To be fair, Brohm wasn't a quality backup.
@PackerRick posted:Of all the criticism Gute has gotten, nothing is more deserved than criticism for exercising that 5th year option. Savage was never a good player. He was always a liability and underachiever and that move alone makes me question Gute. That 5th year option will probably cost the Packers Lazard.
I can see Gute going after Safety Brian Branch with the Packers' pick at 15. That is, if Branch is still on the board. Bucky Brooks mocked Branch to the Packers in his most recent mock draft. I think that Savage will be relegated to being a slot corner, if he stays. I can see Rasul moving to Safety, as well. As for Amos, I think his time in GB is over. I think Gute likes what he as seen from Rudy Ford, too. So, some additions and moves, in our secondary, are coming.
Not sure if this has been brought up, but if Rodgers was in fact playing outside of MLF's system and the team knew it while MLF didn't do anything to about it, what's not to say the head coach has not already lost the respect of this team?
Not knowing of course the reality of the situation and commenting only as an outsider looking in, MLF seemed more interested in being best friends and contemporaries with the MVP rather than his coach. I think this was apparent to AR too and he ran with it. I guess I'm questioning the head coach's leadership in the past and moving forward.
It’s a decent year for DBs in R1 so would not surprise me one bit to see the Packers take one at 15. Savage isn’t a long term solution and they need more help at safety.
This team doesn’t know how to draft anything but. Might as well draft another one and let him bust
@michiganjoe posted:Interesting thing about Brohm was the Packers drafted him after AR played so well in Dallas (claim I've heard that the team was just looking for a quality backup strikes me as silly).
Moving on and seeing what Jordan Love actually has is the only correct move if you're interested in the long-term best interest of the franchise. Just hope the FO has the guts to make the correct call.
The Packers were so unsure of Rodgers that they drafted 2 QBs in that draft, Brohm and Flynn. After 6-6 games the Packers gave Rodgers a long term deal but I think he would have been a FA after that season. They didn't have to flirt with a $20 mil 5th year option back then.
Always interesting to me that Flynn had a stronger career than Brohm.
@michiganjoe posted:Interesting thing about Brohm was the Packers drafted him after AR played so well in Dallas (claim I've heard that the team was just looking for a quality backup strikes me as silly).
Drafted after AR's Dallas game and after Favre retired and AR was anointed as starter. And you had the famous videos after the draft of ESPN saying Brohm should be the starter over Rodgers because Brohm has way more upside. Brohm was the third QB taken in that draft (after Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco). He wasn't drafted to be the backup, he was drafted for competition and as an insurance policy in case Rodgers was a bust.
@Tavis Smiley posted:Not sure if this has been brought up, but if Rodgers was in fact playing outside of MLF's system and the team knew it while MLF didn't do anything to about it, what's not to say the head coach has not already lost the respect of this team?
Not knowing of course the reality of the situation and commenting only as an outsider looking in, MLF seemed more interested in being best friends and contemporaries with the MVP rather than his coach. I think this was apparent to AR too and he ran with it. I guess I'm questioning the head coach's leadership in the past and moving forward.
Rodgers probably improvised so much and had so much success in the past that it was considered routine, almost part of the playbook. It's fine when a player has the skills to make it work. There are multiple options on pass plays and Rodgers seemed more willing to throw the deep ball than try to move the sticks throwing into a tight window. So now it's more of a judgement thing rather than just playing outside the system. Rodgers would be a tough guy to coach for MLF because of his stature, they are about the same age, MLF is a first time HC, and Rodgers has a little prima donna in him.
@PackerRick posted:and Rodgers has a little LOT prima donna in him.
FTFY! 
Is that what we are looking for in a QB now? A truly humble QB
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Is that what we are looking for in a QB now? A truly humble QB
We had one sixty years ago.
@YATittle posted:Always interesting to me that Flynn had a stronger career than Brohm.
And #1 overall pick Jamarcus Russell who he played behind at LSU.
There are a lot of personality types in between humble and prima donna. Probably 60 of them are playing QB in the NFL.
@YATittle posted:Always interesting to me that Flynn had a stronger career than Brohm.
Recall the beat reporters saying in camp that Flynn looked like the second rounder and Brohm the seventh rounder.
Always has been and remains the hardest position to evaluate.
@Tavis Smiley posted:Not sure if this has been brought up, but if Rodgers was in fact playing outside of MLF's system and the team knew it while MLF didn't do anything to about it, what's not to say the head coach has not already lost the respect of this team?
Not knowing of course the reality of the situation and commenting only as an outsider looking in, MLF seemed more interested in being best friends and contemporaries with the MVP rather than his coach. I think this was apparent to AR too and he ran with it. I guess I'm questioning the head coach's leadership in the past and moving forward.
It definitely appears to be a pattern that MLF is not assertive enough or just plain lacks the ability to make decisions and truly lead this team. I think he just wants to be everyone's buddy and is not head coach material.
"Not assertive" is the impression I got at his intro press conference. Does not appear to have the "swagger" that most of the top coaches do.
Nathaniel Hackett treated Russell Wilson like Matt LaFleur treated Aaron Rodgers
The in-depth article from Kalyn Kahler, Mike Sando and Jayson Jenks at The Athletic suggested that the dynamic between quarterback and coach mirrored how things started between Matt LaFleur, head coach of the Packers, and Aaron Rodgers, the star quarterback. Hackett, at the time, was the team’s offensive coordinator, watching it unfold.
Reportedly, LaFleur would suggest new ideas in offensive meetings that he wanted the team to explore and Rodgers would flex his authority and shoot them down. According to the report, one coach in Denver thinks absorbing that dynamic is what led to Hackett letting Wilson walk all over him. At least, that’s how the report portrays their relationship.
Maybe Hackett thought quarterbacks were the lead decision makers for the football team, and not the coach. That might be true in Green Bay, but it shouldn’t have been in Denver.
Sean Payton, the new head coach of the Denver Broncos, has already said Wilson will not be allowed to have a personal, non-team coach in the facility. Expect his personal office to be taken away, too.
@FLPACKER posted:"Not assertive" is the impression I got at his intro press conference. Does not appear to have the "swagger" that most of the top coaches do.
Per a NFC GM......"Looks like he's going to cry every time things go bad."
@ammo posted:Ghanans. (sp)
Yeah, your spelling definitely sucked.😂 Plus Keel is a Nigerian. The worst Africans.
@13X posted:It definitely appears to be a pattern that MLF is not assertive enough or just plain lacks the ability to make decisions and truly lead this team. I think he just wants to be everyone's buddy and is not head coach material.
He drives me crazy.
@FLPACKER posted:"Not assertive" is the impression I got at his intro press conference. Does not appear to have the "swagger" that most of the top coaches do.
He’s a pussy!
@PackerRick posted:Nathaniel Hackett treated Russell Wilson like Matt LaFleur treated Aaron Rodgers
The in-depth article from Kalyn Kahler, Mike Sando and Jayson Jenks at The Athletic suggested that the dynamic between quarterback and coach mirrored how things started between Matt LaFleur, head coach of the Packers, and Aaron Rodgers, the star quarterback. Hackett, at the time, was the team’s offensive coordinator, watching it unfold.
Reportedly, LaFleur would suggest new ideas in offensive meetings that he wanted the team to explore and Rodgers would flex his authority and shoot them down. According to the report, one coach in Denver thinks absorbing that dynamic is what led to Hackett letting Wilson walk all over him. At least, that’s how the report portrays their relationship.
Maybe Hackett thought quarterbacks were the lead decision makers for the football team, and not the coach. That might be true in Green Bay, but it shouldn’t have been in Denver.
Sean Payton, the new head coach of the Denver Broncos, has already said Wilson will not be allowed to have a personal, non-team coach in the facility. Expect his personal office to be taken away, too.
Hackett got his chance by allowing 12 to walk all over him.
@Goalline posted:Yeah, your spelling definitely sucked.😂 Plus Keel is a Nigerian. The worst Africans.
We have a summer home in South Sudan. Talk about a bunch of losers.
I don’t think 12 is as complicated as we think. He’s self serving, opportunistic, and a complete narcissist. But that’s not his fault. MLF and Gute and MM enabled that SOB not unlike what’s happened with Russ both in Seattle and now in Denver.
Yes Aaron Rodgers should have exercised greater self awareness and restraint. But if the team allows it to happen then fuck them.
The more I think about this the more I’m convinced Rodgers will return because no one in the GB leadership structure has the balls to stand up to him. In fact, don’t be surprised if they “restructure” his deal and backload more years and dollars because 12 has them dead to rights. He can use all the outside interest from the Jets and Raiders to increase his leverage even more.
I really hope I’m 100% wrong on this, but the more things change the more they stay the same. Murphy is on a 2 year timeline and no changes to the HC or FO will be made on what’s left of his watch, not all that unlike when Barry Alvarez mailed it in, I mean, retired.
@YATittle posted:Always interesting to me that Flynn had a stronger career than Brohm.
I think it's an excellent example of how drafts are crapshoots. Scouts can measure height, weight, speed and similar metrics, and they evaluate arm strength, making reads and progressions, etc., but they can't do either when it comes to having a will to win. Flynn had that in spades.
FWIW, I think AR does, too. TOG had it, and perhaps needed it more than ARod, but Flynn had to overcome much more than both of them.
@michiganjoe posted:Recall the beat reporters saying in camp that Flynn looked like the second rounder and Brohm the seventh rounder.
Always has been and remains the hardest position to evaluate.
IIRC, the big knock on Flynn was he was short, perhaps too short to play effectively at the NFL level.
He just had some bad luck, timing-wise. Getting stuck behind Russell in college, and going to Seattle when they got Wilson.
Flynn used up all his luck in the dating pool
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if AR is back just because no one wants to stand up and say they're moving on; from the FO to MLF, Rodgers has them cowed. The funny thing is, I think the fans would back up the FO/coaches if they say they are done with Rodgers. Everyone seems to be getting tired of his schtick. Fans seem to take their "ownership" of the club to a higher level and unlike what a "real" owner may want, they think it's time for Rodgers to move on and Love to start.
I'm telling you, Love is MORE READY than Rodgers was when Favre retired.
Save this quote and throw it in my face in the future.
Flynn made like 20 million dollars playing football, guy is plenty lucky
No matter if Rodgers comes back, or not, someone, and preferably no one from the FO, has to sit down with Love, and tell him when it's your turn to lead this team, don't pull the same BS the previous two guys did. Be a Bart, not a Brett or a Complicated Guy.
Only if you promise to wear it to a game. Kiel approves of this.
