Is Herschel Walker available?
@Harry Manback posted:Now, the all in crowd makes the point that our best shot at winning a SB this year is with AR under center. I get that too. I don't know how much more we could go "all in" this year than we did last year, but hey - one more shot, right?
They could fortify the D-line, hire a good special teams coordinator, get a viable #2 wideout and not hope castoffs can save the day.
Of course not having a viable left tackle in a playoff game has been a huge factor the last two years. They got by a good chunk of last (regular) season, but the playoffs are a much different animal. With Bak (or maybe Jenkins this year) we're probably talking at least back-to-back Super Bowl appearances even with the other issues. The tackle spots were exploited in the playoffs by good defenses.
Sure, he hasnât been great in the playoffs. But I do love beating the shit out of the Bears every year.
@Tschmack posted:So if Iâm GB, I donât care about the 2023 Denver 1st rounder. Iâd rather get that 64th pick this year instead.
I am struggling to find even a shred of logic in this statement.
Are you suggesting that the last pick in the 2nd round of this yearâs draft is someone how much better than the last pick (at worst) in the 1st Round of next yearâs draft??? Seriously? Is this yearâs draft so deep that the 64th pick will be better than a 1st rounder next year?
Even if their evaluation of Love proves to be incorrect I still don't see his drafting as a mistake. Team had an aging QB and you need to trust your draft board, just as they did with AR.
I do believe had AR not thrown a temper tantrum at the pick many fans would have been more accepting of it.
@michiganjoe posted:Even if their evaluation of Love proves to be incorrect I still don't see his drafting as a mistake. Team had an aging QB and you need to trust your draft board, just as they did with AR.
I do believe had AR not thrown a temper tantrum at the pick many fans would have been more accepting of it.
Itâs also at least plausible that Aaron Rodgers doesnât play nearly as well as he does if Love isnât drafted. Love was very likely a significant motivator in Rodgers elevating his game to prove to the FO that drafting his replacement was a mistake.
It resulted in 2 MVP seasons. Regardless of how Love turns out, some will say that alone made the pick worth it.
@Harry Manback posted:If AR is leaving, there may not be a choice but to let him go. Which is fine. If AR's staying, then it makes sense to try.
Watch AR say heâs made his decision and heâs staying in GB, and the FO say âgreat!â and turns around and trades him for a kingâs ransom anyway.
That would go over great with players
@michiganjoe posted:Even if their evaluation of Love proves to be incorrect I still don't see his drafting as a mistake.
Agreed.
For the segment of the fan base for whom the Packer FRONT OFFICE is incapable of making mistakes.
If using a 1st and 4th round pick on a player who never takes a snap in Green Bay and gets nothing back in return for the franchise -- when the team had just come off of an NFC Championship game appearance and was primed for SB runs does not scream GENIUS nothing does.
Indeed, Gute ought to retrospectively be named the NFC Executive of the year for 2020.
Now, with the question of the shrewdness of the drafting of Love settled, it is time to tackle other blasphemous statements that have so chafed the good and loyal FRONT OFFICE fans the past several years.
Can all thinking Packer fans now finally agree that choosing Kevin King over that other guy was the right call (especially when ya figure we also got Vince Biegel out of the deal)? And don't forget about re-signing Kevin last offseason, just another awesome move.
Is it also time to admit hiring Shawn Mennenga over Darren Rizzi, at the right price of course, was what any quality FRONT OFFICE looking at its bottom line would have done?
And the tendency to promote from within at STs Coordinator Slocum-Zook-Drayton, nothing leads to success like Packer continuity.
Should we re-visit the Mandarich pick? Rich Campbell over Ronnie Lott?
Outside the bubble of Packer fans who celebrate NFC North Titles like they mean something, no one who follows the NFL to any degree seriously contends that, as of today, drafting Jordan Love was a good idea.
There are plenty of thinking people who are willing to see if Love still might prove worthy of the selection with his play on the field in the future before making a final judgement, however.
But only the most loyal lap dog FRONT OFFICE fans are unwilling to consider that Love selection might well have been a stupid and colassal mistake that contributed to the Pack's FAILURE to reach the SB in 2020 and 2021.
If the choice is Denverâs 1 this year, Denverâs 2 this year, and their 1 next year, then yeah Iâd rather have 4 picks v 3 picks. Meaning their 1 and both 2s this year and their 2 next year.
Denverâs 1 next year will likely be in the 25-30 range. Their 2 2nd round picks in 2022 are 40 and 64. I want that extra 2 this year even if it means you only get a 2nd next year. That would give GB 5 picks in the first 2 rounds. In a draft that is deep at WR and LB I want as many picks this year as possible.
I am also firmly of the belief that drafting Love helped rekindle the fire that Rodgers needed given his performance(s) in the previous few seasons.
@SteveLuke posted:But only the most loyal lap dog FRONT OFFICE fans are unwilling to consider that Love selection might well have been a stupid and colassal mistake that contributed to the Pack's FAILURE to reach the SB in 2020 and 2021.
I'd lean more towards an MVP/HOF QB who played small in those games, underachieved, and didn't elevate his players in both games. And in 2020, a defense that picked Brady 3 times and had nothing to show for it.
@SteveLuke posted:Agreed.
For the segment of the fan base for whom the Packer FRONT OFFICE is incapable of making mistakes.
The segment of the fan base that literally does not exist. You look like an idiot every time you bring it up and ends with the rest of your post being ignored.
@SteveLuke posted:For the segment of the fan base for whom the Packer FRONT OFFICE is incapable of making mistakes.
Don't think there's anyone better on this forum at second-guessing the FO with the benefit of hindsight than yourself.
so who was the magical player available at the time Love was selected that would have put this team over the top? who was it? you got a couple of years of 20/20 hindsight.
@Floridarob posted:so who was the magical player available at the time Love was selected that would have put this team over the top? who was it? you got a couple of years of 20/20 hindsight.
Maybe it was the 4th rounder
@michiganjoe posted:Don't think there's anyone better on this forum at second-guessing the FO with the benefit of hindsight than yourself.
Like I said, the loyal FRONT OFFICE fans will be there through thick and thin.
The same voices bitching the loudest about Rodgers failures/attitude/issues, will be praising Gute, Murph, and Russ for bringing him back for another if it happens.
That ain't second guessing, that is just acknowledging how the fans incapable of seeing the FRONT OFFFICE'S culpability for getting to as many SBs as the Lions-Vikes-Bears-Jags-Texans--Jets and so many other great franchises over the last 11 years.
@Floridarob posted:so who was the magical player available at the time Love was selected that would have put this team over the top? who was it? you got a couple of years of 20/20 hindsight.
No one. Not one player who was available in round 1 of the 2020 draft could have possibly helped the Packers get to the SB in 2020 or 2021.
Should have forfeited the 1st round pick and saved money on the cap (and the 4th rounder to boot).
A Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman would suck in GB and besides we got great WRs donchya know, it is just that stubborn #12 who won't throw to em.
But on the other hand if the FRONT OFFICE decides that we still need #12 to get back the big game, well then those guys know what they are doin' so we got to support em know matter what, right?
@SteveLuke posted:Like I said, the loyal FRONT OFFICE fans will be there through thick and thin.
The same voices bitching the loudest about Rodgers failures/attitude/issues, will be praising Gute, Murph, and Russ for bringing him back for another if it happens.
That ain't second guessing, that is just acknowledging how the fans incapable of seeing the FRONT OFFFICE'S culpability for getting to as many SBs as the Lions-Vikes-Bears-Jags-Texans--Jets and so many other great franchises over the last 11 years are gonna spin it when their heroes bring their villain back to Lambeau.
@packerboi posted:I'd lean more towards an MVP/HOF QB who played small in those games, underachieved, and didn't elevate his players in both games. And in 2020, a defense that picked Brady 3 times and had nothing to show for it.
Rodgers played poorly in the 49ers game and deserves all the criticism he is getting.
Rodgers was much better than Brady in the Bucs loss, but can still be criticized for his performance.
But Rodgers failures do not negate the reality that the FRONT OFFICE used its 1st and 4th round picks in 2020 on a player who contributed nothing, and indeed was expected to contribute nothing, to the team's playoff runs in 2020 and 2021.
Both can be and are true.
Only Rodgers fanboys and Company men FRONT OFFICE boot lickers are incapable of accepting criticism of their respective contributions to the Pack's SB drought.
Jesus Christ, what is all this??? Is there no middle ground or life outside of the GBP? Whatever happens, happens, and there will be a tomorrow.
@Floridarob posted:so who was the magical player available at the time Love was selected that would have put this team over the top? who was it? you got a couple of years of 20/20 hindsight.
It would have probably been one of these guys. It's hard to say who would have put them over the top. The thing that killed them the most this year was obviously the special teams and the Packers don't play starters on special teams.
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I know many of us are already assuming Love was a wasted pick, but look over the last 30 years. A number of franchises have missed on multiple QBs including those chosen in the Top 10.
Ryan Leaf (2nd overall), JaMarcus Russell (1st overall), Heath Schuler (3rd overall), Rick Mirer (2nd overall), Akili Smith (3rd overall), Tim Couch (1st overall), Joey Harrington (3rd overall), David Carr (1st overall), Vince Young (3rd overall), Matt Leinhart (10th).
Thereâs a lot more guys taken in R1 earlier than Love that didnât work out.
@SteveLuke posted:Rodgers played poorly in the 49ers game and deserves all the criticism he is getting.
Rodgers was much better than Brady in the Bucs loss, but can still be criticized for his performance.
But Rodgers failures do not negate the reality that the FRONT OFFICE used its 1st and 4th round picks in 2020 on a player who contributed nothing, and indeed was expected to contribute nothing, to the team's playoff runs in 2020 and 2021.
Both can be and are true.
Only Rodgers fanboys and Company men FRONT OFFICE boot lickers are incapable of accepting criticism of their respective contributions to the Pack's SB drought.
I agree with most of this. The one thing I will disagree with is that having a good backup QB available is not a bad thing, especially when you have a 37 year old starter who already missed significant parts of two seasons due to injuries after he turned 30. Their primary backup (Boyle) before this was a guy who threw for 1 TD and 13 interceptions in his D1 college career.
The criticisms are all up for debate (Rodgers, FO, MLF, Kevin King, decisions on who to activate from IR, etc.). However, in the end when they write retrospectives on the Rodgers era in 15 years, the biggest reason for the Packers not winning more than one title will be special teams play and the complete negligence on the part of the FO for letting it happen TWICE. The fact that the same team (with some of the same FO staff in place) that gagged up a trip to the Super Bowl because of special teams meltdowns in 2015 in Seattle allowed the same thing to happen 7 years later is indefensible. Especially when it was a problem obvious to anyone who watched them play, including MLF who was telling people the week of the playoff game that he hoped the special teams didn't lose the game for them.
@tsr86free posted:Jesus Christ, what is all this??? Is there no middle ground or life outside of the GBP? Whatever happens, happens, and there will be a tomorrow.
It's the hot take world we live in now. If you say something that even slightly deviates from the beliefs of another you are immediately labeled a radical "insert buzzword here".
I remember the middle ground. It did exist before all the MyFace and Snap Twitters took hold. 
@tsr86free posted:Jesus Christ, what is all this??? Is there no middle ground or life outside of the GBP? Whatever happens, happens, and there will be a tomorrow.
You must be new to social media
@PackerHawk posted:It's the hot take world we live in now. If you say something that even slightly deviates from the beliefs of another you are immediately labeled a radical "insert buzzword here".
I remember the middle ground. It did exist before all the MyFace and Snap Twitters took hold.
If we could only invent a time machine and go back and pay someone to date Mark Zuckerberg in 2003.
@tsr86free posted:Jesus Christ, what is all this??? Is there no middle ground or life outside of the GBP? Whatever happens, happens, and there will be a tomorrow.
Or you could just keep scrolling.
Rodgers will be back...
BREAKING: According to my sources.. @AaronRodgers12 will officially be returning to the Green Bay Packers.
â ð ŋïļat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) March 8, 2022
There is no deal in place currently but there is said to be a Cap Friendly deal on the way.
Retirement was a real consideration & in the end
ðĢ HE IS BACK WITH THE PACK pic.twitter.com/1lpdcLxyPL
The #Packers and MVP QB Aaron Rodgers have agreed to terms on a 4-year, $200M deal that makes him the highest paid player in NFL history, sources say. He gets a whopping $153M guaranteed and his cap number goes down. A monstrous commitment by GB for years to come. ð° ð° ð°
â Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 8, 2022
Oh fuck...some people gonna be ass-mad bout this one...
Love it. The best QB on the best Team. Now get to work and bring another title to Green Bay....
153M guaranteed.
Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, etc. just broke out the champagne bottles.
Jesus fu**
well we know where the recent owner sale money went.
Pat didnât name sources, isnât that a no no.
I've been away for a bit. Is Henry OK?
Also, in terms of AR, whatever.
Quite a statement from the organization about Jordan Love.
So that tells me they are planning for 12 to be here at least 3 more years...adios Nub.
Aaron Rodgers figures to be year-to-year for the rest of his illustrious career. But with a better working relationship and a new four-year, $200 million deal in place with the #Packers, per @RapSheet, it certainly appears the road is now paved to finish his career in Green Bay.
â Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) March 8, 2022
@Chongo posted:So that tells me they are planning for 12 to be here at least 3 more years...adios Nub.
Should be able to get a first and fourth for him
So what kind of trade value does our boy Jordan have? It's a weak QB class in 2022.
I'd be thrilled if Gute can get a 2nd rounder out of a trade. But I am not holding my breath.