@Blair Kiel posted:Jets with ZERO leverage at this point.
I don't think they'll ever have leverage. They need Rodgers or it's more of the same in NY. There is no other QB option that makes them a playoff team.
a few weeks ago I thought they might be able to amicably split and hey maybe id root for the Jets and Rodgers success. After listening to AR, the douchebag JETS fans and their pundits I hope our FO holds their ass to the fire and squeezes their balls. Then I hope that whole organization goes 4-13 and the staff gets canned
@titmfatied posted:Part 2. Skip to 3:58 for this one. None of the logic is stable here, but when it comes to the Jets it's all about the emotion and the key thing is the owner pays attention to all this nonsense. Every social event he attends over the next few weeks he'll be fielding questions about 12. High society assholes will be needling him that he won't be able to get it done. Woody wants a celebration summer filled with soirèes at his East Hampton estate. He wants people asking him about his plans for a Super Bowl party not asking him what he's going to do if he can't land Rodgers.
He wants the Jerseys and all the marketing materials with 12s face ready to go, wants the pomp and circumstance of the introductory press conference with Rodgers. The things that really matter to a guy like Woody have little to do with draft capital. The pressure will build.
There's just something about watching Jets fans squirm that is highly entertaining.
Also, these guys know nothing about the Packers cap, saying we couldn't even afford an extra 1st round pick. The Packers have the 3rd most cap space in the league currently.
I doubt they realize that a Rodgers trade hurts us and actually adds $9 mil to our cap.
@PackerRick posted:I doubt they realize that a Rodgers trade hurts us and actually adds $9 mil to our cap.
It actually adds more. If we get the #1 pick, it will add an extra $3.3m to the cap in order to sign that pick.
For the next few weeks there is literally zero pressure on the Packers to move from their position. My favorite part of this is the Jets are terrified of speaking one word of a plan B option towards Stafford or Lamar lest they offend the bell of the ball.
@titmfatied posted:My favorite part of this is the Jets are terrified of speaking one word of a plan B option towards Stafford or Lamar lest they offend the bell of the ball.
I had to laugh at that part of the video as well. They're already afraid of Rodgers and he hasn't even shown up in NY yet.
Pelissero as usual with the most level headed assessment.
@titmfatied posted:For the next few weeks there is literally zero pressure on the Packers to move from their position. My favorite part of this is the Jets are terrified of speaking one word of a plan B option towards Stafford or Lamar lest they offend the bell of the ball.
I can't see any way the Ravens let Jackson move on. Stafford might be one hit away from retirement. The Jets painted themselves into a corner and Rodgers helped that happen with his comments.
@titmfatied posted:Pelissero as usual with the most level headed assessment.
Best info of the week.
Interesting stat I heard this morning on Rodgers .... record when opponents score 20 or fewer points is 80-10, couldn't find QB comparisons.
If what Pelissero says is true and the Packers are not asking for two first rounders then it makes the Jets even bigger dicks than we thought.
@PackerRick posted:No rookie lineman taken with the 13th pick in the draft will impact the Jets and give them a shot at the SB like Rodgers will. For all we know the Jets are trying to make the Packers take a player like Corey Davis in return to help their cap.
There have been rookie OL starting in the SB. They can definitely help, if capable.
I still think something like the 13th overall pick and a conditional pick (like a 2 or 3) if Rodgers plays in 2024 is what GB is asking for. If the Jets are thinking they can or should get him for a 2 and 4 then they can fuck off. Rodgers is absolutely worth more than that.
I mean, forget about Wilson and Stafford, how about Carson Wentz comparisons? I’m not talking Commanders but Colts acquisition costs. If you simply look at both guys, Rodgers is a much better prospect even at 39.
The Jets need to get their proverbial shit together. Any trade has to include that 13th overall pick.
@Chongo posted:If what Pelissero says is true and the Packers are not asking for two first rounders then it makes the Jets even bigger dicks than we thought.
Also dumber. It means they didn't have a deal in place before they flew out to CA, let all the other FA QB's sign, and Rodgers screwed up the deal even more by going on McAfee and saying he wants to play for the Jets and is the best player ever to play for GB. And the Jets responded by signing Rodgers buddy Lazard.
Pelissero confirms the hold up is actually not Aaron, it's compensation. Which is actually a good thing because the Jets (and Rodgers) keep shooting themselves in the foot. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Gute is using the Jets desperation and Rodgers ego against themselves, but it certainly feels that way. For a guy who was 90% sure he was going to retire, the Packers have so far played this perfectly.
Andy Herman had an interesting trade scenario that seemed fair for both sides.
Packers get: 1st, '24 2nd (conditional), '25 3rd (conditional), Denzel Mims.
Jets get: Rodgers, 3rd.
The Andy Herman trade sounds plausible. If Rodgers commits to playing for the Jets in 2024 it’s absolutely worth a 2 next year and maybe another pick in 2025 if they play well in 2024 or he commits to a 3rd year with the Jets.
The conditional 2024 pick is interesting because you know Rodgers will be motivated to prove everyone wrong so the Jets should expect his best effort.
The 3rd in '25 is for if AR plays in '24, that's the condition. Can't really do a conditional in '24 if he plays in '24 because the draft is well before the season starts (he could retire after the draft).
The conditional 2nd in '24 would be if Rodgers hits some stat metric or the Jets make the playoffs, etc.
In any case, the interesting part of the trade was basically using our 3rd this year to get their 1st. It's something people haven't really discussed, giving up something of ours to guarantee that 1st. I'd be willing to trade our 3rd for it.
@DH13 posted:There have been rookie OL starting in the SB. They can definitely help, if capable.
I'll stand by my statement. "No rookie lineman taken with the 13th pick in the draft will impact the Jets and give them a shot at the SB like Rodgers will."
@Tschmack posted:I still think something like the 13th overall pick and a conditional pick (like a 2 or 3) if Rodgers plays in 2024 is what GB is asking for. If the Jets are thinking they can or should get him for a 2 and 4 then they can fuck off. Rodgers is absolutely worth more than that.
I mean, forget about Wilson and Stafford, how about Carson Wentz comparisons? I’m not talking Commanders but Colts acquisition costs. If you simply look at both guys, Rodgers is a much better prospect even at 39.
The Jets need to get their proverbial shit together. Any trade has to include that 13th overall pick.
If a deal isn't done before the draft the Packers are just as well off waiting until June 1 so they can spread the cap hit over two years. Maybe that gives the Packers time to find another suitor. If that happens I'd be happy taking less compensation and watching the Jets win 6 games next season. The #1 priority is still dumping that contract.
@vitaflo posted:The 3rd in '25 is for if AR plays in '24, that's the condition. Can't really do a conditional in '24 if he plays in '24 because the draft is well before the season starts (he could retire after the draft).
The conditional 2nd in '24 would be if Rodgers hits some stat metric or the Jets make the playoffs, etc.
In any case, the interesting part of the trade was basically using our 3rd this year to get their 1st. It's something people haven't really discussed, giving up something of ours to guarantee that 1st. I'd be willing to trade our 3rd for it.
And it’s not like the team has had any success with the third rounder anyway. Maybe we can throw in past third rounder’s too?
I doubt the report that the Jets flew to CA not knowing the price tag. I think they are the ones digging in their heels in a lowball effort. That's like looking at a house to buy without knowing the price. If you can't afford something or think it's too expensive you don't waste anybody's time looking at it. So why would anybody look not knowing the price?
If it gets past the draft tell the Jets the deal is off. Tell them there is no more communication allowed with Rodgers. Packers will hang on to Rodgers through the summer until they have to cut him. Then you get through training camp and see if Love survives that. If he doesnt Rodgers is the QB for 2023. If he doesnt want to then he can retire, be suspended, or be cut day before season begins. Then Rodgers contract goes away and the Jets will have to compete with the 49ers, Rams, Vikings, Lions, Patriots, and Titans for Rodgers services. As much as he said he wants to play for the Jets, he would jump 1st at the chance to play for San Fran. Jets can pound sand and keep their 4th round draft choice.
@PackerRick posted:I doubt the report that the Jets flew to CA not knowing the price tag. I think they are the ones digging in their heels in a lowball effort. That's like looking at a house to buy without knowing the price. If you can't afford something or think it's too expensive you don't waste anybody's time looking at it. So why would anybody look not knowing the price?
that is why I believe the Raiders bailed early on. They knew it was going to cost them at least their pic 7 in the 1st round and moved on.
Surprised the Pack haven’t tackled the narrative by saying, “we wish Aaron the best and recognize he is a generational talent, it’s to bad the Jets don’t value him the same way”
the narrative can either be the Pack are greedy or the Jets are cheap
They should be shopping him around. Risking a 3rd or 4th round pick from the Jets is worth it to try to get value from elsewhere. The Jets will do just fine with Zach Wilson and Carson Wentz. Super Bowl QBs are a dime a dozen. Sarcasm.
Not the only one to shop around:
(BK is jealous of that hair.)
@Floridarob posted:that is why I believe the Raiders bailed early on. They knew it was going to cost them at least their pic 7 in the 1st round and moved on.
Very true, plus there is quite a difference between #7 and #13. McDaniel had Garoppolo targeted all along because he knew him from NE and he thinks they have a shot at one of the 4 QBs highly rated in the draft at #7. They could actually groom a top QB for a couple seasons by going this route. The Raiders might not take a QB at #7 but the Jets at #13 are definitely out of that range.
@tsr86free posted:They should be shopping him around. Risking a 3rd or 4th round pick from the Jets is worth it to try to get value from elsewhere. The Jets will do just fine with Zach Wilson and Carson Wentz. Super Bowl QBs are a dime a dozen. Sarcasm.
The Jets want to use draft picks from the 2024 draft assuming their draft position will be much lower, similar to the Favre trade. But the Jets screwed the Packers in the Favre trade because there was a poison pill in that trade prohibiting the Jets from trading Favre to certain teams or it would cost them three #1 draft picks. So screw the Jets. I'd just as soon string them along until there is nothing left for them and trade Rodgers to a different team for even less just to burn them. They are making the Packers out to be the bad guys in all of this and I just think it's them lowballing.
If the Jets don’t land Rodgers I’m pretty sure Woody Johnson will step in and fire everyone in the front office. That’s why it has to happen even if Woody intervenes to make this deal official.
The Jets have gone beyond the point of no return. If they are haggling over a 1 and 3 instead of a 2 and 4 I’m sure the Packers will stay put because they can. The Jets can’t.
The NYJ didn’t have a probably pissing away two top 5 picks for Darnold and Wilson, so getting Rodgers for a middle first rounder and another pick seems like a smart investment.
I'm anxious to see what happens if this does blow up on the Jets. Douglas had a great draft last year but it wasn't great enough to even get them in the playoffs. The playoffs are really step one for the Jets and Rodgers takes them beyond that the day the trade is completed.
So what happens first, the trade is finalized or this thread gets to 175 pages?
It will be over 175. Starting to think the Jets aren’t serious enough, and that arrogance will cause them to have to pivot to Plan B, whatever the hell that is.
@DH13 posted:There have been rookie OL starting in the SB. They can definitely help, if capable.
Our very own Brian Bulaga did just that.
Tristan Wirfs did okay as a rookie tackle for the Bucs a couple of years ago. Bulaga and Wirfs...both out of Iowa...
As a rookie, Wirfs started all 16 games in the 2020 season, only allowing 1 sack to Khalil Mack of the Chicago Bears in Week 5. Wirfs played and started all four games in the Buccaneers' playoff run that resulted in the team winning Super Bowl LV.
@Maxi54 posted:Tristan Wirfs did okay as a rookie tackle for the Bucs a couple of years ago. Bulaga and Wirfs...both out of Iowa...
As a rookie, Wirfs started all 16 games in the 2020 season, only allowing 1 sack to Khalil Mack of the Chicago Bears in Week 5. Wirfs played and started all four games in the Buccaneers' playoff run that resulted in the team winning Super Bowl LV.
Corn fed!