgotten about Trey Lance. The 49ers don't have a ton of draft capital to make it happen. Just my opinion but I think if they make a move at QB they will just bring Jimmy G back they have won with him before.
@Pikes Peak posted:Not sure socializing was what was needed. Perhaps he could have taken the initiative to invite the young guys over to his estate, asked them to bring some of their tapes, went thru them together discussed what they were good at, what they needed to work on and how their game fit his game. This could have been done over a couple of hours and a couple of pizzas.
Would it have made a difference? Maybe, maybe not but I guess the rooks would have felt special and may have helped in establishing a relationship.
I don't think Rodgers really had to socialize with the rookies as much as just be there. It sends the wrong message by not being there. Would it make a difference in the W/L column? No. Could it make an impression on a rookie how to be a professional when a player of Rodgers' stature shows that type of dedication? Possibly, certainly can't hurt.
@mrtundra posted:It could also mean that MLF's game plan, under Rodgers, was dictated by Rodgers. After the big contract Rodgers received, he had more control over what went on.
Not just on the field. They brought Lewis back cuz Rodgers wanted him. They brought in Cobb cuz he wanted him. They brought in Clements to be his coach cuz he wanted him. That on top of the contract.
I could see a player getting a big head after all that. Especially after AR complained he didn't get a say in things like Kumerow getting cut. Well now he had a say. He was probably assuming he was the assistant GM and coach at that point.
@ammo posted:I just look at Mahomes having all his new WR down in Texas working with them on his own. And what was AR doing? Back packing and chomping on mushrooms.
The ironic thing about this comment is that on the winning TD in the SB, both of the WRs lined up in the wrong formation.
Not sure how much the Texas work actually helped if they are still fucking up in February. 
I’ve seen some articles the past few days about the Packers wanting to move on from Rodgers. My only concern, does Rodgers get pissed at seeing all these articles and then decides to make it difficult on the Pack to get any compensation for him?
I saw David Carr do that to the Raiders and I just wonder if Rodgers tries to pull a similar stunt.
@fightphoe93 posted:I saw David Carr do that to the Raiders and I just wonder if Rodgers tries to pull a similar stunt.
Raiders did it to themselves with Carr's contract
Carr had a little better leverage than Rodgers. He had a $40 million roster bonus that was payable last Wednesday if he was on the roster. NO wanted to redo his contract when Carr was allowed to negotiate his own trade with them. So he makes more money forcing the release and hitting the market. I truly think the FO is done with Rodgers so he won't be the starting QB in GB. He'll never come back to GB as a backup. The Packers really don't have to release him if he just decides to not play in GB, he won't get paid. By refusing trades his career could be over. Since he only has a year or two left he really doesn't have time to hold the Packers hostage.
@Floridarob posted:It must be wierd to be a guy in his late 30s socializing with kids in their early 20s. Different generations. Mahomes is just a few years older than his teamates. Let's see what he does when he is in his late 30s and all his friends are retired.
It's not fair to compare 12's off season to Mahomes. It is fair to compare him to the age 39 seasons of Brady and Manning. They both won a Super Bowl. Manning held his passing camp at Duke like he did most every off-season. Brady had private workouts with his WRs in FLA and let Antonio Brown live with him that season in pursuit of a championship.
@michiganjoe posted:Agree with Dunne that the fear of moving on has been present in the Packer organization (really the only explanation for the horrible contract they gave AR). Also agree that nothing is guaranteed with Love but that doesn't make moving on the wrong decision.
Packer organization will just be compounding the mistake they made last year by sticking with AR and hopefully McGinn is correct.
Reminds me of something Lombardi said back then. Better a year to early than a year to late. Did Vince say anything about 2 years too late?
I don't check in for one day and there are three more pages on Rodgers. Let's be honest. None of you can quit him.
I can’t quit herpes either.
@Pikes Peak posted:Not sure socializing was what was needed. Perhaps he could have taken the initiative to invite the young guys over to his estate, asked them to bring some of their tapes, went thru them together discussed what they were good at, what they needed to work on and how their game fit his game.
Yeah, but if he had said that rather than some snide comment about manscaping we may have taken him seriously. Who wants that?
I never take him seriously. Especially draft takes.
@GBFanForLife posted:Raiders did it to themselves with Carr's contract
McDaniel never really wanted Carr so they gave him a prove it contract. They sat him the final 2 games to prevent injury and it was a very favorable contract for the Raiders to get out of. They have the cap room to do what they want.
@packerboi posted:@AaronNagler"At one point late last year, Green Bay Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst told an NFL colleague he was convinced it was time the organization move on from quarterback Aaron Rodgers and see what Jordan Love had in him."
I'll believe Silvertein a bit more on this than McGinn or Dunne. No "I think's" here, just relaying info he's heard. Yes it's still telephone tag, but at least Silverstein is a current beat writer for the Packers with connections, and (IMO) is one of the only guys to actually ask interesting questions at pressers.
@Goalline posted:Yeah, but if he had said that rather than some snide comment about manscaping we may have taken him seriously. Who wants that?
It's been said, by myself and others. OTAs aren't for Rodgers to be sticking his nose in to the rookie WR room. It's repetitive technique refinement and basic fundamental WR stuff. It's the WR coach's job at that point.
The offense is really installed in training camp. That's where how the receivers and quarterbacks set up and read things comes in to play. Hopefully basic footwork, hand placement and similar habits are intilled in OTAs so when they work on the offense in training camp, the fundamentals are in place to let them just deal with learning the offense.
Simplified example: A 7/Corner route as part of a play
In OTAs they'll work on the footwork, body motion and the basics of a corner route so when they get to training camp, they know how to run the route as needed against a pro defender and how to adjust.
In Training camp, how that route fits within a play and when and why to adjust within the play vs coverage are installed. Maybe the slot is running an 8/Post or a 6/Dig to try and draw the safety inside. If you read a cover 2 or a cover 1, the safety is in a different position and you likely need to adjust your angle, etc.
If the footwork is established habit from the OTAs then, "all" the receiver has to do is read and adjust to what he sees, making him play faster and more efficiently.
It's no different in that aspect from other sports, or many jobs even. Training and functions are compartmentalized in order to build upon skills and knowledge. Once the basic skills are added, applying them to the job at hand is them implemented.
@PackerRick posted:McDaniel never really wanted Carr so they gave him a prove it contract. They sat him the final 2 games to prevent injury and it was a very favorable contract for the Raiders to get out of. They have the cap room to do what they want.
So Carr didn't hold them hostage like was stated. They had to cut him so they weren't obligated to pay
Exactly. They wanted to trade him and get something but if NO wanted to cut his salary and not honor the $40 mil roster bonus why would he help the Raiders out? Now he could take the same deal NO offered and have a better team just because there is no compensation? Why would he help the Raiders after the way they treated him? He is the reason Adams is with the Raiders. He is meeting with the Jets this weekend. I seriously doubt the McDaniel wants Rodgers either. Some speculation is they move up from pick #7 to get a QB of the future and find a stopgap for a year. Jimmy G kind of fits that mold.
Buenos Deos Amigos. Good to see as time goes on somethings never change.
Wanted to ask how everyone is doing especially in this Darkest Hour in Packer history? I know it has been clearing for me just knowing #12 is with himself and his distant relative our Lord and Savior. I look forward to finding out what dots he's connected through this experience as well as our Packer brass and fans. Who would be so wise to use darkness to enlighten so many?
In a similar vein I am in Padre this winter solo as Sarge is home with her Mom who is heading for the finish line. As my life coach for the past 50 years she worried even before I left what might happen to me without her. So far it has been okay but am worried that I found time to stop in here.
Have a great day and above all R-E-L-A-X as we witness possibly #12's final 2 minute drive.
@Herschel posted:It's been said, by myself and others. OTAs aren't for Rodgers to be sticking his nose in to the rookie WR room. It's repetitive technique refinement and basic fundamental WR stuff. It's the WR coach's job at that point.
The offense is really installed in training camp. That's where how the receivers and quarterbacks set up and read things comes in to play. Hopefully basic footwork, hand placement and similar habits are intilled in OTAs so when they work on the offense in training camp, the fundamentals are in place to let them just deal with learning the offense.
Simplified example: A 7/Corner route as part of a play
In OTAs they'll work on the footwork, body motion and the basics of a corner route so when they get to training camp, they know how to run the route as needed against a pro defender and how to adjust.
In Training camp, how that route fits within a play and when and why to adjust within the play vs coverage are installed. Maybe the slot is running an 8/Post or a 6/Dig to try and draw the safety inside. If you read a cover 2 or a cover 1, the safety is in a different position and you likely need to adjust your angle, etc.
If the footwork is established habit from the OTAs then, "all" the receiver has to do is read and adjust to what he sees, making him play faster and more efficiently.
It's no different in that aspect from other sports, or many jobs even. Training and functions are compartmentalized in order to build upon skills and knowledge. Once the basic skills are added, applying them to the job at hand is them implemented.
See what happens when you use that big brain instead of devolving into dropping lame, snide comments. I actually think you have some good points here. Enough to make me drop coming at 12 for his off season noncompliance.
Good stuff Ratpack!
BTW, who’s Ratpack?
Is today the day he emerges or are we still gonna be in the dark?
@Blair Kiel posted:Good stuff Ratpack!
BTW, who’s Ratpack?
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@Packiderm posted:Is today the day he emerges or are we still gonna be in the dark?
If he doesn't see his shadow is he going back into darkness for 6 weeks?
@Packiderm posted:Is today the day he emerges or are we still gonna be in the dark?
I don't think we know when he went in.
Thursday or Friday?
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From the wayyyyyback machine. For your Sunday reading
McGinn on Favre's departure, from 2008
"It’s time to go
Packers finally tell Favre that he’s not wanted
When Favre drove out of Lambeau Field, in all probability never to wear the No. 4 jersey again that was front and center in one of the most amazing reclamation projects in National Football League history.
Parting company with any legendary athlete is next to impossible, but one with apparent usefulness is impossible. The Packers found themselves caught in a public-relations vice, trying to distance themselves from an all-time great who just wouldn't go away.
Several times over the years, Brett Favre would ponder his future in football and tell people that he would play "until the Packers don't want me anymore."
Underneath all the twists and turns, sources and stories, interviews and indignities, was one salient fact that never changed:
Favre wasn't wanted in Green Bay.
It took Favre almost seven months to figure it out, but figure it out he finally did Tuesday when Mike McCarthy at last gave it to him straight.
From a purely football perspective, the organizational shift against Favre began that November night in Dallas, gained steam in the arctic cold of Soldier Field and became a blaze during Favre's pathetic second-half showing against the New York Giants with a Super Bowl there for the taking.
Just about everyone who counted in the football department reached the conclusion that Favre could never win another championship. His dismal playoff record in the past decade couldn't be overlooked. And the Packers concluded that it would be the mother of all mistakes if Aaron Rodgers got away without being properly evaluated as a starter.
Favre had one chance, and one chance only, to salvage his career in Green Bay. He had to commit wholeheartedly for another season by early March.
One could argue that the Packers erred by asking Favre for an answer that early. But having been hung out to dry by Favre too often in the past, they were in no mood for drama. Their days of mollycoddling were over.
The Packers would have taken back Favre as the starter, albeit reluctantly, if he had acted like any other player and not some diva. That is, show up for work in late March, practice until mid-June and be in exceptional condition by July 28.
That's never too much to expect.
Once Favre tearfully retired, the die was cast. The singular comment made by Favre on March 6 that remains etched indelibly was his admission that he really didn't want the ball in the clutch anymore.
After that, the Packers cut the cord, and rightly so. Favre had come across to most as an emotionally spent 38-year-old with nothing left athletically that he cared to give.
Shortly after the draft, Mike McCarthy basically told his players that he was in charge of this team, not Favre, and that it was critical to rally around Rodgers. Then Rodgers began inviting players to his home. To McCarthy, the off-season is absolutely crucial, and with his entire being he anointed Rodgers.
No matter what Favre might have tried after March 6, he couldn't have turned the tide.
When Favre made overtures in late March about a return, the Packers felt compelled to go meet with him even though in reality they had little or no interest.
In late June, when Favre phoned McCarthy to tell him he might play, the Packers probably were dying inside.
And then came the last month, with Favre formally asking for his release, finally submitting his letter for reinstatement and then flying to Green Bay on Sunday night.
The Packers blame themselves for making some communication gaffes along the way, which they did. They gave away their motives by announcing plans far too early to retire Favre's jersey and to send him his locker. Ted Thompson hid behind too many no-comments.
But when the endgame is to remove a legend, there is no smooth way of doing it.
Favre went on to risk his future as a heroic figure in the state for perpetuity by his actions last month. All but calling Thompson a liar. Revealing intimate details of conversations with Thompson and McCarthy. Selling out offensive line coach James Campen after he went out of his way to help his old pal.
During one interview, Favre criticized Thompson for not interviewing his buddy, Steve Mariucci, for the job that went to McCarthy. After the horrendous job that Mariucci did in Detroit, Thompson would have been roasted for even considering Mariucci, let alone hiring him.
Those were just a few examples of Favre operating almost in a delusional state, hearing only what he wanted to hear and acting as if he was larger than the team.
Some would say, in fact some are saying, that the Packers would be nothing and will be nothing without Favre.
Nevertheless, this was the proper time to determine if that's true by going with one of several young men over one old man. McCarthy's expertise is in quarterback play. His future, as well as Thompson's, will hinge on developing the three quarterbacks on the roster. Failing that, they must quickly find another one who can play.
Last winter, the Packers began talks with Favre about giving him at least $20 million over 10 years in exchange for shaking some hands and making a few appearances. How can a $20 million golden parachute be construed as bribery?
It was a creative step by the organization to present Favre with an honorable go-away present, but in the end became just another decision that poisoned Favre's attitude toward the club.
Against this wholly expected backdrop of ugliness, the Packers will try to get something for Favre in trade. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been interested all along, but is Favre?
If Tampa Bay stays with Jeff Garcia, the Packers might well follow up on the feeler that they sent out Friday to the Minnesota Vikings.
As for Rodgers, he needs to shape up. After a promising first three days, he had relatively bad practices Friday, Saturday and Monday sandwiched around a subpar scrimmage Sunday.
Yes, it has been an untenable situation for Rodgers. OK, so what? Now it's time for Rodgers to start performing at the level that McCarthy keeps saying that he will. There's little else but McCarthy's track record to vouch for Rodgers at this point.
Speculation that the Packers might make it an open competition between Rodgers and Favre was a farce. The club floated that idea to promote trade value as well as to placate players, fans and coaches in the unlikely event that Favre got on the practice field.
If the job had been opened to Favre, it would have meant just one thing: McCarthy had lost faith in Rodgers after the first week.
The Packers, just like every other team in the NFC North, hope to win by rushing the ball and playing defense this season.
One week after the Giants loss, it was written here that Thompson's off-season agenda contained three major items: what to do about Favre, defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and the zone run game.
Green Bay made its preferred change on the first item, remaining status quo on the other two. Sanders and the run game had better be dynamic because the quarterbacking probably won't be nearly as good as it was in 2007, when an all-time great had a very good year.
The Packers went with the odds saying Favre never would play that well again. Now they need Rodgers to pull his weight for what has the makings almost everywhere else of being another top team"
I see 5 brothers.
@Satori posted:.
From the wayyyyyback machine. For your Sunday reading
McGinn on Favre's departure, from 2008
"It’s time to go
Packers finally tell Favre that he’s not wanted
Could have been written this week, just change the names. And the FO has to have some guts if they don't want Rodgers and just tell him.