Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

@artis posted:

Interesting conundrum, isn't it? The word you hear from the talking heads is Rodgers wants the Jets to have every available asset.

Exactly, the Jets are all in for 2023 and they don't want give up anything prior to 2024 because they are protecting themselves from Rodgers only playing one season. If they were convinced Rodgers would play two seasons, giving them 2 shots at a SB, they would probably part with the #13 pick. It's getting to the point where I don't care what the Packers get for Rodgers just so the Jets don't get him. Let the Jets FO answer to their fans.

@fightphoe93 posted:

That said, if things don’t go the way he thinks it will, the fans might get on him and that would definitely take away some of the fun out of being there.

They also threw a shit fit when Eli was benched. They're proud of their ability to rage against the team as well as the players. I almost want to see him do well there just so they stfu about "he could never handle the pressure of the big apple." This could easily end up a case where they get over Rodgers not coming into the fold while still hammering away at Jets ownership.

@PackerRick posted:

Exactly, the Jets are all in for 2023 and they don't want give up anything prior to 2024 because they are protecting themselves from Rodgers only playing one season. If they were convinced Rodgers would play two seasons, giving them 2 shots at a SB, they would probably part with the #13 pick. It's getting to the point where I don't care what the Packers get for Rodgers just so the Jets don't get him. Let the Jets FO answer to their fans.

Gute should alert them to the fact that this 39 year old qb is a year by year proposition regardless. It's not GB's problem if he won't commit to multiple years. That's a Jets problem.

Rodgers can fix a lot of that by simply telling the Jets he’s in for a minimum of two years and will be at all the OTA’s.

Why would Rodgers do that?  He wants to keep everyone guessing and then be able to come back and correct everyone.  

Rodgers probably has told the Jets he's in for two years but he wants that #1 pick staying with the Jets too. He's going to stick it to the Packers any way he can. At this point I'd love to see the Packers trade Rodgers to a team like Miami and really burn the Jets.

@PackerRick posted:

Not so sure about this statement. He stressed how the people make an organization. We'll see how he likes the people of NYC compared to WI.

Total bs if you're talking about native nyers. Lived there 10 years. Salt of the earth people, good story tellers.  The jags are often transplants and transients.  Also a few more things to do with your free time there.

@DH13 posted:

Total bs if you're talking about native nyers. Lived there 10 years. Salt of the earth people, good story tellers.  The jags are often transplants and transients.  Also a few more things to do with your free time there.

It sounds like you're too close to the trees to see the forest. Wisconsin people are much different than NYers. Why do you think people are claiming Rodgers will have trouble with the NY press? I was talking about the people, not what there is to do there.

Will never hate on rodgers. If packers don't have a chance at super bowl, i will hope for rodgers success. This is not Favre part 2. It isn't rodgers fault the front office and coaching staff got a case of complacency and incompetence since super bowl. Rodgers deserves a team with a great defense. Jets have that.

Would love to get a microphone in front of Jets players and ask them if they think Rodgers is worth this year's 1st. Just to stir things up.

@vitaflo posted:

The Packers want to take the entire cap hit this year.  If you don't believe me, look at their cap management this offseason.  They've restructured deals to move cap money into future years so they can take Rodgers' full cap hit this year.

We currently have the 3rd most cap space in the league.  If we trade Rodgers after June 1 we'll have the most cap space.  You can't roll cap over, it's use it or lose it.  There would be no reason to restructure contracts if you weren't taking the entire AR cap hit this year.

As for a getting a low round pick for Rodgers, as weird as this sounds, does anyone think Rodgers wants that?  "Yeah I was only worth a 3rd round pick" would totally damage his ego.

I've heard fans, here, say that Rodgers will demand that the Jets keep that 13th pick, too. Doubt we'll hear Rodgers say anything about his compensation as that will be what the Jets were willing to give for him.

@Floridarob posted:

Will never hate on rodgers. If packers don't have a chance at super bowl, i will hope for rodgers success. This is not Favre part 2. It isn't rodgers fault the front office and coaching staff got a case of complacency and incompetence since super bowl. Rodgers deserves a team with a great defense. Jets have that.

As annoying as Rodgers has become the last couple of years, people forget that he carried this team for many years with questionable coaching and an incompetent and dysfunctional front office.

FWIW from Peter Kings column today

I think it’s all the other three-ring circus that comes with it. Nobody wants to put their organization on blast every Tuesday for a podcast. And that’s really what the Packers have been.

–Former NFL GM and scout Randy Mueller, now the director of pro personnel for the XFL’s Seattle Sea Dragons, on the “Football GM” podcast with Mike Sando, on why more teams haven’t been interested in dealing for Aaron Rodgers. “The podcast” he refers to is the interview Rodgers does each week with Pat McAfee.

Belichick is a smart guy. Patriots should have conversations if for nothing else to drive up what their division rivals have to pay

The reason there aren't more teams interested in trading for Rodgers is because of his contract.  Teams will put up with a lot of crap to win.

Really think performance is a big question mark with AR. Teams will tolerate the big contract and three-ring circus if you're sure of what you're getting on the field.

@PackerRick posted:

It sounds like you're too close to the trees to see the forest. Wisconsin people are much different than NYers. Why do you think people are claiming Rodgers will have trouble with the NY press? I was talking about the people, not what there is to do there.

You seem blinded by the trees.  Sure they're different but you implied something worse.  You didn't say the press, you said the people.  The press is its own animal.

Age, recent performance, money, years of commitment and BS all factor in IMO

Rodgers has to be careful in this stalemate. If he pushes too hard against Green Bay, they may just decide to tell him to stay away from the facilities and wait until the day before the season starts and cut him. At that point Rodgers loses a $60 million dollar payday. He could have his pick of team then that he would want to play for but it wont be for $60 million dollars. He always says it is not about the money but he sure got every last dollar he could over his career. So yea, it is about the money.

@Pikes Peak posted:

FWIW from Peter Kings column today

I think it’s all the other three-ring circus that comes with it. Nobody wants to put their organization on blast every Tuesday for a podcast. And that’s really what the Packers have been.

–Former NFL GM and scout Randy Mueller, now the director of pro personnel for the XFL’s Seattle Sea Dragons, on the “Football GM” podcast with Mike Sando, on why more teams haven’t been interested in dealing for Aaron Rodgers. “The podcast” he refers to is the interview Rodgers does each week with Pat McAfee.

Every team has a half hour or hour long TV show with usually the star hosting it. Brady has his, Peyton had his, Tony Romo and others as well. They all say the same thing. Nothing. Mueller is a moron to think that has anything to do with anything  explains why this guy is in the XFL now.

@Floridarob posted:

Rodgers has to be careful in this stalemate. If he pushes too hard against Green Bay, they may just decide to tell him to stay away from the facilities and wait until the day before the season starts and cut him. At that point Rodgers loses a $60 million dollar payday. He could have his pick of team then that he would want to play for but it wont be for $60 million dollars. He always says it is not about the money but he sure got every last dollar he could over his career. So yea, it is about the money.

There is literally a 0% chance that the Packers cut him. If they cut him after June 1 there is a $75 million cap hit this year--nor would they cut him before June 1 either as that would be a $100 million cap hit for this year. Worst case for the Packers is Rodgers gets fed up with them holding up the deal and simply retires, which would result in a $40 million cap hit the Packers can afford this year (though it could be split with next year's cap depending on timing). The Packers are in complete control here to their benefit. The only downside for the Packers is a complete inability (as we've seen) to meaningfully participate in FA because they don't know what their cap situation is.

This isn't really about Rodgers anymore, this is entirely about what the Jets are willing to pay and what the Packers are willing to accept. The Packers can drag this out until June 1 if they really want to--to lessen the trade cap hit. But if the front office is smart () they'll get this done ASAP so they can pick up the Jets' first round 2023 pick.

The Jets want him, Rodgers wants to play for them because the Packers want to move on, so it's all about who is going to flinch in the compensation fight between the Jets and Packers.

The ONLY reason for the Jets to not surrender the 13th overall pick is there must be uncertainty on whether or not Rodgers intends to play in 2024.  

That’s not the Packers problem, IMO.  But it would help explain why the Jets may be reluctant to deal the 1 this year.  

If that’s the case, then a 2 and 4 this year makes sense and a conditional pick - likely a 2 that could turn into a 1 in the future if he returns for 2024.  

Knowing Rodgers tendencies and his keep you waiting and guessing bullshit, I’m sure he didn’t guarantee the Jets to play next year.  It’s so in his nature to drag this along and when this is all done I sure hope that becomes known (if true).  Him throwing GB under the bus publicly - ie the Packers are dragging their feet- deserves a response by the team.  

One other item - if that’s the case (1st rounder isn’t in play), then there’s not as much of a desire for the Packers to deal him before the draft.  Sure, you’d like for GB to get more draft capital this year but the cap savings is also important so waiting until June 1 is the penalty Rodgers and the Jets will pay for not wanting to include the 1 this year.

To that extent, it will be really interesting to see what happens.  Will the Jets cave to the public pressure and make a deal before the draft and include the 13th overall pick?  Or will they be OK to wait until June 1 to save the pick?   The Packers can still secure a 1 in 2024 albeit the 13th overall pick will be worth more this year.

Yes of course it is Rodgers fault ... even though he said he is not part of the negotiations.

He’s absolutely part of the equation.  As are the Packers and Jets.   They all deserve some criticism for the current state although as things stand today I’m not sure it’s a big problem.  The Packers aren’t big players in FA and the Jets don’t need for him to be there ASAP.  

Just so I am clear, this "equation" includes the Jets, the Packers and Aaron Rodgers? 

Someone should start a thread about this

@DH13 posted:

You seem blinded by the trees.  Sure they're different but you implied something worse.  You didn't say the press, you said the people.  The press is its own animal.

How did I imply anything worse and yes the press is comprised of people. But there is no comparison to the attitudes of Wisconsinites and people from NYC. Do you think those fans calling in to those sports shows are going to be soft on Rodgers when things go bad? There is a reason some former athletes claimed Rodger will have a tougher time in NY as opposed to where he is.

All you have to do is follow the Yankees to know that it takes a special breed to play in NY

@Floridarob posted:

Rodgers has to be careful in this stalemate. If he pushes too hard against Green Bay, they may just decide to tell him to stay away from the facilities and wait until the day before the season starts and cut him. At that point Rodgers loses a $60 million dollar payday. He could have his pick of team then that he would want to play for but it wont be for $60 million dollars. He always says it is not about the money but he sure got every last dollar he could over his career. So yea, it is about the money.

What if the Packers don't trade Rodgers, he doesn't report, and instead of cutting him they suspend him for not reporting? It's highly unlikely the Packers let it get messy but I think Rodgers should consider that and lean on the Jets to get something done.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           All of these east Coast reporters say the Jets have the leverage. I don't see it. The Jets have no QB and there isn't another one available. The Packers have 2 QBs and actually take a lesser cap hit keeping Rodgers. The Packers are going to pay out a ton of money and take massive cap hits whether they trade Rodgers or not. With what they've already invested, with Rodgers saying he's playing 2023 for the Jets, I don't see the Jets with any leverage.

Jets fans are counting the prospect of Rodgers showing up for camp and the Packers saying OH Shit! Now what do we do? Pay Rodgers to sit on the bench some or de-activate. They gotta pay one way or the other. 

@Tschmack posted:

The ONLY reason for the Jets to not surrender the 13th overall pick is there must be uncertainty on whether or not Rodgers intends to play in 2024.  

I actually think the main reason the Jets want their #1 pick is so they can put as much talent as they can on the field in 2023. They are all in for 2023 and I'm sure they'd love to land a top OLineman to protect Rodgers.                                                                                                                                                                                                   There will always be uncertainty with Rodgers playing  in 2024 even if he said today he was playing in 2024. But he's under contract for 2024 and when he signed it was expected he would play for 3 years and then the voidable years were added. I believe the Jets are very optimistic Rodgers will play in 2024 as it stands today. They just don't want to give up anything that detracts from the 2023 team.

@FLPACKER posted:

Yes of course it is Rodgers fault ... even though he said he is not part of the negotiations.

It's clear where he stands when he puts the onus on the Packers for digging in their heels on the compensation. He could have just as easily said the Jets are lowballing the Packers asking price.

@Tschmack posted:

To that extent, it will be really interesting to see what happens.  Will the Jets cave to the public pressure and make a deal before the draft and include the 13th overall pick?  Or will they be OK to wait until June 1 to save the pick?   The Packers can still secure a 1 in 2024 albeit the 13th overall pick will be worth more this year.

Jets fans are now actually wanting the trade to take place after the draft, so they can keep all their picks.  Some think the holdup is the Jets doing this very thing, knowing the Packers will need to get rid of AR at some point, but wanting to give up '24 picks, not '23.  So by refusing to do the trade until after the draft, the Jets don't have to give up anything this year.  Basically they think they can have their cake and eat it too.

@Tschmack posted:

He’s absolutely part of the equation.  As are the Packers and Jets.   They all deserve some criticism for the current state although as things stand today I’m not sure it’s a big problem.  The Packers aren’t big players in FA and the Jets don’t need for him to be there ASAP.  

This is where I think the Packers can really tighten the screws. If it goes past the draft then naturally we all expect the Packers to take it beyond June 1. But why stop there? The closer it gets to training camp the more it works in the Packers favor so I see no reason to cut a deal right after June 1.

If I'm the Packers, I tell the Jets something like  - "it's fine if you want to keep all your picks this year, but the level of compensation is going to increase if you defer it past this year's draft"

Given that the Jets are likely to be a borderline playoff team at least this year, the 2024 pick is likely to be in the low 20s or better.

Maybe instead of the 13th pick and some other mid-round picks right now, ask them for their first-rounders in both 2024 and 2025 and some mid-round picks.

Even if Love is good, the Packers aren't going to win a Super Bowl this upcoming year. Get some extra picks for down the road.

I think the Jets are going to lowball the Packers no matter what and trading any #1 pick is something they won't do. They want to compensate like they did with Favre. I'd rather trade Rodgers to another team for anything just so I can watch the Jets get pummeled next season.

This articles points out that both teams have the leverage. Who will blink first?

Letting the Jets keep their first pick and getting their 2024 pick may be the answer.

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...rodgers-and-leverage

If the Jets said their 1 in 2024 and 1 in 2025 I’d probably still make it conditional upon reaching the June 1 date.   That’s part of the dance.  You want him sooner, you need to give up the 13th overall pick this year or at least a 2 this year and 1 next year.  

If Packers aren’t getting anything of value in the draft this year there’s no reason to do the Jets a solid and trade him before June 1.

The real question is what’s the next 8-9 weeks worth if you are the Jets?  If he arrives in June the fans may not like it but it’s not like he’s arriving at the end of training camp or near the start of preseason.  

@13X posted:

As annoying as Rodgers has become the last couple of years, people forget that he carried this team for many years with questionable coaching and an incompetent and dysfunctional front office.

Absolutely NO ONE has forgotten that.

When do TV schedules get announced?  The league and their partners will want to know by then.