@titmfatied posted:

This dude never once in all his career left money on the table to help the franchise surround him with talent or keep talent on the team. We pay attention too. If he shows up for off season work outs send him home. “They're digging their heels in..." yeah you half-in pain in the ass. They want what you're worth that you didn't put in when we paid you last year.

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Why  should he "leave money on the table"?  This is their career, this isn't a charity.  The league chews up and spits out guys as disposable. Why the fuck would they "leave money on the table"? Teams sure don't.

And we've seen numerous times how this "poverty" franchise actually can have money to work with under the cap, they chose not to. They chose not to spend to push for championships while having a Hall of Fame QB, not him. Blaming Rodgers for a lack of talent or crappy coaches around him is ridiculous.

The lack of talent the past season was because of Rodgers sucking up all the money.  And in the last game of the season, a game to get into the playoffs, he sucked some more.

Except that's bullshit, as has been shown by other teams repeatedly and even the Packers already this offseason.

@D J posted:

You just answered in the affirmative as to why it will be more than "any other" in your next sentence.

Fans after those 30 years have high expectations, and it could get ugly for Love if he plays poorly.

No. I didn't at all.  I clearly explained why they shouldn't.  You on the other hand I can't help.

Half this board wanted to give him away just to get him away a week ago.  Maybe I’m too self loathing, but fuck the jets.  If they aren’t willing to pay, the contract is an albatross either way, keep him around and trade him in august.  Jets are either in it to win it or they aren’t and their fan base knows it

@Herschel posted:

Except that's bullshit, as has been shown by other teams repeatedly and even the Packers already this offseason.

Oh sure. The Packers have signed so many FA this week. And why haven't they improved the TE position, edge rusher and safety, because Rodgers is still sucking up lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.  Even tho he won't be a Packer this season.

@PackerRick posted:

Woodie inherited his money, nobody said he was smart. The #13 pick in the draft is unlikely to have much impact for the Jets this season and if they're pursuing Rodgers they are in the win now mode.

OL is a position where you can get value/production as a rookie if that guy is capable.  And the Jets need OL help.

He's welcome to fight for every last cent, but he shouldn't complain about how the Packers are "digging their heels in" and it's time to "do right by" the aging face of the franchise. Same. Exact. Principal. He always got his maximum value and now the Packers are trying to do the same.

I watched that Francesa video. It's no wonder that folks prank called that douchecanoe on his show all the time!

@Herschel posted:

Or maybe the fact Philly had a big lead and went to playing a soft defense had something to do with that.

Yeah. Let's not start sucking each other's dicks already with Love. That was mop up.

@The Heckler posted:

That is what still stings from that game for me.  You all know how much I piss and moan about the Packers defense.  The defense finally shows up in the playoffs and sure enough the offense does not and the STs craps the bed.

I think we all knew deep down that ST was going to kill GB at some point that year. Just sucked ass that it happened to be in a playoff game.

I'm of the opinion the quicker GB can finish the trade the better. Love doesn't need this shit or AR hanging over him. He needs to be 100% focused on moving forward as the starter. It's human nature for it to be a distraction.

I'll nix if this was posted. It's a long read, but a rather interesting one.

Rodgers has frequently complained about the processes in Green Bay and the lack of context in the media. But his own side of the story shows that not all narrators are reliable.

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But for all Rodgers’s asserting, his gradual, excruciating, public fallout with the Packers tells a different story. A story of a player who is offended, and does feel like a victim—at times, rightfully. A story of a player who preaches transparency but thrives in opacity—at times, of his own devising.

Rodgers has ordained himself the narrator of this story—unsurprisingly so. Narrators control the story, directing focus and capturing attention, underscoring some details and brushing others aside. What Rodgers would have us forget is that for all his pleas for transparency, not all narrators are reliable. Rodgers claims to want clarity. What he really wants is control.

As we look back on the long and messy divorce of Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, then, we see two stories. One is the narrative that Rodgers spins for us, the self-proclaimed elucidator, the bringer of facts, Honest Aaron. The second is the narrative beneath, the What Really Happened (as best as we can see it), pieced together from the remnants left behind.

Aaron Rodgers Said He Wanted Clarity. What He Really Wanted Is Control. - The Ringer

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

Half this board wanted to give him away just to get him away a week ago.  Maybe I’m too self loathing, but fuck the jets.  If they aren’t willing to pay, the contract is an albatross either way, keep him around and trade him in august.  Jets are either in it to win it or they aren’t and their fan base knows it

I see what you did there.

I think he is trying to make it personal

Rodgers can’t have it both ways.  He can’t basically throw the GM under the bus and force a brand new extension and make a bunch of demands and conditions like adding guys like Cobb but then get all pissy when the Packers want to be deliberate and hold the line on trade compensation.

He went on McAfee’s show and said in so many words he wouldn’t return to GB.  He said that, not Murphy or Gute or anyone else.   That’s on him.  In retrospect, he should have kept his mouth shut but he couldn’t help himself.  He has to control the narrative.

I respect everything he’s done for the Packers but at much as he wants to blame the FO he and the Jets need to take some responsibility here as well.   The Jets should have had a framework deal agreed upon before going to visit him in California.  If not, then they are complete idiots especially knowing there is no plan B for them.  

I applaud Gute and the FO because they aren’t chasing headlines or trying to point fingers.  This is business.  

As for it being a distraction for Love, what’s it’s been like the last two off seasons?   If anything, this should be less of a distraction because Love knows he’s the guy now.  Sure, you can what if Rodgers coming back to GB but that’s not happening.  Woody Johnson will never let this deal not happen.   Both sides are posturing a bit, but in the end the Jets need this trade to go through otherwise they will be the laughingstock of the league for the next decade.  

My guess is they will agree on compensation in the next 2 weeks and will include an unconditional 1 this year  and a a conditional pick in 2024 or 2025 something like a 3 that can become a 2 or even a 1 depending on if he plays in 2024 and/or well the Jets perform.  There may also be a pick swap component.   So maybe it’s the Jets 1 this year, but if Rodgers only plays in 2023 then the Jets get back the Packers 3 or something like that in 2024 or 2025.

I think GB's executives are handling this properly.  How many times do we have to remind ourselves that football is a high-dollar business?  12 is a commodity in the business of football with a market value established by the team that owns his rights.  GB doesn't need him any longer but the Jets desperately do based on how they have shaped their off season so far.  

Stick to your guns men.  

@Iowacheese posted:

I think he is trying to make it personal

A lot of people who compete in sports are that way.

Whatever gets you hard I guess...

When did soccer or self loathing become sports.  If they indeed are.  I know two people that are on top of their game. 

If I hate soccer, is that self-loathing?

None of the rumors I've heard as to what the Packers are asking for are out of line.

The most egregious I've heard is this year's #1 and a conditional #1 next year if 12 makes their roster. So if he hangs it up after 2023, it costs them a first.

I've heard the Jets are basically offering a 2nd and a conditional 4th if he plays next year for them. A 1st and a 4th is a more reasonable comprimise.

They can keep their fucking 2nd rate players they "are willing" to deal to us. Sorry...Corey Davis is basically Allen Lazard. They can keep him or release him.

As far as I'm concerned I'd rather get nothing than give 12 away. Packers have until Sept 1 to do what they want to do with him. Pressure is all on the Jets.

Go pay a King's ransom for Lamar. Go get Carson Wentz or Marcus Mariota and see how your fans like that. Or roll with your, to date, wasted 1st rounder Zach Wilson.

Clowns

Eagles signed Mariota.  One less for the Jets.

@Chongo posted:

They can keep their fucking 2nd rate players they "are willing" to deal to us. Sorry...Corey Davis is basically Allen Lazard. They can keep him or release him.

I don't think taking on Corey Davis is terrible if it still gets us the picks and gets this done.  He has one year left on his contract at 10 million.  Basically a prove it deal.  If they want to get some perceived value for him instead of releasing him.

Lazard just signed a 4 year gig which is basically a 2 year contract for 22 million. 

Would you trade Lazard for Davis?  I would, based on those contracts.  Plus we will be getting a comp pick for Lazard. 

Let them "throw in" Davis as a feel good for them.  He would have much to prove in his year here.   And if he does prove it - all the better we either sign him or he leaves us in free agency and we get another comp pick

DFH

I want this years first, anything above that is gravy.  

Been through many contract negotiations in my line of work, including 1st chair several times, so know a little bit about leverage and how it works in trying to reach agreement.

Short of a case of Busch Light Apple.  Here is how it gets done.

Switch places in R1  Trade value chart shows those two spots we gain as a high 4th rounder - maybe late 3rd.  Lets call it a R4 because we know how R3's turn out with Gute

Jets 2023 R2 and R3 (we will be trading this R3 to move up for someone in R2 so it will not carry the R3 jinx). 

Jets 2024 R2 that can become R1 based on how well Arod - Jets do in 2023

Take on Corey Davis. 

DFH

@Herschel posted:

Why  should he "leave money on the table"?  This is their career, this isn't a charity.  The league chews up and spits out guys as disposable. Why the fuck would they "leave money on the table"? Teams sure don't.

And we've seen numerous times how this "poverty" franchise actually can have money to work with under the cap, they chose not to. They chose not to spend to push for championships while having a Hall of Fame QB, not him. Blaming Rodgers for a lack of talent or crappy coaches around him is ridiculous.

Seriously. For all the doubachery that comes with Kaaron, he's carried this team on his back many years.

@Tschmack posted:

Rodgers can’t have it both ways.  He can’t basically throw the GM under the bus and force a brand new extension and make a bunch of demands and conditions like adding guys like Cobb but then get all pissy when the Packers want to be deliberate and hold the line on trade compensation.

This is the main thing that irritates me about Rodgers.  He complains about being disrespected, but that's what the fucking money was for.  They paid you $150m.  Quit the whining about the FO hurting your fragile ego.

@Chongo posted:

None of the rumors I've heard as to what the Packers are asking for are out of line.

The most egregious I've heard is this year's #1 and a conditional #1 next year if 12 makes their roster. So if he hangs it up after 2023, it costs them a first.

I've heard the Jets are basically offering a 2nd and a conditional 4th if he plays next year for them. A 1st and a 4th is a more reasonable comprimise.

Yes, I think if we read the reports online they have been between a 1st this year and a 2nd next on the high end, and a 2nd this year and a conditional 4th next year (or '25) on the low end.

Honestly I'd be fine with any of them.  If you actually believe AR, Gute basically pulled him out of deciding on retirement to play on a grudge, so anything we get is gravy.  Plus we'll probably get a conditional 3rd next year for AR asking for Lazard to be overpaid.  Thanks Aaron!

@Iowacheese posted:

I don't think taking on Corey Davis is terrible if it still gets us the picks and gets this done.  He has one year left on his contract at 10 million.  Basically a prove it deal.  If they want to get some perceived value for him instead of releasing him.

Lazard just signed a 4 year gig which is basically a 2 year contract for 22 million.

Would you trade Lazard for Davis?  I would, based on those contracts.  Plus we will be getting a comp pick for Lazard.

Let them "throw in" Davis as a feel good for them.  He would have much to prove in his year here.   And if he does prove it - all the better we either sign him or he leaves us in free agency and we get another comp pick

DFH

I have no problem taking Davis for all the reasons you state...but the reality is, they have more to gain by trading him to us and shedding his salary than we do by taking him. To me taking Davis means instead of a 3rd we get a 4th in 2024.

As Bong stated, #13 this year overall should be a non-negotiable.

Jets media fanboys are all saying #13 overall isn't happening, most Jets will give is 2nd round. If true, fuck them with a razorblade dildo.

@Tavis Smiley posted:

I think we all knew deep down that ST was going to kill GB at some point that year. Just sucked ass that it happened to be in a playoff game.

Hell even MLF knew it based on what he said to Troy Aikman before the game.

Bellicheck wouldn't have let that happen.

@Chongo posted:

fuck them with a razorblade dildo.

It is quite clear to me you are not first chair material

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

Half this board wanted to give him away just to get him away a week ago.  Maybe I’m too self loathing, but fuck the jets.  If they aren’t willing to pay, the contract is an albatross either way, keep him around and trade him in august.  Jets are either in it to win it or they aren’t and their fan base knows it

Even if the Packers keep Rodgers they are $9 million more under the cap. That's not going to happen but the contract doesn't hurt them as much as some are saying. And if they

Jets think the #13 pick in the draft will help them more than Rodgers does they should guess again. I'm sure plenty of Jets fans feel the same way and that's who the Jets FO has to answer to when they go 7-11 again.

Fransesa says he thinks Rodgers will be good for 3 years and he immediately makes them the 2nd best team in the AFC. And he thinks that is only worth a conditional #2 pick?

I love Rodgers but in his McAfee interview you could tell he was pissed off. He would say all the right things like he has all the love and he wasn't bitter but you could tell the dude was bitter. He could also go full meltdown on the organization if he does not get his way soon. It could get worse than Favre which was epic chaos for a while. Favre was discreet when he was pissed off. Rodgers wears his "people wronged him" like a badge of honor.

@PackerRick posted:

Fransesa says he thinks Rodgers will be good for 3 years and he immediately makes them the 2nd best team in the AFC. And he thinks that is only worth a conditional #2 pick?

Dude is fruitier than a nutcake!

@Jelly posted:

Seriously. For all the doubachery that comes with Kaaron, he's carried this team on his back many years.

Carried them where?

@DH13 posted:

OL is a position where you can get value/production as a rookie if that guy is capable.  And the Jets need OL help.

No rookie lineman taken with the 13th pick in the draft will impact the Jets and give them a shot at the SB like Rodgers will. For all we know the Jets are trying to make the Packers take a player like Corey Davis in return to help their cap.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

I want this years first, anything above that is gravy.  

I agree with that except I think the Packers should get a conditional pick each year that Rodgers is on the Jets roster beyond 2023. Francesa think Rodgers can play 3 more years and if the Jets are successful he very well could play that long. One draft pick for Rodgers sounds paltry if he plays for 3 years.                                  The Packers are likely to trade down with that pick so that player isn't specifically tied to Rodgers which creates more uncertainty as far as return goes.

@Chongo posted:

Jets media fanboys are all saying #13 overall isn't happening, most Jets will give is 2nd round. If true, fuck them with a razorblade dildo.

Agreed. We'll see what they say if the deal falls through and the Jets go 7-10 again.