MichiganPacker- You're smarter than that and I'm not being a sarcastic ass. He wants those guys because they are good locker room guys to have. Lazard, who is the exception to The reasoning behind Cobb and Lewis, is a key role player. Not worth $44 million, but you get the picture. You need players like Cobb, Lewis, and in the past Woodson, Peppers, Jordy, etc. to lead a locker room.
Rodgers is very big on locker room cohesiveness and leadership. Always has been. His "guys" like Cobb, Jordy, Lazard, Lewis, etc. are great dudes... leaders. I think he values that more than anything.
I suppose once he's gone we could hear otherwise, but in 18 years there hasn't been many people outside of dumdums like Greg Jennings that have spoken a bad word about 12. That's pretty telling.
In a perfect world, this thread would be locked until the end of next football season.
@Tavis Smiley posted:MichiganPacker- You're smarter than that and I'm not being a sarcastic ass. He wants those guys because they are good locker room guys to have. Lazard, who is the exception to The reasoning behind Cobb and Lewis, is a key role player. Not worth $44 million, but you get the picture. You need players like Cobb, Lewis, and in the past Woodson, Peppers, Jordy, etc. to lead a locker room.
My guess is they'll have no trouble replacing those guys as leaders. The Packers let Cobb walk once and bringing back because Rodgers demanded it was the beginning of the end.
So if Lazard is so great in Rodger's eyes why did he pass him up several times when he was wide open and instead threw into double or even triple coverage to Adams?
I get having good locker room guys, and don't disagree with the thought, but at the end of the day, the objective is to win games, not merit badges.
Cue Herm Edwards....
@EC Pack posted:I get having good locker room guys, and don't disagree with the thought, but at the end of the day, the objective is to win games, not merit badges.
Cue Herm Edwards....
I think it also makes a difference where those guys are in terms of talent.
M. Lewis seems like a great person. Cobb also. They may make great assistant coaches some day.
But I think often it's the best players on the team that sets the tone. It's one thing having a guy like Cobb or M. Lewis, who everyone knows are on the team because Rodgers wants them and not necessarily because of their talent level, set the tone. It's highly likely they are saying exactly what needs to be said, but do the young guys really listen to them?
When its Reggie White and LeRoy Butler setting the tone and asking for accountability in 1996 or Charles Woodson doing the same thing in 2010, the message comes at you from a whole other level. Hall of Fame level guys command respect. Does Quay Walker still have two incidents like that if Reggie or Woodson is around? Maybe, but I'm guessing those two would have pulled Quay aside the first time he pulled that shit and the message might have been better sent.
The Packers had arguably 3 HOF-level guys the last few years. Besides Rodgers, they had D. Adams and, if Bakh would have stayed healthy, him as well. I don't think Rodgers is a bad guy and his teammates seem to like him, but I don't think it's anywhere near the Reggie/Woodson level.
I do agree that if they had a Cobb or M. Lewis type on the defense side of the ball it might have made a difference the last couple of years. There didn't appear to be any leaders on that side of the ball.
While teams need guys like Cobb & Lewis, on a good offense they are no better than your third best TE, and 5th best WR....typically players in those spots are young guys coming up that may also be ST players, who you have hopes of developing into better players (guys on an upward trajectory not a downward one). As MP said, the best scenario is to have great locker guys also be the best players.
@Packiderm posted:
That's the first time I've seen Paul Lynde without an ascot or neck scarf.
Absolutely loved him. ðĨ° âĨïļ ð
@MichiganPacker posted:M. Lewis seems like a great person. Cobb also. They may make great assistant coaches some day.
But I think often it's the best players on the team that sets the tone. It's one thing having a guy like Cobb or M. Lewis, who everyone knows are on the team because Rodgers wants them and not necessarily because of their talent level, set the tone. It's highly likely they are saying exactly what needs to be said, but do the young guys really listen to them?
I will push back to that characterization when it comes to Lewis; he is the best blocking TE in the league. His team mates know that. They see that every day.
He's on the team because he provides way more value than he costs in addition to setting the tone in practice and workouts. The young guys don't just learn from listening to him, they learn by watching him too. And he certainly has the respect of the vets on the team, just watch how they react when Lewis scores.
There a fair number of Packer fans who think little of Marcedes Lewis, but I don't think much of their evals. Maybe they get caught up in the "he's a Rodgers-guy " stuff or maybe its because he's not a fantasy producer. Oh well.
Marcedes Lewis is a stud and is not easily replaced on the field.
Cobb is a different story, easily replaced.
Just so I have this clearâĶSam seale stood on a table for Rodgers and Rodgers stood on a table for lizard. Ted might have stood on a table for Rodgers too? Canât recall from the time with mcafee and too lazy to re-listen.
I maybe, maybe have seen one person ever stand on a table. Iâm going to start using that phrase whenever poss.
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I do agree on Marcedes value at TE.
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Is this code for some kind of sex thing
@Orlando Wolf posted:Just so I have this clearâĶSam seale stood on a table for Rodgers and Rodgers stood on a table for lizard. Ted might have stood on a table for Rodgers too? Canât recall from the time with mcafee and too lazy to re-listen.
I maybe, maybe have seen one person ever stand on a table. Iâm going to start using that phrase whenever poss.
Get off the table, OW. You are getting it all muddy.
What ever happened to the tap dancing cracker guy?
@antooo posted:What ever happened to the tap dancing cracker guy?
Killed in the Canadian civil war.
Iâll stand on a table for you Goaline.
@Goalline posted:Killed in the Canadian civil war.
By his own men.
@Orlando Wolf posted:Iâll stand on a table for you Goaline.
That carries a lot of weight, bro.
NY Media is coming off their sugar high and starting to wonder how things will be if they don't pony up for 12 (when they start talking wbc skip ahead to 23:53 to get back to 12 talk).
The Michael Kay Show
Hour 1: When Will Rodgers Become a Jet
@titmfatied posted:NY Media is coming off their sugar high and starting to wonder how things will be if they don't pony up 12.
The Michael Kay Show
Hour 1: When Will Rodgers Become a Jet
They were expecting the hicks in GB to have caved already and just accept the half drank 6 pack. Now it is time to PANIC!
They talk how big it will be with Rodgers in NY and how great the team will be but won't give up a 1st! What a bunch of douchcanoes!
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Is this code for some kind of sex thing
God I hope so.
@Chongo posted:Kiel's new avatar
@antooo posted:What ever happened to the tap dancing cracker guy?
His hubris was terminal.
@Blair Kiel posted:
You are my hero.
FWIW, Wingo retweeted this one.
Some Jets-Packers trade stuff has gone off the rails.
â Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 17, 2023
Some suggesting Aaron would force Packers hand by showing up at OTAs. Please.
People, this will be resolved long before that, probably within a week or two.
GB may not get much, but will be more than was offered last week.
@vitaflo posted:FWIW, Wingo retweeted this one.
Some Jets-Packers trade stuff has gone off the rails.
â Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 17, 2023
Some suggesting Aaron would force Packers hand by showing up at OTAs. Please.
People, this will be resolved long before that, probably within a week or two.
GB may not get much, but will be more than was offered last week.
"May not get much."
Jets fans talking to the Jets' FO:
@D J posted:"May not get much."
Jets with ZERO leverage at this point.
12for#13
Part 2. Skip to 3:58 for this one. None of the logic is stable here, but when it comes to the Jets it's all about the emotion and the key thing is the owner pays attention to all this nonsense. Every social event he attends over the next few weeks he'll be fielding questions about 12. High society assholes will be needling him that he won't be able to get it done. Woody wants a celebration summer filled with soirÃĻes at his East Hampton estate. He wants people asking him about his plans for a Super Bowl party not asking him what he's going to do if he can't land Rodgers.
He wants the Jerseys and all the marketing materials with 12s face ready to go, wants the pomp and circumstance of the introductory press conference with Rodgers. The things that really matter to a guy like Woody have little to do with draft capital. The pressure will build.
@Blair Kiel posted:Jets with ZERO leverage at this point.
I want the Ricky Williams deal: Give me all your draft picks, (and your fans won't get butt-hurt).
@Packiderm posted:They talk how big it will be with Rodgers in NY and how great the team will be but won't give up a 1st! What a bunch of douchcanoes!
I could see being that adamant about hanging onto that pick if it was in the 6-8 range but it's a pick close to the middle of the round. These guys think the Packers lose leverage after the draft but the Jets will be the big losers because they have no QB and Rodgers isn't there acclimating himself with his new team. The market could change and Packers possibly ship him elsewhere. If a starting QB for a contender gets hurt the first call comes to the Packers.