Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

You hit the nail on the head MP2

The FO has handled this about as well as you can, from hiring a new ST coach, to bringing back Clements, to going on the record “we want him back” to “we will make him the highest paid guy” and if Rodgers now wants out?   He’s going to look like the bad guy.  And honestly for all of his bullshit prior to the 2021 season and running the FO through the ringer only to be a primary reason they came up short to end this way?   Good luck with that legacy Rodgers.  I think the FO is getting over big time.  Only way he can make amends in the court of public opinion is to win it all.  That’s far from certain regardless of where he’s playing.

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos...cted-tuesday-march-8

@Tschmack posted:

While I wouldn’t mind Rodgers returning, it would be an absolute presser cooker for him and the team to win it all to validate the decision.  

Yes, they would likely win the division handily and be a top seed in the NFC but how has that worked out for them the last decade or so?  The past 2 years in particular haven’t been a lot of fun the way things ended, and the offseason(s) have been brutal.

While I don’t have a high degree of confidence in Love, the beauty of the situation is if he continues to suck they will have high draft picks and they won’t be committed to him for huge $$.   Given what capital they could net in a Rodgers trade it’s possible they could reset in a hurry.   It’s not like the team and coaching staff and FO are in shambles.  

It would almost exactly the situation Giannis and the Bucks were in about a year ago. The Bucks could have won the #1 seed in the East last year by 10 games and it would have meant zero if they lost in the playoffs.

The Packers could go 17-0 and it wouldn't matter. It's all about the playoffs.

The only thing Giannis was probably waiting for was to make sure the Bucks ownership wasn't going to cheap out and would spend what it would take to compete (like signing a third max player in Holiday). He went all-in in December 2020 and signed the super-max.

The Packers have spent cap money and/or done restructures like a drunken sailor the last two offseasons to mortgage the future to try to win and Rodgers still isn't sure what he wants to do. I get him being upset after the 2020 draft, but they done everything he wants since and he's still wavering? Even if he comes back, you have to wonder how he'll react when things get tough this season. The Packers were never in danger of not making the playoffs after midseason and there wasn't a lot of pressure on anyone. As soon as there was, he played scared in the playoff game.

If Giannis would have reacted to pressure like Rodgers has recently, the Nets would have swept the Bucks last season in the playoffs.

The other problem any team that Rodgers is on next year will have is whether he is coachable at all. As good as he is, you still have to be willing to make adjustments. Maybe he'll be OK with Hackett in Denver, but any other team trading for him will have to wonder if it's going to be his way 100% of the time no matter what happens.

@13X posted:

Totally agree. Fuck Rodgers.

The Packers stepped out on Rodgers.  Fuck Gute.

Rodgers says he wants to be a Packer for life and play to 40.   Gute promptly moves up in the draft to waste a 1st rounder on Love.  That will go down as one of the stupidest moves in Packer history.

Passing on T J W was literally the dumbest move I can think of in recent history.   They could have traded future 1s for Love and still wouldn’t make up for that debacle.  

King, Biegel, spending the 12th overall pick on Gary and 100M on the Smiths.  Certainly the Packers don’t sign both Preston and Z if W is there and they may not have drafted Gary at 12.  Plenty of money and draft capital that could have been used to upgrade the team.

So yeah, Love looks like a wasted pick but passing on the other guy that will be in the HOF and was a position of need is a once in a lifetime fuck up.   Maybe not on the level of Mandarich, but damn close given the other dominoes that fell.

@BrainDed posted:

The Packers stepped out on Rodgers.  Fuck Gute.

Rodgers says he wants to be a Packer for life and play to 40.   Gute promptly moves up in the draft to waste a 1st rounder on Love.  That will go down as one of the stupidest moves in Packer history.

I completely agree that the drafting of Love in the 1st round was idiotic. Let's not forget that he wasted a 4th rounder as well and then MLF looked like he won the lottery when they showed his reaction. A whole LOT of stupidity by the organization right there. Almost as dumb as not replacing the Special Teams Coordinator with the worst unit in the league before it cost you a playoff game. Sorry I digress.

My biggest issue with AR at this point is his constant wavering and bullshit. I think he knows what he wants but he just can't get enough attention so he wants people to have to wait until the last minute and make it as dramatic and suspenseful as possible. I'm just sick and tired of his beautiful mystery bullshit. I've lost all confidence that he can win another  Superbowl as well. If he is still wavering at this point that would tell me that he's not all in going forward unless there is another reasonable explanation....

Is he going to broadcast the decision ala LeBron?  

Take his talents to Denver?  As much of a trainwreck that was back in 2010 this w/12 might be a lot more entertaining!  Make it happen!

Gonna be a lot of pissed off people when GB gets the MVP to play for them next year

And this place will be unbearable when the season ending injury happens in week 3

@The Heckler posted:

Oh man I get what you are thinking but can you imagine having to face SF with Rodgers having a huge chip on his shoulder?  No thanks.

You mean, the same chip he held against the 9ers for failing to draft him? YUMMY!

@Tschmack posted:

Is he going to broadcast the decision ala LeBron?  

Take his talents to Denver?  As much of a trainwreck that was back in 2010 this w/12 might be a lot more entertaining!  Make it happen!

He will take center stage if he stays….

@Tschmack posted:

Lance does nothing for us and he’s as much of a project as Jordan Love.  

It is called a rebuild.

Here is the cryptic thing that makes me think he'll stay in Green Bay:

He loves Nathaniel Hackett "like a brother" ......that can't be good. He doesn't speak to his brother. Or has that changed since his colonoscopy cleansings have brought about nirvannaesque illumination and gratitude?

I know what a certain politician... who am I kidding, all politicians... would say about the Love pick  if they were Gute: "12 is the greatest of all time, but he had lost his edge, I knew bringing in a first round QB would light a fire under him and he would win back to back MVPs"

I wish the next thing he would say is: "This didn't help us in the playoffs, but it is going to help us  capitalize on getting a boatload of picks that hopefully I won't screw up"

Honestly I think he is going to Denver. If he doesn't I am going to be very  disappointed.

bring the team back together and go far it again. Hopefully they get the special teams to be good and the defense keeps improving. No reason they cant be in the mix to win the whole thing next year. Best hope is to have #12 behind center for that to happen. Without him even with 10 draft choices in the 1st two rounds the team would be looking at six wins. Come on Gutey. Sign him to a seven year extension.Let him retire a Packer....

@Johnson posted:

Here is the cryptic thing that makes me think he'll stay in Green Bay:

He loves Nathaniel Hackett "like a brother" ......that can't be good. He doesn't speak to his brother. Or has that changed since his colonoscopy cleansings have brought about nirvannaesque illumination and gratitude?

I know what a certain politician... who am I kidding, all politicians... would say about the Love pick  if they were Gute: "12 is the greatest of all time, but he had lost his edge, I knew bringing in a first round QB would light a fire under him and he would win back to back MVPs"

I wish the next thing he would say is: "This didn't help us in the playoffs, but it is going to help us  capitalize on getting a boatload of picks that hopefully I won't screw up"

Honestly I think he is going to Denver. If he doesn't I am going to be very  disappointed.

Something I've seen on Denver is speculation that he's trying to win Woodley back (or is already back with her) and she wants him to go to Colorado.

I just want them to trade him and be done with the circus.

For the record, I also believe the Love pick was a screw up. Not necessarily taking him (a team with a 37 year old QB needs to have a competent backup that gives you a chance when the starter is dinged up). As others have said, it was the organization trading up to get him and then high-fiving each other on live TV like a bunch of drunk frat boys.

I think MLF will be gone in 2-3 years. When your head coach allows a problem like special teams to fester without doing anything about it (and admitting to Buck/Aikman that he was just hoping it wouldn't lose a playoff game), that's about a colossal of failure in leadership as you can get. He's a guy who is probably best as an offensive coordinator where he doesn't have to make the tough decisions that a head coach has to make.

I’m sure Gutey and the boys are doing all they can to keep him in GB.  There is a limit tho.

A big part of my  desire to see Aaron playing elsewhere is...I can't stand him. This is certainly a personal problem of mine and I have cheered for the Packers when they have had players that I couldn't stand. I'll continue to do this.

but=

One of the obvious non-personal things to bear in mind: old guys get hurt. Yes the rules  protect QBs to an extreme level-a good thing-and yes Aaron doesn't run wildly out of the pocket (see also Jan 24, 2021 contest at the 2:10 mark of the final quarter) but he does hold on to the ball. I've always admired this about him. Sacks are better than interceptions. He is tough and plays with pain.

But his time is coming. I can't imagine this older, swami version of Aaron making it through the next 17 game season or future seasons. Brady is an anomaly.

father time is undefeated.

@Goalline posted:

So stupid to even try.

If AR is leaving, there may not be a choice but to let him go.  Which is fine.  If AR's staying, then it makes sense to try.

Rich Eisen says he heard many times at the combine that the reason GB is doing everything they can to bring AR back is because they saw after the the KC game that Love ain't it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWVC4EXE814

Talking heads will talk I guess.

@4 Favre posted:

Well I mean if Sources say. I got to trust Sources. When have Sources been wrong about something? You got Sources and you post to Twitter, you're trustworthy af.

Regardless of sources, I believe AR said he'd have an answer before 3/8 so the Packers can know what to do with a tag.  That would be the unselfish thing to do.  Unless he's already revealed what his choice is to the Packers, we don't know.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Something I've seen on Denver is speculation that he's trying to win Woodley back (or is already back with her) and she wants him to go to Colorado.

I just want them to trade him and be done with the circus.

For the record, I also believe the Love pick was a screw up. Not necessarily taking him (a team with a 37 year old QB needs to have a competent backup that gives you a chance when the starter is dinged up). As others have said, it was the organization trading up to get him and then high-fiving each other on live TV like a bunch of drunk frat boys.

I think MLF will be gone in 2-3 years. When your head coach allows a problem like special teams to fester without doing anything about it (and admitting to Buck/Aikman that he was just hoping it wouldn't lose a playoff game), that's about a colossal of failure in leadership as you can get. He's a guy who is probably best as an offensive coordinator where he doesn't have to make the tough decisions that a head coach has to make.

I think he will be as well. He couldn't have possibly handled the Special Teams situation more poorly than he did. Complete incompetence. Rodgers regular season mastery is covering a lot of warts in my opinion.

So far, Andrew Brandt has been pretty damn accurate about the whole Rodgers ordeal going back to almost 2 years ago.  

Just recently he said if Rodgers was returning to GB why wait this long to announce it?  

Also interesting that Rodgers and Love have the same agent.  And that dude helped get Carson Palmer traded when it didn’t seem possible.  

He’s gone

@Goldie posted:

I’ll be fine if he does come back but honestly I think he’s pissed off a lot of Packers fans.  I can’t imagine he will want to deal with that in GB.  

and he IS the most hated player in the NFL.  

Aaron Rodgers wins MVPs. He sets records. He sells insurance.

He’s also hated.

A semi-scientific Twitter study conducted by BetOnline showed that the Green Bay Packers’ star quarterback is the most hated person associated with the NFL.

This conclusion was derived after more than a million tweets were analyzed by keyword association. Negative phrases such as “I hate Aaron Rodgers,” “Antonio Brown sucks,” “F**ck Roger Goodell,” “Cam Newton is horrible,” and so on were included in a study conducted in December. (January and February were not included so the findings wouldn't be swayed by the playoff participants.)

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...-hated-person-in-nfl

Some good t-shirt material there.

@Harry Manback posted:

If AR is leaving, there may not be a choice but to let him go.  Which is fine.  If AR's staying, then it makes sense to try.

Tag and trade. Need to get picks for him.

@packerboi posted:

And here is the other thing. If Love isn't the dude, then fine. He's not the dude. Take these multiple #1 picks you have (if a trade happens) , package them up if need be, and go get a top 10 QB pick.

This organization is acting like they are tied to Jordan forever.

They aren't. At all.

And next year's supposed to be a much better year for QB's.

@Tschmack posted:

If it’s Denver, they have the 9th overall pick, 40th overall pick, and 64th overall pick.   The 64th pick was from LA for Von Miller.  

In any event, the value of those picks will be 2022, not next year as you assume Rodgers and the Broncos will have a decent 2022 season.

So if I’m GB, I don’t care about the 2023 Denver 1st rounder.   I’d rather get that 64th pick this year instead.  The 40th overall pick is like having another 1st rounder and the 9th overall pick is worth a lot.

So I’d ask Denver for their 1 this year, both 2s this year, and a 2 next year along with one of their younger players, preferably a WR.

I’m also all for playing Love because if he stinks, the team most likely will be picking early part of the 2023 draft anyway.   You use those 2022 Denver picks and GB picks in 2023 and they could reload very quickly.

Love stinks.

@The Heckler posted:

Oh man I get what you are thinking but can you imagine having to face SF with Rodgers having a huge chip on his shoulder?  No thanks.

In the post season, I'd be fine with it.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Something I've seen on Denver is speculation that he's trying to win Woodley back (or is already back with her) and she wants him to go to Colorado.

was the source the same magazine my wife reads at the checkout at the grocery store?

This is stupid if true.

Thought to be torn on a decision to stay in Green Bay, Rodgers has now received an offer Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com reports would reset the quarterback market. Specifics are light, but the price would come in above Patrick Mahomes‘ $45MM-per-year contract. While Rodgers refuted the report he is seeking a $50MM-AAV deal, Fowler’s report of a market-altering extension would seemingly be in line with that previous situational assessment.

https://www.profootballrumors....rd-setting-extension

I just want it to be over….stay or go…..just do it.     

@Floridarob posted:

bring the team back together and go far it again. Hopefully they get the special teams to be good and the defense keeps improving. No reason they cant be in the mix to win the whole thing next year. Best hope is to have #12 behind center for that to happen. Without him even with 10 draft choices in the 1st two rounds the team would be looking at six wins. Come on Gutey. Sign him to a seven year extension.Let him retire a Packer....

I get if FloRob, most of us do.  I personally want to trade him.  He's had his chances - really good chances, especially the last two years.  In all but one season, they've resulted in disappointment.  Not all his fault, of course, but what's the point of paying one guy all that money if it doesn't get you over the hump?  To me, it's the definition of insanity to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Now, the all in crowd makes the point that our best shot at winning a SB this year is with AR under center.  I get that too.  I don't know how much more we could go "all in" this year than we did last year, but hey - one more shot, right?  But if we can't really go all in because of his salary demands, then trade him.

We get to see what Love can do next season, and if Love sucks, it's even better for our draft position in 2023 when there will be more QB's worthy of drafting.  If Love turns out to be good, which I doubt, then it's a win.  Especially when we can build our team with all the ammo from a trade.

Now if he retires, I'll send BK to kill him.

@BrainDed posted:

The Packers stepped out on Rodgers.  Fuck Gute.

Rodgers says he wants to be a Packer for life and play to 40.   Gute promptly moves up in the draft to waste a 1st rounder on Love.  That will go down as one of the stupidest moves in Packer history.

Disagree, but it's complicated as to what led the Packers to draft Love.  It was a mistake, to be sure, and was not handled well by the FO in terms of communication, but I don't think it was stupid.  Gute remedied the situation with Mr. Thin Skin this year, and learned from his mistake.  Now Mr, Thin Skin needs to get over it.

@13X posted:

Tag and trade. Need to get picks for him.

I agree.  At this point, you tag him.  So what if it pisses him and his hippie friend off.  This is business.

Tag and trade sounds good if he agrees to the trade.

You guys really need to get over this trade fantasy.  It's not going to happen.

Why the tag Rodgers talk?  He is under contract for 2022.  Huge cap but there is no  way he can be tagged.   Just traded.   Unless you mean Adams. Or Rodgers in 2023.

@Goldie posted:

I just want it to be over….stay or go…..just do it.    

But, then what would we have to talk about? 😉

While I agree that MLF not doing the right thing (IMHO) concerning Drayton was a blunder, I don't see how that translates into an early exit.
MM wouldn't pull the trigger on Compers for years until (again, JMHO) the triumvirate gave him a "it's either you or him" ultimatum.
And I think the coaching has been good-to-great at every position group, with one glaring exception... But with all the changes that have occurred this off-season, it will be interesting to see if they retain that same level.

@D J posted:

This is stupid if true.

Thought to be torn on a decision to stay in Green Bay, Rodgers has now received an offer Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com reports would reset the quarterback market. Specifics are light, but the price would come in above Patrick Mahomes‘ $45MM-per-year contract. While Rodgers refuted the report he is seeking a $50MM-AAV deal, Fowler’s report of a market-altering extension would seemingly be in line with that previous situational assessment.

https://www.profootballrumors....rd-setting-extension

https://vendettasportsmedia.co...ting-on-leveon-bell/

@MichiganPacker posted:

I just want them to trade him and be done with the circus.

The only reason it's a "circus" is because a bunch of numbskulls get their panties in a wad over it. It generates speculation and clicks, which keeps people talking about the NFL, so the league likes it and the team even benefits.

He's likely back and that decision likely made a while ago with just particulars to work out. The rest is just stirring up conversation.