@Blair Kiel posted:Rodgers is a perfect example of every crazy person I’ve ever met..totally unaware that they’re nuts.
He's a different cat for sure, but I wouldn't associate what he does with craziness. The cleansing, darkness retreats or whatever else he does is practiced by many people.
His biggest problem is that he talks about it. The man loves attention.
With all the things he's open with, may we never find out all the things Rodgers is keeping private.
Any word on if he emerged, seeing his shadow?
The ultimate question: Are the Packers Super Bowl contenders if Aaron comes back?
Rodgers emerging from darkness
@YATittle posted:The ultimate question: Are the Packers Super Bowl contenders if Aaron comes back?
No, they aren't, and they wouldn't be with Love at the helm either. With Rodgers, it will be a trick just keeping him healthy for another year; he wasn't last year and now it's another year of wear and tear. If Rodgers wants to play with only his ol' buddies, well, Cobb isn't doing much these days. Lewis can still block and catch a meaningful ball or two but he's not a threat to bust open down the seam so it limits the offense. Tonyan would make a decent #2, but he's not back to proving he can be a #1 and he was just coming into his own before the injury so the jury's still out. Bak is still Bak -- if he's healthy, and they are having to manage him a lot more carefully these days. Crosby is still accurate and pretty much clutch, but his kickoffs put a lot of pressure on the KO team to stop a guy. There are young guys that could be developed, including Love.
We would not be in the running for the SB with Love either, but it's time to get some guys on the field to see what they can do and open up the roster to build for the future. I just feel like another year of Rodgers and keeping "the gang" together is just going to be a wasted, expensive year.
Somewhere I read he went in on Tuesday... so he only lasted 2 days versus the 4?
@H5 posted:Somewhere I read he went in on Tuesday... so he only lasted 2 days versus the 4?
Time flies when you are having fun
@YATittle posted:The ultimate question: Are the Packers Super Bowl contenders if Aaron comes back?
They need a decent TE badly. Other that that, they are good enough at DB, WR (with another year for Watson/Doubs), RB, QB (whoever it is), and LB to compete for a title.
But it really all comes down to how good their OL and DL is. They lacked an elite edge rusher once Gary went down. The DL guys they weren't awful, but almost every true title contender wins when they can put pressure on rushing with only 4 guys.
The OL was not very good last year, but if Bakh and Jenkins are back healthy, all of a sudden that's a top 5 OL. Two Pro Bowl guys on the line can make up for a lot of deficiencies at the other spots by allowing you to shift your protections to give help to the other 3 guys and leave Bakh and Jenkins to handle things 1 x1.
Ideally, they need 2 decent TEs and another good OG or RT for depth. But what they need more than anything is a pass rusher.
Unless Savage comes out of nowhere and morphs into a decent safety and Adrian Amos hops into a time machine and can go back 3 years, they have a big problem there.
The Packers will almost certainly move on from Amos. Savage is only here because Gute stupidly picked up his 5th year. Keep in mind that's the same kid who got benched, he was that bad.
So that means a new rookie at safety and maybe a younger vet there. That's it.
The Packers also have a below average, at best, defensive coordinator who can't adjust or figure out how to use the personnel he has and use their best attributes.
This team is nowhere near a SB contender, with or without AR.
And a kicker that is as accurate as Mason.
@Fandame posted:We would not be in the running for the SB with Love either, but it's time to get some guys on the field to see what they can do and open up the roster to build for the future. I just feel like another year of Rodgers and keeping "the gang" together is just going to be a wasted, expensive year.
Lions and Packers ended the season similarly, but if you asked the fan bases if they'd be excited about bringing back the same guys next year you'd probably get different answers.
It's a lot more exciting getting behind a team on the upswing. You're the young scrappy team, expectations are low, you get to appreciate the rise of the club.
We're just...floundering. Another year of one-and-done in the playoffs is meaningless with the same "gang" on the field. Been there done that. More fun to watch the young guys rise thru the ranks than the old guys flounder.
@packerboi posted:Unless Savage comes out of nowhere and morphs into a decent safety and Adrian Amos hops into a time machine and can go back 3 years, they have a big problem there.
The Packers will almost certainly move on from Amos. Savage is only here because Gute stupidly picked up his 5th year. Keep in mind that's the same kid who got benched, he was that bad.
I think Savage might be the nickle CB going into 2023 and Rasul Douglas shifted to FS. Rasul has enough vet smarts and athleticism to handle that spot for 1-2 seasons while GB drafts/grooms his replacement. That leaves Jaire and Stokes outside and somebody needs to step up at SS
Last spring, the Packers drafted Tariq Carpenter - a 6'3 230 lb Safety who runs 4.47 and is known as a tackling machine. He played sparingly (16 snaps) on D but racked up 125 snaps on STs in 2022. He will get a shot at SS this year along with any draft choices.
Draft write up:
"A four-year starter at Georgia Tech, Carpenter played a box safety role in head coach Geoff Collins’ 4-2-5 scheme, also seeing snaps deep and vs. the slot.
Despite not receiving an invite to the NFL Combine, he put together a solid college career and posted testing numbers at his pro day that have the attention of NFL
teams. Although he might be caught between linebacker and safety, Carpenter has the size, speed and explosive traits that can be molded . He is at his best in the box with his flow-and-chase skills"
@packerboi posted:The Packers will almost certainly move on from Amos. Savage is only here because Gute stupidly picked up his 5th year. Keep in mind that's the same kid who got benched, he was that bad.
Of all the criticism Gute has gotten, nothing is more deserved than criticism for exercising that 5th year option. Savage was never a good player. He was always a liability and underachiever and that move alone makes me question Gute. That 5th year option will probably cost the Packers Lazard.
Douglas probably will be a S just because he's one of the top 4 DBs on the team and not a speed guy suited fir the outside. Savage might start out as the nickel back but he'll probably play his way off the field. Gary was the draft pick that was scrutinized for being picked as high as he was but the truth is Savage had no business being a #1 pick.
@YATittle posted:The ultimate question: Are the Packers Super Bowl contenders if Aaron comes back?
No!
@Pakrz posted:He's a different cat for sure, but I wouldn't associate what he does with craziness. The cleansing, darkness retreats or whatever else he does is practiced by many people.
His biggest problem is that he talks about it. The man loves attention.
Keel looking down on others. I, for one am shocked by this revelation
I like the idea of Rasul free ranging out there.
No confidence Barry knows his head from his ass
What if they’re one in the same?
Rasul as a ball-hawking S is going to be boom or bust. He'll make some great plays, but I bet he'll be out of position on others because he'll gamble a bit. Still, I'd like to see him in that role. He has the guts to not be afraid to make a play, something that Savage has not had.
Rodgers catching some strays in the latest article about Russel Wilson and Hackett in Denver:
Hackett was Green Bay’s offensive coordinator in 2019, the year first-time head coach Matt LaFleur took over after Aaron Rodgers spent 13 years in Mike McCarthy’s offense. Early in the partnership, multiple Packers players said LaFleur would sometimes present a new concept or play in an offensive meeting only to have Rodgers shoot it down.
“I don’t want to do that again,” Hackett said, according to the coach. “I want this transition [with WIlson] to be as easy and fluid and quick as possible.”
Goes on to say that Hackett perhaps because of his experience in GB basically gave Wilson free reign to most of what he wanted, which included giving Wilson his own office, letting him have his own personal training staff and letting him draw up his own plays. Obviously, bad idea.
@Fandame posted:Rasul as a ball-hawking S is going to be boom or bust. He'll make some great plays, but I bet he'll be out of position on others because he'll gamble a bit. Still, I'd like to see him in that role. He has the guts to not be afraid to make a play, something that Savage has not had.
Packers are probably gonna suck next year no matter what. I would rather see an aggressive D taking chances ,blitzing and flying to the ball than a D that looks lost as receivers run free and teams rush for over 200 a game.
@Packiderm posted:Packers are probably gonna suck next year no matter what. I would rather see an aggressive D taking chances ,blitzing and flying to the ball than a D that looks lost as receivers run free and teams rush for over 200 a game.
Totally agree. Not going to happen with Barry though. It feels like they're almost throwing the year away before it even starts by keeping that clown around. It will likely be the end of MLF at some point.
@PackerRick posted:Douglas probably will be a S just because he's one of the top 4 DBs on the team and not a speed guy suited fir the outside. Savage might start out as the nickel back but he'll probably play his way off the field. Gary was the draft pick that was scrutinized for being picked as high as he was but the truth is Savage had no business being a #1 pick.
He ran a 4.36 which vaulted him up draft boards.
In the end, he was scouted accurately out of college. He was just overdrafted. He should have been a 3rd-4th round pick that provided good depth, a guy that could be a decent starter eventually, and would excel as a gunner on special teams. The pick wasn't the worst part. Picking up the 8 million dollar option was idiotic.
https://bleacherreport.com/art...een-bay-packers-pick
WEAKNESSES
—Small (5'11", 198 lbs) for a top-end safety; might be typecast as a nickel player.
—Not a hitter; small body bounces off runners and results in missed tackles.
—Doesn't play above the rim well and is more likely to attack the receiver after the catch than challenge a 50-50 ball.
—Allows more space in the route than you'd like, which often results in giving up more yards after catch and letting receivers or tight ends run past him post-catch.
OVERALL
With excellent speed and instincts, Savage is a blast to watch, but he could be judged harshly by NFL teams that want more size and length at the position. He has the athleticism and experience to hit the field immediately in sub-packages and could be a starter at free safety soon.
GRADE: 6.30 (ROUND 3—ROOKIE IMPACT)
PRO COMPARISON: Adrian Amos
@Chongo posted:It's like glamping for those with a Hobbit fetish...
"Spend 4 glorious darkened days in the grandest of Hobbit Holes in all the Shire..."
I wonder if he was able to eat his elevenses?
@vitaflo posted:Rodgers catching some strays in the latest article about Russel Wilson and Hackett in Denver:
Hackett was Green Bay’s offensive coordinator in 2019, the year first-time head coach Matt LaFleur took over after Aaron Rodgers spent 13 years in Mike McCarthy’s offense. Early in the partnership, multiple Packers players said LaFleur would sometimes present a new concept or play in an offensive meeting only to have Rodgers shoot it down.
“I don’t want to do that again,” Hackett said, according to the coach. “I want this transition [with WIlson] to be as easy and fluid and quick as possible.”
Goes on to say that Hackett perhaps because of his experience in GB basically gave Wilson free reign to most of what he wanted, which included giving Wilson his own office, letting him have his own personal training staff and letting him draw up his own plays. Obviously, bad idea.
I’m really looking forward to seeing MLF’s offense with a QB who will actually run it the way MLF wants it run.
@Fandame posted:No, they aren't, and they wouldn't be with Love at the helm either. With Rodgers, it will be a trick just keeping him healthy for another year; he wasn't last year and now it's another year of wear and tear. If Rodgers wants to play with only his ol' buddies, well, Cobb isn't doing much these days. Lewis can still block and catch a meaningful ball or two but he's not a threat to bust open down the seam so it limits the offense. Tonyan would make a decent #2, but he's not back to proving he can be a #1 and he was just coming into his own before the injury so the jury's still out. Bak is still Bak -- if he's healthy, and they are having to manage him a lot more carefully these days. Crosby is still accurate and pretty much clutch, but his kickoffs put a lot of pressure on the KO team to stop a guy. There are young guys that could be developed, including Love.
We would not be in the running for the SB with Love either, but it's time to get some guys on the field to see what they can do and open up the roster to build for the future. I just feel like another year of Rodgers and keeping "the gang" together is just going to be a wasted, expensive year.
Link?
@FinnLander posted:I wonder if he was able to eat his elevenses?
Given the challenges of shitting in that environment, I hope not.
long, painful season
@Packiderm posted:Packers are probably gonna suck next year no matter what. I would rather see an aggressive D taking chances ,blitzing and flying to the ball than a D that looks lost as receivers run free and teams rush for over 200 a game.
A Packer team with a healthy Rodgers (If he remains in GB) at QB is not going to suck.
