I don't think he's holding the franchise hostage because the Packers have to give the ball to Love this year. The 5th year option is almost the same crossroads the Raiders had with Carr's roster bonus. If the Packers don't give Love the $20 mil guarantee in 2024, and he sits this season, both QBs are likely gone in 2024. If the Packers do honor the 5th year they need to play Love this year so they can determine if he's worth extending and eliminate the $20 mil cap hit in 2024.
@Satori posted:Yup. Lather Rinse Repeat
My guesses:
Packers 1st choice: Trade Rodgers now
Packers 2nd choice - Play Rodgers 1 more seasonI think they'd be OK with either
Rodgers 1st choice: Play in GB as long as he wants
Rodgers 2nd choice Play in GB one more season
Rodgers 3rd choice: Get traded and play several more seasons elsewhereI think they end up meeting in the middle and AR is the QB for 2023 only - then Love takes over in 2024. And part of that reality is there's a fair chance the old man misses some time in the regular season, giving Love some snaps
The main issue with this negotiated deal is twofold:
1.) It assumes Jordan Love is fine with this. While he is absolutely been a true soldier, kept his mouth shut and did precisely as Rodgers did in his 1st 3 years, there is nothing guaranteed he will want to sit yet again in 2023. Additionally, it seems there is more chatter in the locker room (D. Campbell, R. Douglas, A. Jones) that were saying last season that Love looked ready in '22. Love could demand a trade. Yes, contractually there is not much he can do to force one, but this could end up being a divided locker room at some point in 2023, especially if Rodgers or the offense doesn't play well. That could get very ugly for MLF and I really don't think the Packers want that kind of drama.
2.) If you are going to get something for Rodgers via a trade, now this the time to do it. Well, actually, last year was the time but you still can get a 1st rounder for him now and probably a conditional 2nd rounder or higher if he plays for his new team again in 24. If GB and Rodgers would mutually agree to part ways next season, the Packers get nothing.
Also, from Ken Ingalls :
Now, I don't think the situation gets to this point.
— Ken Ingalls - Packers Cap 💰 (@KenIngalls) February 20, 2023
But let's not pretend the Packers' hands are tied if Rodgers wants to continue playing football in Green Bay.
@PackerRick posted:I don't think he's holding the franchise hostage because the Packers have to give the ball to Love this year. The 5th year option is almost the same crossroads the Raiders had with Carr's roster bonus. If the Packers don't give Love the $20 mil guarantee in 2024, and he sits this season, both QBs are likely gone in 2024. If the Packers do honor the 5th year they need to play Love this year so they can determine if he's worth extending and eliminate the $20 mil cap hit in 2024.
The 5th year option is fully guaranteed. They can't get rid of it. If they give Love his 5th year option he will play in 2024 regardless of what happens this year.
And only the backup guy gets rib protection.
@Satori posted:Yup. Lather Rinse Repeat
My guesses:
Packers 1st choice: Trade Rodgers now
Packers 2nd choice - Play Rodgers 1 more seasonI think they'd be OK with either
Rodgers 1st choice: Play in GB as long as he wants
Rodgers 2nd choice Play in GB one more season
Rodgers 3rd choice: Get traded and play several more seasons elsewhereI think they end up meeting in the middle and AR is the QB for 2023 only - then Love takes over in 2024. And part of that reality is there's a fair chance the old man misses some time in the regular season, giving Love some snaps
If you think Love is the guy in 2024 then there is zero reason to keep Rodgers in 2023. If he's good enough to pay a 5th year option to in '24 then he's good enough to start in '23, plus you get draft capital for trading Rodgers, plus get out from under Rodgers' contract.
If you don't think Love is the guy in '23 then you also can't think he's the guy in '24 and you don't pick up his 5th year option and he will hit FA after this year.
Letting AR play means you are in even more cap hell, get zero years while Love is still cheap, run the risk of Love demanding a trade, run the risk of AR playing so poorly that he gets benched for Love, run the risk of pissing off Love so much he decides to test free agency after his 5th year, run the risk of Rodgers waffling *again* after '23, etc.
This is the year they need to make a decision. They either trade Rodgers, or trade Love. You really can't have them both on the team going forward.
@vitaflo posted:The 5th year option is fully guaranteed. They can't get rid of it. If they give Love his 5th year option he will play in 2024 regardless of what happens this year.
I understand that. But they haven't exercised that option yet. If they exercise it they almost have to play Love in 23. It allows them to extend Love if they think he's worth the money and they can negotiate a cap friendly extension that eliminates the $20 mil cap hit in 2024. If they wait until 2024 to play Love, it's a major cap hit, and the leverage could really swing in Love's favor if he plays well. Waiting could lead to the franchise tag.
@packerboi posted:1.) It assumes Jordan Love is fine with this.
Glad this is being discussed because Love's feelings matter more than Rodgers right now. From everything I've heard, the players and management believe Love can play so I'll assume that's true. For those that say "he's under contract, he has no leverage", well that's just not true. If Love sits next year, Packers likely move on from Rodgers and will pick up the $20m fifth year option in 2024, which is Love's first year playing. Then he becomes a free agent in 2025. If Love plays well, he likely refuses to negotiate until after the season because why not hit free agency? Plus, goodwill is at a minimum b/c Gute made Love sit for 4 years, unheard of in this NFL. Negotiations with a young free agent QB are tough. Packers can tag him in 2025.....at price of about $50m. Second year tag would be $60m. Meaning $110m in the first two seasons is the starting point for negotiations on Love's contract if he makes to free agency. And to those that say "just extend him early". Again, Love plays one season, an extension becomes hard b/c Packers need to see at least 12 games to know what they have but at that point, Love can hit free agency in just 5 more games. So if the fifth year is his first year starting, he likely hits free agency, which is a mess.
It just gets complicated with Love if his first season starting is his fifth year. Now if Love can't play, no harm no foul. If he can? It gets weird, and all for one more season of Rodgers at age 40.
What happens when the Hall of Famer returns to the light and he sees Bobs report that someone in the org said they were disgusted and done with him?
My guess is all the inner peace he attained in the 4 day darkness retreat will disappear quickly.
@CUPackFan posted:Plus, goodwill is at a minimum b/c Gute made Love sit for 4 years, unheard of in this NFL.
It's actually unheard of in any era of the NFL, not just this one. In fact, since 1967 only two QB's drafted in the 1st round have sat for 3 years before starting. Rodgers and Jim Kelly. And the only reason Kelly waited 3 years was because he didn't want to play in Buffalo after he was drafted by them and signed with the USFL team in Houston and played there for 2 years until the USFL folded and he want back to Buffalo.
Rodgers waiting as long as he did was always an anomaly. The only other modern QB that was even close was Chad Pennington who waited 2 years.
How many QB's in the modern era drafted in RD1 were drafted by a team with a HOF QB already in place? Kind of a monkey wrench. Even so, I will bet Love didnt think he was ready start in yr 1 or 2 either. So his only qualms may be with yr 3. Agreed that he shouldn't sit for a 4th.
@Pikes Peak posted:What happens when the Hall of Famer returns to the light and he sees Bobs report that someone in the org said they were disgusted and done with him?
My guess is all the inner peace he attained in the 4 day darkness retreat will disappear quickly.
To put my tin foil hat on. You have to wonder if the FO hasn't leaked that sentiment to certain "journalists" to prepare the public for what's to come. It pre-sets a certain narrative that a lot of people will believe, whatever AR decides.
They can't just trade him some place he doesn't want to go. If they do he can just retire and then they are stuck with all his dead cap and zero comp.
This thing works best for both if they mutually decide how to proceed.
Here's a thought...how about they just start whacking his buddies they feel cannot help the team and see if he wants to come back. You know, act like a real GM and do what is best for the team instead of catering to your HoF QB.
@Chongo posted:Here's a thought...how about they just start whacking his buddies they feel cannot help the team and see if he wants to come back. You know, act like a real GM and do what is best for the team instead of catering to your HoF QB.
Decisions on whether to extend Lewis, Cobb, Crosby and Tonyan have to come before the end of the day today or they are all FA's. So we'll know if his buddies get whacked or not in short order.
@DH13 posted:To put my tin foil hat on. You have to wonder if the FO hasn't leaked that sentiment to certain "journalists" to prepare the public for what's to come. It pre-sets a certain narrative that a lot of people will believe, whatever AR decides.
There's no doubt Rodgers knows what's happening. Love's path is the same that Rodgers took and he knows exactly how Love feels and knows how management handled it after he sat 3 years. He's remarked a few times that he would understand if management wanted to move on from him.
Rodgers is no dummy. He understands the business and the timeline. I think he does one of two things... He either retires or agrees to play elsewhere. I say "agrees" because he can just retire if he doesn't want to play for "Team X."
My prediction, which is subject to change in less than 10 minutes:
Rodgers agrees to a trade but it won't be LV or NYJ. It will be somewhere like Tennessee or Miami. The compensation will not include a 1st round pick.
@Chongo posted:They can't just trade him some place he doesn't want to go. If they do he can just retire and then they are stuck with all his dead cap and zero comp.
This thing works best for both if they mutually decide how to proceed.
Here's a thought...how about they just start whacking his buddies they feel cannot help the team and see if he wants to come back. You know, act like a real GM and do what is best for the team instead of catering to your HoF QB.
Couldn't he just threaten to retire "if all his demands are not met".
Sure he can and if he chooses that, so be it. GB simply cannot keep drudging forward with Cobb, Big Dog, Crosby and the rest of the over-the-hill gang.
@Pakrz posted:Rodgers is no dummy. He understands the business and the timeline. I think he does one of two things... He either retires or agrees to play elsewhere. I say "agrees" because he can just retire if he doesn't want to play for "Team X."
My prediction, which is subject to change in less than 10 minutes:
Rodgers agrees to a trade but it won't be LV or NYJ. It will be somewhere like Tennessee or Miami. The compensation will not include a 1st round pick.
I think you're right about the Jets and Raiders. Rodgers won't play for the Jets and the Raiders will go in a different direction. The Raiders have a chance of landing one of the top 3 QBs in the draft without moving up. CAR is a sleeper. Some team(Jets) may offer a #1 pick but the compensation won't be what we are hoping for.
Related to the salary cap, also keep in mind that Rodgers has already stated he knows his cap number is an issue that will have to be adjusted if he decides to play.
Satori predicted Rodgers will decide to play and do it in GB. That might not be too far-fetched when you take a step back and look at it.
He'll be traded to the Jets for the same compensation they got for Favre. They'll use those assets to draft an edge rusher from USC. Though not a bloodline player.
Love will a SB in GB in (checking math) 2025. That's what the script says.
@packerboi posted:The main issue with this negotiated deal is twofold:
1.) It assumes Jordan Love is fine with this. While he is absolutely been a true soldier, kept his mouth shut and did precisely as Rodgers did in his 1st 3 years, there is nothing guaranteed he will want to sit yet again in 2023. Additionally, it seems there is more chatter in the locker room (D. Campbell, R. Douglas, A. Jones) that were saying last season that Love looked ready in '22. Love could demand a trade. Yes, contractually there is not much he can do to force one, but this could end up being a divided locker room at some point in 2023, especially if Rodgers or the offense doesn't play well. That could get very ugly for MLF and I really don't think the Packers want that kind of drama.
Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall at agent David Dunn's office ?
What a crazy scenario having both QBs under the same agent while this is all going down. I don't think Love will demand a trade and as noted, not much he can do about it anyways
The divided locker room is an interesting consderation. I don't think it would occur organically, they're all professionals and they don't get sucked into the crapola that fans do.
But the schefturds of the world would be poking sticks and stirring pots at every opportunity trying to create a shit storm so they can cover it.
A 3 game losing streak would be a frenzy for those media numbnuts
Rodgers contract is only bad in Green Bay. If he gets traded, the team receiving him has a manageable contract.
We also don't know shit about what is happening right now. That Rodgers will only play one more year is an assumption. I feel like the trade compensation would be strong (just not as strong as last year coming off the MVP and Russell Wilson making teams think twice about trading for a QB from another system)
How many teams wouldn't trade for Favre's 2009. It ended in the most Favre way possible, but when have the vikings been closer to a superbowl.
@Blair Kiel posted:If the Packers get out of his damn contract, irregardless I could care less about what they get for him.
The Bears have nearly $100 million in cap space. If the Packers organization were serious about trading him and maximizing a return no team is better set nor more thirsty than the Midgets of the Midway.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:We also don't know shit about what is happening right now.
embrace the shitlessness
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:How many teams wouldn't trade for Favre's 2009. It ended in the most Favre way possible, but when have the vikings been closer to a superbowl.
Maybe Gary Anderson would like to answer that.
touché
Unfortunately when Rodgers says the cap hit is an issue and he'll work it out, he really means getting the same cash and pushing it out to voidable years. He's not taking a pay cut.
If I were Gute, I'd cut all his buddies and tell him that with his cap hit and salary, they can't afford to keep aging players just to placate him. They could when he was an MVP, but not when he's just a top 12ish QB. It's the truth and the reality when you're not a top QB anymore. See how he responds and roll with it.
@DH13 posted:Two incredible moments in NFL history.
Let's not forget the icing on the cake. Green having Cunningham taking knees at the end of regulation, Vikes lose the coin toss, Falcons kick a FG without the Vikes touching the ball in OT.
Twelve years and 100 pages for this thread. Is that a record?
@CUPackFan posted:Unfortunately when Rodgers says the cap hit is an issue and he'll work it out, he really means getting the same cash and pushing it out to voidable years. He's not taking a pay cut.
If I were Gute, I'd cut all his buddies and tell him that with his cap hit and salary, they can't afford to keep aging players just to placate him. They could when he was an MVP, but not when he's just a top 12ish QB. It's the truth and the reality when you're not a top QB anymore. See how he responds and roll with it.
Maybe we'll see soon enough how Rodgers reacts as the FO let seven contracts void today: Amos, Lowry, Reed, Tonyan, Cobb, Lewis, Crosby. So, now it's a matter of if the FO resigns them or not. Let the games of chicken begin!
@Fandame posted:Maybe we'll see soon enough how Rodgers reacts as the FO let seven contracts void today: Amos, Lowry, Reed, Tonyan, Cobb, Lewis, Crosby. So, now it's a matter of if the FO resigns them or not. Let the games of chicken begin!
I would like four maybe five back. Five being Cobb, he showed me he still has it in his limited snaps last year.
@D J posted:The Bears have nearly $100 million in cap space. If the Packers organization were serious about trading him and maximizing a return no team is better set nor more thirsty than the Midgets of the Midway.
But that would have give to give the Bears another owner.
He’s about as old as Virginia, maybe it would work out.
Chad Henne has more Super Bowl rings than Aaron Rodgers
Only a dipshit would compare Chad Henne to Aaron Rodgers.
And Robert Horry has more that Michael Jordan. Dumb argument.
Doesn’t mean henne is better than Rodgers. Just an odd fact.
